The text was good, but i stil cant find the play ipdates. looking for it dude.
Anonymous at 1:53 12/9/2004
In Mexico 50% of population is poor, which means that the other 50,000,000 people is not, so it is a big market, is the biggest market in videogames for Latin America, and one of the most important markets for nintendo, and actually the latin american country with less problems of piracy in video games and consoles.
That is why Microsoft is making a big effort to get the market, and also is the only latin american country with Xbox Live service.
i know why they are failing its plan and simple why sales suck they are coming out with shitty games first sega gt sucks fat d**k the controls and every thing then the new type s controller the rumble pak inside you can barely feel it move move then the controls suck fatty then they have no games ever no good games anyway what ever happened to blood and stuff there are few bloody games then the best games ever like ummm gta3 gta3 vice city not on it what the hell is wrong with them no wonder they are failing not to mention the place ment of the buttons on the damn control bill gates doesnt seem to be a damn genuis anymore what ARE THEY DOING
DRDEATH at 18:32 25/7/2002
really? That's not what i have read. SEND THE QUOTE THEN. I have went to the ID software site to look up facts......that's propaganda from teamxbox......
God's Hitman at 2:24 23/7/2002
Oh shut up! it came out of the mouth of the Doom 3 team. team xbox merely sent the message. sheesh...
DRDEATH at 21:10 22/7/2002
I just checked out that site. Like i said, it's a X-BOX site. Of course they will say those things. Morrorwind was scaled down. So of course DOOM3 will be too in order for it to run well.
God's Hitman at 3:16 17/7/2002
check this out guys, Doom 3 on the XBOX with better sound acceleration than that of the PC. also, no decrease in graphical performance than the PC. http://www.teamxbox.com/news.php?id=3572
Anonymous at 16:14 15/7/2002
Bah. Its not reflection of the surrounding images its a reflection of the light. Its not a "ray-trace" its just a special material. When you put a chrome car next to a red car in PG tell me if you can see the red car reflection in the chrome car.
God's Hitman at 0:14 14/7/2002
Speaking of car games and reflective surfaces, check out these gorgeous pics of the best racer coming: Sega GT 2002 exclusive to the XBOX. http://www.teamxbox.com/screenshot.php?sid=7588&gid=145 Check out all the screens! Planned to have more cars than GT3 and GT3 concept conbined, with better graphics and all, this game is gonna be the definite pick for all racing fans!
God's Hitman at 0:2 14/7/2002
oh, and just out of curiousity, how many cars are in GT3 on the PS2? I really want to know, since PG has 29, and they say that GT3 has way more than that.
God's Hitman at 23:56 13/7/2002
plus, you never really explained fake and real reflections did you? I'll describe what was happening in PG: PGR uses a technique known as 'Fresnel' lighting. in simple terms, it determines the amount of reflection on the angle between the surface normal (the direction of the solid side of a front-facing plygon) and the viewer (you). The more head-on you view a surface. the less reflection you will see. to see this effect in action in PGR, open up new colours for ur cars in the Medal Mode, and go for a spin around town in a chrome-based colour. Think that's pretty? wait till you see it at night in the rain...Mind Blowing! Bear in mind the fact that all these effects are done in real-time. that is, its done on the fly, during the game. GT3 could only manage precomputed (fake) reflection. PGR's use of real-time environment reflections is a first in console games, and certainly won't be the last for the XBOX. For a launch title, PGR is an achievement that will stand in anyone's mind with a serious interest in 3D graphics.
God's Hitman at 23:29 13/7/2002
hey, Anonymous, get a name. The reflective surfaces in Project Gotham are all re-done images of the actual thing and pasted back on the surface (or something like that). I know for sure that PG uses real reflections. What u said later doesn't really concern me, since it doesn't really have anything to do with the console wars. talk about games man. We all know who is more superior in terms of graphics. PC ofcpurse (top of the range though).
p00_p00 at 22:32 13/7/2002
U got me all confused now.....
lets move onto the new GBA thread!
Anonymous at 17:54 13/7/2002
Something I forgot to mention as well before is the focus of the human eye. This isn't allowed for with games at the moment, you are basically watching a tv. There is a lot of work being done, and advances being made, with eye tracking and recognition stuff. Basically a camera will watch your eyes and what their focus is on, then change the computer world accoringly. i.e. Try looking through a window. You can focus on the actual window itself or into the distance.
Anonymous at 17:48 13/7/2002
God's Hitman: reflective surfaces are mostly tricks at the moment. A majority are not really reflecting the light in the world around them, they are actually bending their own texture\image making it look like its reflecting. A good example of this is the cars in Project Gothem. They look like they are reflecting but are actually just using this trick. You should play with a 3d program one day, you can really notice the difference between a 'ray trace' (actual reflections) and a 'reflective material' (pretend relections). Reflections such as 'Inside Drive' are a little more real. They are using a 'camera' in the floor and then blending the picture into the floor surface. This is a pretty old trick (remember the mirror in the very first level of quake3?) This method isn't really a reflection, its a camera, so it doesn't allow for light reflections off curved surfaces.
I think that in the comming years when you see 3d worlds that are dynamic, interactive and look real you will realise how stale and static the worlds in the games at the moment are.
God's Hitman at 3:21 13/7/2002
Ofcourse it will make a difference. i'm just saying that the difference won't affect the overall feel all that much. if you compare two screen shots, i'm sure you can point out difference. But during game-play, I really doubt that you'd find that much enhancements with Doom 3. i used to think that Halo looked cool, when i first bought the game, paused every now and then and looked at the waterfalls etc. But after the first-day craze, you just get over the graphics and focus on gameplay (and kicking some sorry ass!!).
God's Hitman at 3:15 13/7/2002
What do you mean reflective surfaces are hardly ever seen? Pretty much all XBOX exclusives right now have them where needed. Even Inside Drive, a sport game that hardly ever uses effects has it. I mean, not many sports games are that interested in these things. I also came up with an assumption. Games like the original Mario on the NES can't improve on graphics, because the type of the game limits the required graphics abillities. If Nintendo made a side-scrolling Mario game now, it won't affect the game at all if it was made using the latest Unreal Warfare engine! Just like games now (FPS etc.), which will reach their graphical limit sometime in the near future. probably even now, minor graphical improvements (such as those seen in Doom 3) won't make it feel that much different to Halo.
p00_p00 at 19:11 12/7/2002
Gr8 stuff
Anonymous at 16:23 12/7/2002
Hopfully you can see my point. I agree graphics are not affecting game play at the moment, but as graphics change gameplay and the way we look at games will as well. You just have to remember its not only about how the world looks in a screenshot, its how it looks and reacts to having us play in it.
Anonymous at 16:23 12/7/2002
3. As graphics cards get more powerful and support more functions, game engines will be able to include more mathematical functions to manipulate 3d space. What this means is developers will be able to use more powerful tools to create 3d game worlds, which for us means more detaild worlds will be created faster. As always increased poly count = increased character realism. Character bodies are looking better and better all the time (DOA3!!), but I think something you will notice over the next few years is the face detail. Humans put a HUGE emphasis on faces and the expressions they contain. As you start to see realistic faces and emotions on the characters in games you will begin to be more involved with them. You will be angry at the "level boss" because of the hate he shows toward you, you will feel said when you watch the pain in the face of one of your team members as he\she takes a fatal hit, you will feel the extra satisfaction of a well planed attack as you see the surprise on your enemies face as you jump out of a shadow with guns blazing.
Anonymous at 16:23 12/7/2002
2. Models in 3d games now aren't "real" 3d. They are just frames with skins on them. As hardware gets faster you will see more "true" 3d models that are actually made up of thousands and thousands of smaller parts in true 3d space. This will allow true world interaction. If you shoot a wall it will put a hole in it. If you step on a land mine it will leave a crater in the ground, if you drive a tank down a street its going to leave some damn big tracks, I'm sure you get the picture.
Anonymous at 16:22 12/7/2002
1. All effects in games are used sparingly. Shadows look to be getting better in the newer engines, but are still a fraction of what is in real life, and reflective surfaces are just about never seen. As hardware gets faster you will see gaming worlds getting written faster with more detail as 3d developers stop worrying about speed issues and start concentrating on the detail.
Anonymous at 16:22 12/7/2002
God's Hitman (about the 3d graphics not detracting from gameplay) I see your point, all real effects are able to be generated now (lighting, shadow, reflections etc etc). My point though, is that even though we have these effects now, 3d games are still only just scraping the surface of reality. I'll give you a few examples:
p00_p00 at 18:11 10/7/2002
every1 check out that cosnole war movie that i posted..... u should check it out... very funny!
God's Hitman at 4:47 10/7/2002
AHHHH, Brute Force. Jesus, shoot me will yah? www.teamxbox.com has some nice pics. just go to their preview section. i know it is not Doom 3, but it doesn't look like it is trying to aim for that degree of realism. it is going for a CG movie kind of feel, like Final Fantasy: the spirits within. the concept is cool though. Squad-based blood fest! BRING IT ON!!!
God's Hitman at 4:27 10/7/2002
What's BF? And also, Halo 2 will not be ported over to the PC soon enough. If it will be ported over to the PC at all, it will be sometime into 2004, since Halo 1 for PC will arrive at about this time next year, and Halo 2 for XBOX is going to be released next Christmas. he he...
p00_p00 at 6:55 9/7/2002
kool! In fact Nfire sed they are a bunch of fanboys in their forums..... but i wanna c what BF is like... so much hype and i havnt seena screen!
God's Hitman at 4:38 9/7/2002
You know what? just go to www.teamxbox.com and soak up all the XBOX news and pics. seriously, they are cool. Be sure to check out their previews, Brute Force is shaping up pretty nicely. i love gaming.
p00_p00 at 4:37 9/7/2002
whoolllyyy mooollley!!!! Sweet ass graphs.... their FMVs though aint they?
Makes me wanna buy a X Box...... but hey itd b ported 2 PC soon enugh! :)
p00_p00 at 4:32 9/7/2002
Nooo!
there are many GC games that are shared by X Box and PS2. But yes, many of GC's exclusives are terrible..... but as are Ps2 and XBox.
U sure u see mre X Box games??? My Eb has roughly the same, as i say +/- 2 or 3
God's Hitman at 4:18 9/7/2002
hey, check this out! Official update for Halo 2! These screens looks mighty sweet! If you say they look no different to Halo original, i'm gonna figure a way to bomb ur computer through this forum (not likely)... http://www.teamxbox.com/news.php?id=3528
the developer believes that they are going to squeeze every bit of power out of the XBOX hardware. i doubt it, but happy dreaming eh?
God's Hitman at 3:59 9/7/2002
For the PC freaks out there, consoles can configer their resolutions on a HDTV. The XBOX can go up to 1920*1080. The GC appears to have more exclusives because of so many Mario variants. its not bad, i'm just trying to point out that not all Nintendo excluisves are smash-hit-original-must-haves. as for PS2 exclusives, they just don't appeal to me. when i go to my local game store, i see plenty more games for the XBOX than the GC, and apart from a select few (Spiderman, Burnout etc.) most are not appearing on the GC.
p00_p00 at 0:45 9/7/2002
Heres the site
http://www.discomedia.com/consolewars/
p00_p00 at 0:44 9/7/2002
Ok!!!! This is really funny!!! U have 2 go and see it!!! Watch the first one and dont worry bout the annoying goanna.... its worth it!!!
Its just a satire on the console wars!
p00_p00 at 23:46 8/7/2002
Whats RTCW?
Also is Hitman 2 out yeat? Is it on X Box and GC as well? (seen the PS2 version which is comin soon)
DRDEATH at 12:5 8/7/2002
Bart also, i am running a 1 gig sytem with a 128DDR radeon 8500, 512 megs of DDR and i figure i will have to change my motherboard and chip to at least a 1.5 gig chip to run DOOM3 well. But i have said this in a few posts down, that when you decide to upgrade your PC in the near future, upgrade it to run DOOM3 in high res with all the effects on. This way, your system should be good for years to come before another serious upgrade. i hope this helps.
DRDEATH at 11:56 8/7/2002
And games will look better as hardware becomes more advanced. And you will see this soon. With the new graphic cards (9700 or the NV30) Programmers can add many more polygons for character models and enviroments without taking hits in performance and frame rate speeds. With direct x9 coming out in the new year and these cards taking advantage of it. DOOM3 will not be the only game that will start to look more 'real' in 2003...
DRDEATH at 11:42 8/7/2002
However, the X-BOX must release good exclusives games. This is their only problem. Great potential, too many ports. But since i am a PC gaming fan, the ports for the X-BOX are good ones. However, again, console owners don't like PC ports.....
DRDEATH at 11:29 8/7/2002
God's Hitman, I have played both RTCW and Halo. Trust me, when you put on all the eye candy on and pump up the resolution to 1600 x 1200...something consoles cannot do. And turn fsaa and antriscopic filtering and true-form on...It looks better then Halo. The one thing that seperates the two games apart are the textures in the games. RTCW has sharper textures. More detail. And it's not just me saying that. Look at the reviews. Hey Bart, good to hear from you. My man Sloose said it all for me regarding the nessacary hardware in which to run DOOM3 properly. The g-force4mx line does not have the vertex shaders to run it well. I can't wait until DOOM3 comes out. It will put to rest this chatter that this game looks and plays like the rest of the fps. The DOOM3 engine is more advanced then the Unreal 2 engine. Yes and it's true that the chip in the X-BOX has great potential and it has not been tapped yet. It supports vertex and pixel shaders too. So the games will look better once programmers start taking full advantage of the gpu power...
p00_p00 at 6:17 8/7/2002
just rmebere i always sed graphics on X box were the best. I also say that the Xbox has the brightest future in terms of capabilities with the HD and GeForce 3/4
But u need 2 make more exclusives... i went in2 EB 2day in the first time in like.... ages! And i saw like 3 boxes that sed ONLY ON X BOX. Most of these games can be found on GC and PS2 as well. But i know there are some exlcusives comin but dont count them b4 theyre hatched.... as i already know of 3or 4 so called exclusives alredy being made 4 GC and/or PS2 at the same time.... since sales on X box arnt too hot yet.... however u may argue that these arnt the gr8 games, which they aint. BUT many games are X Box exclusive cause only X box can run it. Like D3. If GC had the same power and cab as XB, then doom 3 would definitely be on it since Doom 1 and 2 are out on GBA, and ID is 3rd party...
God's Hitman at 4:13 8/7/2002
and also, many ppl seem to like to compare Halo to new games like Doom 3 and say how much better evrything looks than Halo. just think about it, when is games like Doom 3 coming out? When is Metroid Prime coming out? Just because the hardware is the same, doesn't mean the developers can't improve on it. nVidia had claimed that the best looking games on the XBOX right now hasn't even used a quarter of the potential of the XBOX graphics card and other hardware that helps the graphics. So until graphics stops advancing on the XBOX, don't try to sound like you've already won the war. anyway, why are we talking about graphics? When the consoles was first announced, most GC and PS2 owners didn't want to talk about it because they thought they would loose. now a few sites had tried to redefine the laws of physics, and GC owners really believes they have a chance! i'm not saying they're bad. I'm sure in the next few years, GC and XBOX's graphics/physics etc. would be neck to neck. just XBOX would last longer in the long run.
God's Hitman at 4:2 8/7/2002
when Doom original came out, everyone knew that graphics could improve. back then, they couldn't see the difference between a computer generated c**k from a sausage! Now, everyone knows that graphics would improve, simply because they know that graphics never stop advancing. Thats all. When you think about it, we have most of the effects in the real-world already. Shadows, dents in the wall, reflections etc. Most have already been recreated in games. now, these technics could improve (more realistic), but unless something really new comes out (like holograms), you won't feel that much different. compare Unreal 2 to Doom 3. After sitting around the two screenshots of similar environments, u can probably pick out some differences. but come on, during gameplay, this would be hardly recognisable.
God's Hitman at 2:21 8/7/2002
I don't know what that anonymous guy was trying to point out with point 1. maybe it was because i said the PS2 was not THAT far off from the modern world? i probably was on drugs! Graphics will definitely keep on improving, although since i am so narrow-minded, i can't imagine anything looking better tham photo-realsim. after that, probably virtual reality or 3D graphics (holograms and shit) will roll in. but like i said, the graphics for Doom 3 (PC version) and Halo (XBOX) is already enough to back up the gameplay. further enhancements are just luxury. nothing else. not required to improve gameplay. wanted to improve eye-candy.
Anonymous at 23:17 7/7/2002
God's Hitman: you must have been on some pretty hard core drugs when you wrote that shit below. For a usually intelligent commentator of the console market you said some pretty narrow minded stuff. 1. PS2 looks shit compared to XBX and GC. For a real comparision look at some of the first generation games on PS2. The jump might not be as dramatic as say, a ps1 to ps2, but it is definately there. 2. Graphics will NEVER stop improving. I've always said that they will probably stop when they are so realistic that you can't tell real-world from a game, but they will probably keep improving even after that.
bart, straight from the mouth of John Carmack on the subject of Doom 3 -
"I still think that overall, the GeForce 4 Ti is the best card you can buy. It has high speed and excellent driver quality.
Based on the feature set, the Radeon 8500 should be a faster card for Doom than the GF4, because it can do the seven texture accesses that I need in a single pass, while it takes two or three passes (depending on details) on the GF4. However, in practice, the GF4 consistently runs faster due to a highly efficient implementation. For programmers, the 8500 has a much nicer fragment path than the GF4, with more general features and increased precision, but the driver quality is still quite a ways from Nvidia's, so I would be a little hesitant to use it as a primary research platform.
The GF4-MX is a very fast card for existing games, but it is less well suited to Doom, due to the lower texture unit count and the lack of vertex shaders.
On a slow CPU with all features enabled, the GF3 will be faster than the GF4-MX, because it offloads some work. On systems with CPU power to burn, the GF4 may still be faster.
The 128 bit DDR GF2 systems will be faster than the Radeon-7500 systems, again due to low level implementation details overshadowing the extra texture unit.
The slowest cards will be the 64 bit and SDR ram GF and Radeon cards, which will really not be fast enough to play the game properly unless you run at 320x240 or so."
God's Hitman at 4:57 7/7/2002
now i admit that RE is good looking. but i don't think you should hang it around ur lips as if that is the benchmark for games. Unless nintendo releases a game with graphics that can compare to RE real-time, that is when you can brag. RE is great looking, but pre-rendered games tend to feel dull and dead when playing. screens may look good, but wait till u play it. No scenery interactions (they may add some, but it will look distinctly different), and plain worlds. Look at the Final Fantasy games for example on the PSone. Great games. looks good. but lacking in depth (graphics'physics wise).
God's Hitman at 4:52 7/7/2002
i know that i will be doing everything that i am against by saying this, and probably be banned from the site by myself, but come to think of it, the PS2 isn't THAT far off from current graphics right? Jesus, i can't believe i just said that! They may lack some effects and FPS is below good and polys are bad, but their Polys would have been enough if they had more effects. its the effects that matters. Think of Jurrasic Park 1. MGS 2 on the PS2 still looks good, just not as good. but if you never compared the graphics to high-end PCs, the graphics is enough to fulfill gameplay. We are already at a point where realism is at our fingertips. what more do you need?
God's Hitman at 4:44 7/7/2002
DRDEATH, are u trying to say to me that Halo does not look as good as RTCW? Christ! i've played RTCW on my friend's PC (GF4 ti4600, AMD 2000+, 512 DDR RAM-best gaming machine normal money can buy) and trust me, Halo looks better! Zoom in with a sniper on a rock when ur right next to it, or 5000 yards away and look at the surface. I can't believe ppl needs me to convince them on this. really, to me, even though Unreal Championship will have better graphics than Halo, i still believe firmly that gaming has reached a level where developers are just improving on the level right now. they can hardly make a real step up now since graphics/physics in games currently is already enough to support the gameplay. When you had Quake 1 enemies running towards you in under 25 FPS and the surroundings looked like what you landed in the toilet does not really help gameplay. With graphics like Halo, gameplay can already have the potential to be at its best. Compare Doom 3 to Unreal 2. When your actually playing the game, i think that you will hardly notice the difference.
p00_p00 at 23:3 6/7/2002
yeah thx Hes been an ass 4 a while.... dosnt know what hes talkin about cause hes a PS2 fanboy
bart at 15:2 6/7/2002
oh and pOO_pOO, check out my post on the 1st XB linux app forum. I just told off some bastard named frobird ferya.
bart at 14:59 6/7/2002
hey Dr. Death, it has been a little while since I have seen you in these forums. still fighting to the death for the supremecy of PC. well done! I have a question. I just bought a Geforce 4 MX 420. I know, the ti 4600 is a better bet, but I argue for the sake of what I argued with you about before on the controller forum. money. I'm broke. do you think that Doom 3 will run well enough with that chipset, a P3 733 Mhz and 256 SD ram? D3 is a game that is only deserving of PC and belongs to a keyboard, not a controller.
DRDEATH at 14:2 6/7/2002
Also, if the developers for DUESX 2 want to take advantage of the new generation cards...Radeon 9700, or the NV30, then they can put more detail in each character model and more textures in there enviroment without losing major frame rates. And these cards can run fsaa and antriscopic filtering at high res...1280 or better without taking a hit in performance. And these cards support AGP x8 for greater bandwidth. Game designers are looking at this in zeal. So when DUESX 2 is released it will be up to them if they want to take advantage of this new technology. Because, DOOM3 and somewhat of Unreal2 is. If they don't, i can't see it looking better then DOOM3 to be honest....
DRDEATH at 13:49 6/7/2002
All i can say is this, when DOOM3 is released in 2003, you will see what everyone in the gaming indusrty ia ranting about. And every game developer and their grandmother in the near future will release their games using this game engine. And the detail and textures in DOOM3 are more advanced then even Return to Castle Wolf. And the textures in that game were more detailed then Halo...and that was using the Quake3 engine. DOOM3 wil have full directx 8.1 support. Halo2 will look sweet that's for sure, however, BUNGIE can't pile on the extra polys and textures in the way the DOOM3 engine can and expect the game to run at 60 frames a second or better. Any game designer can make each character model with a sick amount of polygons and textures,including the enviroment in which to play the game, however, that system format better have the cahonas to run it. And ID software has said this game is targeted towards high end pc's if you want the full gaming, eye pleasing frame pushing, gaming experience. And DOOM3 IS REAL-TIME.
DRDEATH at 13:34 6/7/2002
God's Hitman, maybe your talking about the X-BOX version of DOOM3. The visuals in that game will surpass anything currently out. Far more so than DUESX2 and that will be a saweet game for the X-BOX and PC...In order to run DOOM3 the graphic chip will have to render at least 16 textures per pass. And the DOOM3 engine even though it will be set in a erie type setting can support more colours and real time shadows than any game out now or in the near future...even more so then Unreal2. And i say real time shadow effects. Read interviews from ID software and other pc game sites. And let's not forget, the game is not even close to completion! Those are just teaser shots and clips in REAL TIME. This games set the standard for using maximum vertex and pixel shaders in a game. No other game does that right now. This is why this game takes so much muscle to run. Which also means you can apply a large amount of polys and not take a great hit in performance with the next generation graphic cards that are designed to run DOOM3......
p00_p00 at 5:3 6/7/2002
I will still argue that RE has awesome graphics, pre rendered or not. And im not quite sure bout the damaging of environmments, i heard u can but i aint sure on it.
I though Doom3 graphics are now Real world now... thats what MG said or IGn sed
Yeah those pics are pretty swell but i think RL beats it hands down, COMEON look AT THE HOTH LEVELS! THe space ones are sometimes a bit bland.... except the nebulas!
God's Hitman at 4:22 6/7/2002
i still don't believe that u can compare Metroid graphics to Halo's. Maybe i'm just saying this because i fear that Metroid will look better, but come to think of it, they are releasing the game a year after Halo. oh well, Halo 2 to the rescue!!! I was thinking, Doom 3 may appear to look good, but think about it, any game, with a decent enough graphics engine (Unreal Warfare, 1942 engine) and shit, would look pretty good in the "dark and eerie" setting don't u think? Doom 3 does have a good engine and shit, but put the game in a Natural world such as Halo, and you won't be as impressed as you are now i'm sure. Halo has more colours than Doom 3 (green grass, blue water and sky) where Doom 3 is set on Mars, and so far, showing no natural life. so don't forget, as good as it may seem, it is the other small details that gives it an appearance boost.
God's Hitman at 4:15 6/7/2002
http://www.teamxbox.com/screenthumbs.php?gid=344
Check that out guys! Quantum Redshift-best looking game i believe right now (at least the most appealing to me, i'm not into gorry stuff like Doom 3). Scroll through all of them, and check out the rain FX!! there is bound to be a game that will make you wet ur pants!!!
God's Hitman at 4:12 6/7/2002
Also, Doom 3 had troubles coping with larger locations with plenty of load times. most footages seen right now, are of small locations. ofcourse, all of this can be dealt with by launch.
Sorry p00_p00, i'm willing to except my mistakes. but shut up about RE already!!! i just spent an hour looking up RE pictures, and to tell you the truth, it didn't look as good as what i thought i would look. plus, i don't know this for a fact, but doesn't pre-rendered worlds mean no real-time scenery interactions? like the ones seen in Max Payne?
God's Hitman at 4:2 6/7/2002
Before i read anyone's comments, i would just like to say (since we're on graphics debate here), that Deus Ex 2 is running off a extensively modified Unreal Warfare engine. Even though both Doom 3 and Deus Ex 2 is not finished, it is already clear that the two game's graphics are on par. for one thing, the detail is spectacular, both displaying highly detailed worlds, and also, lighting effects are supperb. Now that we have both these games on par, it was also heard during this year's E3 that Eidos (publisher of Deus Ex 2) made a statement saying that currently, the XBOX version of Deus Ex 2 is graphically shaping up better than the PC version. now they made sure to note that it was not because they spent more time on the XBOX version, but because a console, any console, is easier to develope for. Now couple this with the power of the XBOX and the wide acknowledged ease of programming for the XBOX, and i think you can do the maths. But then again, it can all change at release...
p00_p00 at 16:23 5/7/2002
Heres some new screens for the BIG GAMES comin out soon
http://www.nintendofire.com/newsfile/190
http://www.nintendofire.com/newsfile/191
http://www.nintendofire.com/newsfile/192
They are low res but wait till u see em out in real life! Star Fox adventures looks mighty fine! Those Dinos everywhere.... wonder if u can turn the game into Fox Macloud: Dino Killer!!! I prefer the uneccesary violent games like that
p00_p00 at 16:8 5/7/2002
And heres 2 the rest of the ppl i neglected on the post (SORRY GUYS)
Sloose: Thx for the explaination. Also i diodnt know GTA3 had system link??? oR DId u mean GT3 And ur right biout graphics. gameplay make a game, then graphics.
DRDEATH: DAMMIT! I cant afford a new graphics card.... oh well. ill wait for GeForce 12 or somethin b4 i get a GeForce4. M$ wont lose developers until they are beggining 2 not get paid. OR if they see the X Box plug mite be pulled any second. Thats because Game developers dont need a rep tooo much, unlike car manufacturers or Home Appliances (like good ol Sony)
p00_p00 at 16:4 5/7/2002
Yeah i a agree that SWAT 4 or whateva isnt near finish! Look at the character models. IT DOSNT COMPARE WITH RE, EVEN HALO looks better. BUT the environments are lookin good.
And we cant judge Metroid until its finished. I heard the environments are huge and detailed, but u heard differently.... so weill have 2 see cause i rekon Nintendo fans are dyin 2 compare it with Halo.
p00_p00 at 16:1 5/7/2002
Ok lets just say GRAPHICS ARE GRAPHICS! Look at all sites and EVERY SINGLE MAGAZINE THAT RATE RE! That rate graphics a 9+/10!! Who cares if they are pre-rendered. Until another pre rendered game comes out, RE will have nice ass graphics and it dosnt matter if its pre rendered. Honestly how many ppl care if its pre rendered. Looks good = Good graphics. I aint ignorant at the fact that it is pre rendered. I ALWAYS STATE THEY ARE WHEN I USE IT AS AN EG. When u say X Box can have 126 m polys or whateva per second... do they look good? I dont know but the morale is IF IT LOOKS GOOD, WHO CARES IF ITS PRE RENDERED!
p00_p00 at 15:57 5/7/2002
GEEZ HITMAN!!! HERES A RECAP OF WHAT I POSTED!!! It was taken from some1 else. DOUBLECHECK!
Ok i was just goin through some of the old threads and spotted somethin interestin Anonymous at 11:3 30/6/2002 this site has a serious hard on for the xbox, they almost smear nintendo, the GC is actually the most capable machine on paper, with expansion slots, and by far the most efficent system, it REALLY is the best, forget opinion, this is fact. The only thing the xbox has on the cube is Halo, the excellent hard disk and 5.1 sound, thats it! Graphiclly the cube really is better, with 15 million poly/s with 8 effects!!!!! (PS2 6 million 4 effects, Xbox 17 million 4 effects) lack of DVD isn't an issue beacause the xbox and ps2 are bad DVD players!! and for the exact price of an xbox with the dvd up grade or a PS2 with a remote control, u can buy a GC AND a better stand alone DVD player. AS for games, by Xmas, the cube will reign supreme
I personally agree with everythin but the graphics. Evidence proves X box kicks ass with graphics.... but not enugh since Res Evil looks sweet but is pre rendered and DOA3 is a fighting game- the env and fighters is all that is needed, no expansive worlds. Halo graphs can b compared with Metroid and it isnt even polished yet!
There we have it... my original post half a page down. Please note the
Anonymous at 11:3 30/6/2002
As it means some1 else posted it. If u check the "Nintendo Committed to Games" thread uill see it
DRDEATH at 6:20 5/7/2002
pOO, you will need a new video card for sure. g-force4 ti4600 or the radeon 8500 or the next gen ones hitting the market in september by ati( the 9700 ) You will have a problem running DOOM3 with anything less. Unreal2 might be different. But DOOM3 you will need more horses under the hood. This engine will be used in alot of upcoming titles. So this game is your upgrade bench mark. As for waiting for Halo, i can. Unreal2 and Unreal2003 will look and play better. And i don't have to rant about DOOM3......If the X-BOX DOES NOT START SELLING BETTER, THEY WILL LOSE SOME OF THOSE DEVELOPERS.....and that would suck. Because the X-BOX has great potential and the competion for all systems including the pc is good for us gamers. Hey X-BOX owners will get a good version of Ghost Recon....wicked game...and yo will be able to play it online then too....
God's Hitman at 4:25 5/7/2002
GC doesn't rely on anything to help them. Nintendo is a strong company that owns its particular field in gaming. thats why i would want a GC. they specialise in things that can't be bought on other platforms. All other platforms (including the PC) are very widespread. it will fulfill ur gaming needs, just in some areas (for example platformers) it will lack. thats why i think if u want a GC, you need something else to back it up. GC or Nintendo is like the Mac. They make stuff only for themselves. found only on their systems. XBOX is like a high-end PC (in this comparison) and the PS2 is like the mid-low range PCs. now, there are more old games in the world because PC gaming has been around for what? 15 years? but if you want the latest games running at their near-full potentials, get an XBOX. eventually, the XBOX will have more games. quality depends on the developers.
God's Hitman at 4:16 5/7/2002
oh, and by the way, those pics of SWAT are still work in progress. it won't be released for a while yet. The XBOX doesn't need PC ports to live! Even though it is great that many PC games are out for the XBOX (most high quality), we have many console based exclusives. List: Enclave, Yager, Whacked, Steel Battalion, Shining Lore, Phantom Crash, DOA Beach Volleyball (he he), Quantum Redshift, Project Ego, Halo 2, Unreal Championship (quite unlike Unreal Tournament 2003 actualy), Panzer Dragoon Orta, Fellowship of the Ring, True Crime, Shenmue 2 (f**k DC), Mech Assualt, Splinter Cell (originally on XBOX, now ported to the PC, not on other consoles anymore). These are just some games i will be looking out for off the top of my head. If this doesn't make me broke, no PC or PS2 will!
God's Hitman at 4:5 5/7/2002
Metroid Prime may look all shiny and shit, with the nice colourful looking backgrounds, but it is acknowledged that it is not as detailed as Halo. But anyways, it is coming out almost a year after Halo. Oh, and PC gamers, the "official" date right now for ur release of Halo is this time next year. sure u'll have better stuff and more features, but by that time, Halo 2 for the XBOX would be nearly out! Hey hey, lol. I'm pissing everyone off today eh?
God's Hitman at 4:0 5/7/2002
http://www.argonaut.com/swat.asp Check that out for SWAT.
"Graphiclly the cube really is better, with 15 million poly/s with 8 effects!!!!! (PS2 6 million 4 effects, Xbox 17 million 4 effects)" didn't u say that p00_p00? at 4:16 2/7/2002
God's Hitman at 3:56 5/7/2002
Holy f**k. ur still going on about RE. Even if you do mention that it is pre-rendered, you still can't use that to compare graphics you dumb f**k. now i like you and all better than Cubegod and sloose, but this is really getting pathetic. Pre-rendered graphics doesn't even come close to showing-off the full potential of the hardware. Jesus Christ. fine, have it your way. Check out SWAT: Global Strike Team. from some of the screens that i have seen, it nearly looks as good as RE even though its not pre-rendered. it is also XBOX exclusive. Saying how good your hardware is by showing pre-rendered graphics is like MS saying XBOX can have 125M polys per second in game.
System link is where you get a link cable and link up two consoles. So lets say that I got two ps2's, two copies of Gran Turismo 3, two tv's and two controllers. So I can basically link the two consoles and play against a friend using the other console, while we each use a tv.
Umm I guess you guys didn't get the joke with my last post, since most of these recent posts have been purely on graphics I thought I would say ps2 is superior. Oh well.
And I am far from out of breath, it's just as I said, most of these recent posts have been purely on graphics so I don't have much to argue about. Let's just say by the time xbox finally gets around to releasing some quality games, ps2 will have released just as many (if not more) quality games of their own. And I don't know why you guys are debating so much about the graphical capabilities of the gamecube and xbox, both systems have great looking games. At least gamecube doesn't rely on a bunch of pc blockbusters to form its main lineup of games.
p00_p00 at 0:46 5/7/2002
WHAT UPGRADE MY PC?????
Not a chance.... not just 2 play Doom3 or UT. Ill have 2 pass on that 1 untill graph cards are cheaper. Also DRDEATH what would u need 2 run D3 well? I currently have a GeForce 2 (i know, my dad dosnt spend much 2 run games), but i rekon the RAM and AMD are fast enugh
p00_p00 at 0:44 5/7/2002
I never sed that GC has most polys. In fact thats wat some1 else sed on this site. READ! But i did hear they have the same effects.
I still dont know what Sytem Link is.
Of course X Box cant compare with high end pcs. Every1 knows Doom3 is meant for high end PCs. Just look at those bloody screenshots... holy momma. But plz explain normal pcs? I cant tell what PC i have now... bought it a few months ago but i can run everythin currently out smoothly: but i always use 1024 X 768 since i set my desktop to that. Ppl usin 1024 X 1076 or what ever are crazy. I cant see the icons on my desktop
I havnt seen COurtside screens. but they dont look like 64 graphics from what i heard. They may not be heaps good but they aint bad.
Also there are only a few X box games that surpass GC or PS2 games rite now graphically. I think its only DOA3 and proaly Gun Valkyrie. Any others??? Cause Halo has good graphics but it aint spetacular like DOA3. And thats because its a fighting game w/o HUGE environments to explore. And which games are lookin half as good? I can use RE as an example. Who gives a f**k if its pre-rendered. When a M$ pre rendered game comes out.... then u can argue the pt but pre renderin dosnt mean jack shit. Dosnt affect the gameplay in any way possible.
DRDEATH at 8:22 4/7/2002
It's always fun to bump heads with Gods Hitman...(-: pOO its a version of g-force3(close to ti500) and the programmers this time are targeting high en users for DOOM3 and Unreal2. They mention this in their interviews. However, both games are 'scalable' meaning you can turn down the effects if you have a slower sytem and slower video card. My advice to pc owners in the near future is to upgrade your system to run DOOM3 and Unreal2 at full resolution and effects. That way your system should be good for a couple of years before another serious upgrade. I say this because once these games are released, everyone and their Grandmother will be using these engines in their games......
God's Hitman at 22:21 3/7/2002
oops, why did that appear twice...?
God's Hitman at 22:0 3/7/2002
oh, and don't forget, the xbox can't compare to HIGH-END PCs. we're talking 2000-4000 AUS dollars here!!! think of the games that u can buy with that! normal pcs still can't compare to the XBOX. even if GC does have more effects (highly doubted), XBOX GPU can program it into the GPU. we have the superior harware i assure you. the only way for GC to win is great games which i believe they will deliver.
No Name at 21:58 3/7/2002
If by linkable games he means "system link", then PS2 also has unreal and GT3 which have that feature. But in my opinion, the number of "system link" capable games will have nothing to do with the success of PS2 or XBOX (gc dun have sys link), XBOX will win because many other reasons, and I ain't makin another list.
God's Hitman at 21:58 3/7/2002
oh, and don't forget, it can't compare to high-end PCs. we're talking 2000-4000 AUS dollars here!!! even if GC does have more effects (highly doubted), XBOX GPU can program it into the GPU. we have the superior harware i assure you. the only way for GC to win is great games which i believe they will deliver.
God's Hitman at 21:53 3/7/2002
sloose, everyone can see that you have ran out of breath, saw the light and is just holding on to the PS2 because you can't face life. the PS2 only has a large library of games nothing else. sure for a console, thats all that matters, but soon enough, the GC and XBOX will catch up with more and better quality titles. p00_p00, first u said the GC has more polygons, now you say they don't but have more effects. Sounds like stuff from the top of ur head to me... if the GC really had such good graphics and "more effects & polygons" and "easier to develope for" don't you think it's a little weird that most GC games look only half as good as most XBOX games? SW: Rogue Leader is probably the best looking for GC but thats all. has anyone seen the graphics for NBA Courtside? Jesus Christ. its like the N64 game with reflections on the ground. bloody hell, i never knew gaming could suck so much! compare Courtside to Inside Drive by MS and you tell me which is better. If you say Courtside, then you are a freakin nut case.
p00_p00 at 21:48 3/7/2002
DRDEATH i thought X Box had Geforce 4, not 3.
Oh well if its a 3 then thats better for me :)
p00_p00 at 21:46 3/7/2002
Lets not get ignorant: The X box is powerful but EVERYONE knows it had 2 tone down Morrowind and Doom3 will definitely be toned down. U use the example that lower end PCs can run Doom3.... TONED DOWN!!!! Its fact and plz accept it. X BOX CANNOT COMPARE WITH PC POWER IN TERMS OF DOOM 3, UNREAL ETC!
Sloose, ppl have different perspective on which console is best. Mine is GC, Hitman is X Box and DRDEATH likes his good ol PC.
X Box will win wat do u mean linkable games? Also u r a fool if u think X Box has used its capabilities to the max.... if thats wat ur sayyin that means there aint no difference in GC and X Box graphically since GC can match them rite now in terms of graphics. The X Box MIGHT prevail in the future as GC and PS2 become outdated but i admitt, X Box has gr8 potential and is no way near maxxed.
We have effects like Bump mapping, anti alliaising etc. I dont know much bout hardware specs but i know as fact that GC and X box are on par if not exceeding in effects. U just have a lot more polys. Our effects are already combined with polys to make real world polys.... and thats all i know.
God's Hitman at 21:37 3/7/2002
p00_p00, could u pls name all the GC effects? I'll tell you whether they're capable on the XBOX or not. plus, they GPU can easily program it in if it doesn't have it. also, if the GF3 and all the other stuff that the XBOX have can't handle Doom 3 or Unreal 2 as it is, how do u expect normal end PC users to run them? answer me that. did ID and Epic only target high end bastards? i don't think so. Also, pls show me some sites that actually say that XBOX has to tone it down. IGN are d**kheads because many things they say were told to say, they get paid to say things. no bullshit! one more thing, with consoles, developers have the ability to squeeze the most out of the hardware because everyone has the same stuff. with PCs, unless they only target a specific area of users, they need to make sure that even ppl with Celerons and GF2s can run their games. this can prove to be a trip sometimes.
I think after all of those posts we can all come to an agreement that the ps2 is the superior console.
XBOX_WILL_WIN at 14:2 3/7/2002
No offense God's Hitman (I'm on your side and all) but you need to stop writing so much, seriously. I got bored about half way through and just shut down. XBOX WILL PREVAIL!!!!!!!! Mainly because it uses its capabilities to the max. Fro example, PS2 only has two linkable titles (Age of Empires and THPS3) and two more coming (Timesplitters 2 and THPS4). Xbox, on the other hand, has 4 (Halo, MotoGP, Nascar Heat 2002, THPS2x, and THPS3) linkable games and over 5 more by the end of 2002 (Off the top of my head I can think of Unreal Championship, Timesplitters 2, Deathrow, THPS 4, Brute Force, Ghost Recon)
DRDEATH at 9:22 3/7/2002
The X-BOX will have to tone down the graphics for DOOM3. And that is fact not fiction. The graphic engine is too far advanced to run on the X-BOX with all the detail on. And Mororrwind was toned down for the X-BOX version. I have played both versions. And the X-BOX has a g-force 3 type graphic bard not 4. However, and i say this, the X-BOX is the only console capable of running these games even if it's toned down compared to the pc versions! The PS2 and Game-Cube cannot run DOOM3 or Morrorwind or Unreal2. X-BOX can. It won't look as polished, but it will run those games. The other two consoles can't. And why Morrorwind runs at a decent frame rate on the X-BOX verson is because it's toned down in the effects and graphic department. If it were not, it would run as slow as syrup.....
p00_p00 at 4:46 3/7/2002
i got the figures from some1 at this site from an old thread. GC has the least polys BUT it dfoes have the most effects. Hence it only has all it needs and not surplusses especially PS2 who will mever use it.
Morrowind has been toned down. I have seen that from like 5 or so sites like IGN and another 3 mags (read one of PC Powerplays past issues).
When i compared DOom3 and RE i did say it was pre-rendered but who cares. U look at both screens and w/o any knowledege of pre rendering their on par with each other.
Nintendo has PLENTY of 3rd party developers, however they arnt exclusives. Ppl have the misconception that GC has a lack of 3rd party support, but by the end of this Christmas it will have around the same amount of games a X Box.
The Jap market is important in consoles, not PC. PC titles in Japan are mainly RPG's anyway.
God's Hitman at 4:27 3/7/2002
you can not use Resident Evil to compare graphics since the PSone can probably produce the same Pre-Rendered graphics. it is ridiculous do such a thing since it is so easy to do it. Nowadays, with better tech, non-pre-rendered graphics can be just as good. also, the GC has expansion slots because it needs it. Broadband adaptor, modem etc. are built in (not modem) for the XBOX. anyway, when you all shit about the XBOX and how it is like a PC, don't you think expansion slots are more like the PC? and i thought you were proud that ur consoles are not so PC orientated.
God's Hitman at 4:13 3/7/2002
i would like to also mention, with all the hype about how MS lkes to cheat ppl and try to grab money off ppl when ever possible, doesn't the PS2 show that the most with all the add-ons and especially the 4 player add-on? that was the most ridiculous mistake Sony made i think. you have to buy something extra to play multiplayer? pathetic
God's Hitman at 4:0 3/7/2002
also, XBOX doesnt have to tone down Morrowind! it runs better on the XBOX than the PC version with better FPS in particular. and also, i mentioned this earlier but ppl brushed me off because i was right. i don't believe that the Jap market is all that important, at least not as much as what ppl make it out to be. the PC has hardly any Jap titles. yet most are very good. don't you think? plus, the XBOX has the backing of the best of Japan, like Sega and Capcom and Tecmo etc. In fact, i think the only Jap company that makes good games and is not making games for the XBOX is Square. but we can replace their shit with Project Ego, although it would be good to see them making a move.
God's Hitman at 3:34 3/7/2002
and also, i find ur little graphics talk very uninformed. First of all, your figures for the polygons are completely wrong. did you get it from that site i mentioned? or some other misinformed old site? either way, the XBOX is more powerful. The GC may be more efficient, making it more powerful than what it is, it still doesn't match up to the power of the XBOX. efficiency does bring the performance up, but efficiency alone is not enough. also, even if the polygons are slightly more for the GC (highly unlikely), it is the abilities and features that matter, like anti-aliasing and bump-mapping. now at the moment, i think the GC is on par with the XBOX in terms of effects, but in the future, it is the XBOX that will have full advantage of modern tech (future tech in that case...), since the graphics card is programmable. i mentioned earlier that Jurassic Park original had only 80,000 polygons in the t-rex model. it looked so good because of the effects like pixel shading and vertex shading. but in the end, the XBOX still outshines it all in terms of polygon performance and everything else.
God's Hitman at 2:42 3/7/2002
poo poo, you just say that the new consoles need to have stronger 1st party developers because the GC has not that much 3rd party games. 1st party is important to show some of the talents and potentials the console and the guys behind it offer, since they know the harware and stuff back to front, but 3rd party games is just as important if not more since they offer more variety. In-house developed games generaly follow one style (evident in most Nintendo games). if you ask me, i think you probably meant exclusives rather than 1st party...
p00_p00 at 4:16 2/7/2002
Ok i was just goin through some of the old threads and spotted somethin interestin
Anonymous at 11:3 30/6/2002 this site has a serious hard on for the xbox, they almost smear nintendo, the GC is actually the most capable machine on paper, with expansion slots, and by far the most efficent system, it REALLY is the best, forget opinion, this is fact. The only thing the xbox has on the cube is Halo, the excellent hard disk and 5.1 sound, thats it! Graphiclly the cube really is better, with 15 million poly/s with 8 effects!!!!! (PS2 6 million 4 effects, Xbox 17 million 4 effects) lack of DVD isn't an issue beacause the xbox and ps2 are bad DVD players!! and for the exact price of an xbox with the dvd up grade or a PS2 with a remote control, u can buy a GC AND a better stand alone DVD player. AS for games, by Xmas, the cube will reign supreme
I personally agree with everythin but the graphics. Evidence proves X box kicks ass with graphics.... but not enugh since Res Evil looks sweet but is pre rendered and DOA3 is a fighting game- the env and fighters is all that is needed, no expansive worlds. Halo graphs can b compared with Metroid and it isnt even polished yet!
Also it seems ppl arent postin much at these forums now. I quit Nfire postin since its toooo much but this is toooo little.
p00_p00 at 3:24 2/7/2002
Ok heres a few things i forgot 2 answer
1) Yes that Robotech ganme sounds sweet and the cel shading will be cool but Zelda will kill it graphically IMO.
2) JK and Quake 2 were heaps mad and i didnt stop playin online gmaes cause they sucked. Nope cause 56k was gettin slower, games gettin better with better graphics which lagged on the net and my stuborness 2 get broadband until it is the same price as 56k..... and ill still have 2 see about it due to capped DLs. My friend got broadband with 500mb per month and he dosnt play games, DL, heck he hardly uses the net and he racks up 300-400mb per month whiklst payin $AUD 75!!!! I dont play games or DL much but i do surf it occasionlly, bout 150% more than he does (he uses it 4 h/w only). But im just not interestin in online gamin now cause lack of time. heck i dont have time 2 play PC or GC (with most time on PC playin Cossacks... i love that game). The online gamin frontier will need somethin really exceptional 2 pull me back in (I wanna play cossacks online though)
oh and me freind is usin Telstra as well.... hence the 500 cap Hitman if u ask me. Dont know y he dont use Optus but thats capped now as well
p00_p00 at 0:36 2/7/2002
Also God's Hitman itd be interestin 2 see what the X Box can pull off with Doom 3. Just saw some VERY high res shots of it and GOD it loooooks goooooood. The graphics are on par if not exceeding Res Evil, however it aint pre rendered and are real world. If X box had 2 tone down Morrowind, id h8 2 see a comparison between Doom 3 on PC and X Box. BUT X box does have a GeForce 4.........
Itd be interestin 2 see
p00_p00 at 0:33 2/7/2002
Newest sale figures strait from Japan GC is improvin but still im expectin it 2 go even harder with SMS and other killer aps comin out!
PlayStation 2: 75,000 (Annual: 2,266,900) Game Boy Advance: 43,600 (Annual: 1,510,500) GameCube: 17,500 (Annual: 676,400) Wonder Swan Crystal: 8,700 (Annual: 48,600) Xbox: 5,400 (Annual: 228,500) PSOne: 3,400 (Annual: 154,900) Wonder Swan Color: 1,200 (Annual: 99,700) Game Boy Color: 1,100 (Annual: 65,400) Nintendo 64: 75 (Annual: 5,200) Wonder Swan: 75 (Annual: 5,000) Game Boy: 71 (Annual: 4,200) PocketStation: 6(Annual: 1,000)
p00_p00 at 0:31 2/7/2002
WHOA check out this game.... no pics yet but hey sounds cool
http://www.nintendofire.com/newsfile/168
Goin 2 all 3 next gen systems soon! So as i say again, most games made by 3rd party are goin 2 b on all 3 systems, and hence that is y i emphasise X Box and Ps2 to be more First/Second Party oriented if they wanna outshine the GC in the future. Well more so for PS2 since its quickly becomin obsolete, outdated hardware once developers utilise the full power of X Box (and GC to a certain extent), unfortunately (well good 4 me) Ps2 has almost reached full potential!
p00_p00 at 0:27 2/7/2002
Good u picked it up sloose but i thought i betta tell u there r 2 star foxes comin out Star Fox Adventures... Dino Island etc by the one and only and 100% NINTENDO DEDICATED: R A R E W A R E
And StarFox the original -> Much like Lyat Wars, SF 64 etc. Its the space rail shooter mad by.... yeap u guessed it NAMCO!
Also is X Box live out in Aus yet?
God's Hitman at 5:0 1/7/2002
has anyone seen the new Robotech game in motion? its cel-shaded and looks quite amazing! alsomost like the actual cartoon. one thing is for sure, it certainly brought back memories. I own JSRFuture, and to tell you the truths, i'm not all that satisfied with the game. Single player was pretty good, but multiplayer definitely sucks. the graphics i guess was good, but i'm still not used to the whole cartoon look business. it always feels too linear. no depths. if Zelda manages to do it 100% right, then good on them, but to me, its pretty hard to make it work. even the guys who invented cel-shading (sega) didn't manage to capture my full attention.
God's Hitman at 4:54 1/7/2002
oh p00_p00, Quake 2 and what was that? oh yeah JK are very old games. the online frontier is a much different world now. I think that multiplayer will probably not succeed as well as hopd, but XBOX will certainly have the upper-hand. But it is the next generation that will blossom for all consoles. with XBOX live, you just have to pay $49.95 USD for the headphones, a year worth of service, a free game and some other stuff. the only other stuff that you have to pay is the broadband price per week which would be cheaper than PC plans since there will be hardly any download requirements. out here in Aus, we have perhaps the shitest plan of all. 79.95 (aus) a month with 3g limit downloads. its about 305.95 (aus) i think for 10g a month. so its about $96 for 3g. Take that off the original price and you have a free service. now i know that won't happen, and i'm most probably just dreaming here, but don't you think that i am on to something here...or not? :)
God's Hitman at 4:42 1/7/2002
i quite agree with that anonymous guy actually. Everyone should listen to his arguements since he states good facts. Check this site out http://www.teamxbox.com/screenthumbs.php?gid=344 Kick arse pics of Quantum Redshift made by the same guys who brought you the original (and the best) Wipeout.
I like how they listed StarFox as a Namco game... So much for an 'official list'.
p00_p00 at 0:15 1/7/2002
For ppl who 1) Falsely beleive Perfect Dark 0 2) Falsely beleive Nintendo has a small lineup or lack of 3rd party developers
Here are official documents which show the upcoming games in France. There are much more than this but these are the key ones
http://www.nintendofire.com/newsfile/161
p00_p00 at 0:5 1/7/2002
I aint even interested on online play since i have 56k and really aint in2 it too much. Last online game i played was JK or Quake 2 all those years ago!
Eh, maybe I was wrong. I'm not really interested in all this online hype anyways so I probably won't bring it up again.
God's Hitman at 17:54 31/6/2002
I just want to mention that ppl who use modem connections for internet gaming shouldn't even play online since the quality (lag etc) is so crap. If you are going to play online, at least do it right. Really, if you think that Sony's plan is better than XBOX Live, than you are truly f**ked in the head. The service includes more options (friends finding etc.) headset (no with the PS2) and a bunch of other goodies. Oh, the pack also comes with a game in the US. oh, if the PS2 pack includes all that, don't you think the price would be more? we shall see. Anyway, i'll come back tonight to clean up the other crap u left behind.
Anonymous at 2:46 31/6/2002
It's part of their overall strategy to creep into your lounge room over the next 5-10 years. This version of XBX might never make a profit, but it will set them up an excellent platform for the release of XBX2.
Anonymous at 2:43 31/6/2002
Sloose: Hmmmm..... I don't really know if it's worth arguing my point, you seem to posses the intellect of one who would be more impressed by the ability to fart the nationonal anthem then by any intelligent concepts... but anyway, here I go... 1. When you disregarded cross-game XBX live world as not important and just a "pretty interface" I parralled it to calling a PC OS just a "pretty interface" to applications. a) To answer your question, yes that is what is... b) To point out your obvious stupidity, the interface to a product is just as important as its actual content. The fact that Sony has none at all and once again has left the work up to their developers shows their total lack of insight and commitment to their online strategy.
2. Yes. MS has already announced that there will be a fee to use XBX live, they are committed but they are not stupid. Where did you get the information that MS will be paying royalties to developers for their games on XBX live? This is highly unlikely as: a) royalties come from game sales b) unlike the sony online strategy it will cost developers NOTHING to have their games online as MS cover the cost of the XBX live servers
All this is hype? Possibly. We wont know for sure until MS have the thing up and running, but you shouldn't be so cynical of MS's ability to run an excellent on line service just because of sony's pathetically lazy attempt.
3. You've hit the nail on the head without even knowing it!! No, MS will not do any development for other companies, however, the fact that the online infrastructure will be taken care of and all developers will have to do it make their games compatable using well know DirectX API's will cut off huge amounts of development time. Trust me!
4. I actually believe the fact that you could be charged for add-ons, however I doubt they will all come with a price tag.
What you and others have to realize is that MS is willing to take huge loses on this version of XBX. It's par
Umm, doesn't "pretty interface" pretty much sum all that up? What else does a pc do other than provide an "pretty interface" to use applications and play games.
And do you think that playing games on xbox live will be free, ummm no. First MS must charge users for the constant maintenance of the xbox live servers, after that, they'll need to send royalties to each developer for their games featured on xbox live. Do you really think that Microsoft is willing to pay for all of that out of the goodness of their heart. "Cheaper fees or no fees at all on the XBX", what a joke, more like hype made up by MS to get xbox owners excited about the aspect of online play.
And I'm not sure but Microsoft won't be implementing te online portion of the game into the game itself. Its more like developers will simply have to make the game compatible with xbox live so it won't really cut down on the actual development costs. So with either plan, you will still have to pay a similar amount.
I also heard from a study a few weeks ago that extras (mods, the ability to play in tournaments, etc.) will cost you extra if you choose to use them. I wrote about this in a previous post a short while back.
p00_p00 at 22:58 30/6/2002
I think it is a grave miscarriage of justice if any1 says the cel shading in Zelda is disappointed. I was disappointed when they scrapped realistic Zelda but the Cel shading in this one is unsurpassed and kicks ass. I have learnt 2 love it not because of the gameplay but because it dosnt look bad. If Nintendo didnt show the original graphics, there wont be many ppl complaining, but the realistic graphics has made some ppl dispise the New Zelda.
Anonymous at 20:46 30/6/2002
Sloose: 1. Online gaming with a modem is shit. Sure, more ppl might fork out the cash for the ps2 online expansion pack because the support phone modems, and every one of them will be pissed off at how shit slow it is. Supporting modems is just another rip off grab at gamers cash from sony. 2. With XBX game fees will be up to the developers descretion, with PS2 they will HAVE TO charge a fee because they need to pay to keep their servers running. I think you'll see cheaper fees or no fees at all on the XBX. 3. To disregard the entire XBX Live interface as a just a "pretty interface for the games" is ignorant and rude. You may as well disregard a PC OS as a "pretty interface for applications". XBX live will give you a cross-game platform to keep a friends list, see what games they are playing and talk to them, and will also search servers for game modes that you prefer with other players at your own skill level. 4. Developers going through MS to make their games online is a god-send. It takes half of the development work out of making a game online-compatable, which means cheaper development and running costs. 5. My last point, which is actually the most important, is that XBX live will allow you to download extra game content. I see this as almost a bigger bonus then actually playing online!!!! Extra cars, extra characters, extra levels, extra tracks... MODS!!
pay a monthly fee for every game you play online with xbox as that will be up to the developers descretion. So monthly payment plans for either ps2 or xbox will be nearly identical. And I can't fathom how Microsoft can run all the servers needed to run all these games without having to add addition charges. My final point on this subject is that ps2 will support phone modems which welcomes the majority of internet users.
And on the subject of Zelda's graphics, I was a bit dissapointed when I saw the cel-shaded graphics as I was expecting more realism, but I have come to accept the new graphics engine. I think it kinda looks like a 3d version of the original zelda game on the nes.
No Name, I won't ever give in to the xbox because quite frankly, it doesn't have much to offer me. Even if I was given a brand new xbox, I would probably trade it in for a gamecube. In my eyes there are only two games out on the xbox which I am remotely interested in (DOA3 and Halo). I don't want any pc ports mingled into my console games so I don't really care about games like Morrowind, Max Payne, etc, etc. Hell, even my $500 (Canadian) computer can probably run those games better than the xbox. And xbox does need the support of the japanese, stop telling yourself otherwise to make yourself feel better. Why you sold your ps2 right before the next wave of great ps2 games is beyond me.
God's Hitman, I cannot believe you can judge the psOne the way you did, the most successful console in history bar none. Having purchased a psOne one year ago, you probably barely had a glimpse at what the system had to offer. I purchased my playstation back in 98' and alot of the games I played on it were simply amazing. Of course its hardware would seem dated if you purchased it last year.
And Mr. Anonymous, no I have not lost it. Sure sony has taken the laissez faire approach in put the ps2 online, but what makes xbox live so much better. You people keep saying that the ethernet adaptor will fail because history has shown that addon peripherals for a console always fail. Must I remind you that you must pay almost the same price for the xbox live pack. Couldn't you consider xbox live an addon peripheral. Lets compare the xbox live package to the ethernet adaptor package for ps2. With xbox live you get a usb headset and a setup disc. With sony's package you get the network adaptor, the setup disc, and a free copy of twisted metal online. Now what makes xbox live that much better? Just because it has a pretty interface for the games, please... With sony, developers don't have to go through Microsoft to make their game available to play online. And don't think you won't have to p
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Anonymous at 15:56 30/6/2002
Ok my op. At the moment Ps2 is best, now all the crap about it being weak is nonsense because developers will use its power in so many different ways. It is the best because it has a huge libary of AAA games, MGS2 GTA3 etc.
The best of the xbox is here now, Halo etc, but i can't see a future for it, xbox live will probably fail because few ppl have broadband.
Cube's best has yet to come, but boy is it coming, it is as powerful as xbox due to its revolutionary design, and by xmas it will have the best games of the lot. Mario sunshine, turok, metroid prime, resi evil, eternal darkness, and soon after that zelda and resi evil bio hazard. I choose the cube for this reason
Anonymous at 2:51 30/6/2002
2. Yes. The CPU is used for AI. Is it limited by the speed of the CPU?? Very f**king rarly if at all. You would need a shitload of different characters on the screen and a fuking complex world to max out a CPU on AI alone. The CPU does other shit however, mainly rendering geometry for the GPU to fill with textures.
Anonymous at 2:44 30/6/2002
Last 2 points: 1. Anyone that thinks XBX doesn't have any games has totally f**king lost it. I mean, how many fuking kickass games u want? I've been getting a new game a month and there is certainly no fuking lack of good games for me to buy?? A tiny minority buy 20-30 games a year, I don't think its fair to globaly bag a system cause this tiny minority claim they can't find enough games to satisfy their rich little asses.
Anonymous at 2:38 30/6/2002
God's Hitman: That article on GC was fuct. I mean "DPS" more important than 5.1 dolby??? That kids lost his fucing marbles. "DPS" is environmental f**king audio, which, last time I checked, was pretty shithouse unless its comming from 5.1 channels. Avoid the fanboy sites and stick to the AnandTech review.... you know the address.
Don't get your knickers in a knot poo_poo, Im not bagging GC.... Point 2: Kickass (expensive) graphics hardware as seen on xbx would mostly be wasted on GC cause a majority of its best games dont need scorching fill rates or realistic graphics, I mean, look at the zelda pics poo_poo posted.... I could paint a face on my c**k-knob and it would look more realistic-ly human than that, but it doesn't matter cause it ain't supposed to look real, its supposed to look like a nintendo game... which by the way play awesome :o)
Anonymous at 2:28 30/6/2002
Im back kiddies, the voice without a name, call me Mr Anonymous :o) These forums have gone to shit since I've been gone, wtf has happened? Sloose: For f**ks sake kid, you've totally lost it! You "prefer" sony's online service? WTF? I mean, love the ps2 if you must, but a bit of sanity please!! Sony's attempt (or lack of) at an online service is misguided, uncommitted and just plain lazy. I mean, ppl bitch about MS ripping them off but at least they know how to spend some $$$. Putting the burdon of running an online service on each developer is f**king lazy, and the only reason they are doing it is because they know noone is going to buy add-ons for the PS2 to make in online compatable and therefor isn't worth putting time and effort into it.
I'm not saying sony can't setup a decent online service, Im sure they could if they wanted to, but they wont until PS3 cause it aint worth it to them.
God's Hitman at 2:8 30/6/2002
I know when it comes to consoles, its the games that matter (look at all the f**ks whos buying a PS2 :)) but since we're talking anout hardware, check this site out:
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1566&p=13
God's Hitman at 2:4 30/6/2002
Whilst the site that i mentioned said the 1-2 year old truths (he posted the site a while ago), the GC may be more efficient, but that only makes it more powerful than what it seems. It is true that performance wise, the GC is more powerful than what it seems, but that still doesn't pull it up as far as the XBOX. That site said the truth about how the GC is more efficient and shit, but he let the efficiency business go to his head by saying how thats all it needs to beat the XBOX. the GC still needs a fraction more power to really match up to the XBOX. And also, i just wanted to mention that GC's poly count, without all the effects and shit, so the "unreal" world poly count, is somewhere between 60-80 poly/per/second. i can't exactly remember now, but it was higher than the PS2, but still short of the XBOX.
p00_p00 at 23:38 29/6/2002
Good news in Europe
http://www.nintendofire.com/newsfile/140
p00_p00 at 23:37 29/6/2002
To those who sed the graphics of Celda were crap! Chek out dese pics!
http://www.nintendofire.com/newsfile/138
The most advanced and best Cel Shading EVER!
Also heres some pics of Metroid... which is a contender of the Halo crown!
http://www.nintendofire.com/newsfile/137
Have fun
p00_p00 at 23:35 29/6/2002
I can tell y u dont like the site sine it has impartial tone however all of it is facts and the truth.
I seen other sitez like that 2 but this was a bit biased but nethertheless the truth!
p00_p00 at 23:29 29/6/2002
Hahaha u went to the sole source of the problem and severed it. I just adapted
GC has a low poly count but u forgot 2 say HIGH REAL WORLD POLY COUNT: The ones that will ever be used, unlike MS and especially PS2 which have raw polys but most wont be used.
Cubegod at 11:28 29/6/2002
LOL....i dont waste my time giving better examples because i have better things to do...and i cant believe yuo are arguing about system specs and shit,they dont matter at all,havent you noticed that even though the GC has very low polygons and stuff that it can still pump out kick ass graphics??..and yes p00_p00 i did get bashed at Nfire,so i dont really go anymore...i was cubegod16 there.
God's Hitman at 5:19 29/6/2002
oh yeah, and sloose, it does not cost very much to include the built in ethernet. sure it does cost extra, if you put it this way, but it will definitley be more benificial because according to history, peripherals apart from controllers and memory cards don't sell well, and also it is definitely better performance wise to include it built in. Plus, its only a teeny tiny bit more so no complaints mm k?
God's Hitman at 4:4 29/6/2002
i don't particularly like this site but i know p00_p00 will like this site and since i work for God and God wants everyone to be happy, here it is: http://www.geocities.com/gamecube_mapped/gcxboxeditorial.html
Note that i don't really believe what he says, but since i know hardly anything about the GC apart from the figures released by Nintendo, i will not argue.
God's Hitman at 3:58 29/6/2002
what do you mean 4gigs p00_p00? XBOX has 8 gigs. GEEZ!!! Oh and one other thing. if you say "when you look at the software side, its a whole different story." that is true and not true. A year and a bit ago, i bought a PSone (God forbid!) thinking that there are heaps of games and blah blah blah. Boy, a year later, i only have ten of those games because the rest just totally put me off. The limited hardware potentials made the games it self out dated, not just graphics, loading times, FPS etc wise, but also gameplay. i thought (even though many thinks differently), that FF8 was the best games i ever played, and paying $179 (AUS) for the console just for that game was worth it, but no other game just felt worth the money. my point do you see? i still think that the PS2 isn't that far off graphics and shit wise, and that goes for any PC fanboy who likes to bag the XBOX. i just feel left out, if i bought a PS2, because i will be missing out on the bigger worlds and better AI and all those important game elements.
p00_p00 at 0:13 29/6/2002
X box wont die until M$ pulls the plug and looking at this financial year, they should (from a biz perspective)
I wouldnt have sold a PS2 2 get a X Box.... in fact I wouldnt sell a PS2 for a GC cause resale value is a fraction of what I paid.
GC has fastest loading times as of now.... and yes if the HD was utilised it would be as fast and mayb faster but just remember it only has a 4gig HD, which wont hold 2 many installed games, as well as memory blocks!
Dont know much bout CPU... cant comment
Yes that is where M$ is gettin its support from: 3rd party... but it shouldnt rely on it 2 much. They should try 2 produce some games of their own (like AOE1 and 2, even though Ensemble mad it) But dont say X Box exclusive if its a PC port or will b a PC port. U should say its an X Box console exclusive. Anyhow i wonder what Blinx will b like.... will it b able 2 just even tocuh SMS is unknown!
Hey Cubegod dont u get bashed at N Fire with that attitude.. cause i did but hey if u dont.... the day of the fanboy will return... HAHAHAHAHHAHA
No Name at 20:4 28/6/2002
Sloose, your obviously very loyal to Sony. Hey, they make good electronics, but can you really wait to PS3 (2005) to play games with WAY better grafix and sound? I bought an xbox and after that I despised playing PS2 (grafix loading times, you know). Sure it has good games but I just didn't like it anymore so I sold it to buy more xbox games. Today I bought Halo and was playing for hours with awesome grafix, sweetass frames, and boy was I immersed in the DOLBY DIGITAL 5.1. Seriously, give in to xbox... you won't regret it.
And to all the guys that say it'll die, you know it won't (even without japan support). It's doing better all the time and after Christmas it'll have piles of games and even now there is enough to justify the purchase (exclusives and multi-platforms, which are best played on xbox).
As for which console has the most thought out online service it would have to be xbox but I would still have to prefer Sony's (and to a lesser extent Nintendo's). Basically, Sony left the online part up to developers which I think is better for the devlopers in the long run. Sony also offers support for people with phone modems who still make up the great majority of internet users.
And AI is determined by the complexity of the code implemented by the programmer. Now the speed of the CPU can hinder its performance but I haven't really seen any games out yet that utilize such a complex AI. For example, the enemy AI in Metal Gear Solid 2 on the ps2 only utilizes around 30% of the actual processor speed. So if any game out right now on the ps2 shows signs of weak AI then it is not the CPU's fault.
Xbox is still the better deal at $199US if your looking purely at the guts of the machine, but on the software side its a different story.
God's Hitman at 3:35 28/6/2002
oh yeah, i just wanted to mention to sloose that the Ai is determined by the CPU. Faster CPU means better AI. it doesn't use much CPU but it does need fast CPUs.
God's Hitman at 3:9 28/6/2002
when i said they nearly amount to the N64 games, i meant overall. not the amount of M64 games recently in the shops. just today, i went to K-Mart and boy do they have a range of goodies. and this K-Mart we're talking about. Pof central of Super Markets.
God's Hitman at 3:5 28/6/2002
Also, this industry, like many others, is a lot like the stock market. just because the sales are going bad now, does not mean it won't change. you can only say that MS failed, when they pull the plug on the XBOX. until then, there will be too much uncertainties to really declare anything. i truly believe there is nothing special about the PS2. it doesn't have any games that is based on their unique style. that can't be blamed on Sony though since they stepped into the market late and style and character only comes from history like Sega and Nintendo.
God's Hitman at 3:5 28/6/2002
apart from the great exclusives coming towards the XBOX like Mechassualt, Midtown Madness 3, Blinx, Panzer Dragoon Orta, NFL Fever 2003, Project Ego, Unreal Championship, Steel Battalion, Halo 2, Lamborghini and plenty others, it is clear that 3rd party developers have their eyes on the XBOX as well. Many titles, although ports, have more and better features in the XBOX version. Tony Hawk 3 has CD-rip feature and an extra level. Genma Onimusha is a complete (well nearly) revamp of the original. Max Payne has auto-aim option and 2 xtra modes to unlock, Spider-Man The Movie has 2 extra levels featuring Kraven the hunter. these are to just name a few. couple this with the XBOX's better graphics, faster load times (if the developers take advantage of the Hardrive), and better FPSecond plus heaps of other stuff like AI. it is obvious that developers are more keen on the XBOX, now, we just need the general public to see.
God's Hitman at 3:2 28/6/2002
what is it with Cubegod. i have nothing against GC since i reckon its the second best console but Cubegod is a f**k head. Give better arguements for crieing out loud! Munch i do agree is not exactly the console kinda platform game. it is toooo complicated and messy to be enjoyed like a normal platformer. in my opinion, even DOA 2 on the PS2 is better than TTT, but hey, thats because i like to perve... I do agree that Nightfire looks kick ass but there will be others that will beat Halo like Halo 2, or Unreal 2, or Doom 3 (XBOX bound).
Cubegod at 19:5 27/6/2002
now that this forum looks closed i will end it with this last phrase "Xbox licks sweaty nuts"
p00_p00 at 18:39 27/6/2002
How many X Box titles will b out by Chrissy in Aus (I mean absolute confirmed)
GC will have 100+ confirmed. Aint bad but yeah X Box may have roughly the same +/- 5 or so.
Also the new Pokeurmum is comin out in 2003. I h8 Pokemon but damn it was a fine RPG on GB! The GBA will be a gr8 addition for RPGs on the GBA
Anonymous at 18:36 27/6/2002
In ur "Good/Best" games catgories i have 2 disagree with u for some
1) Munch's odeyssee is good but aint anywhere near the Good/Best platforms on a console. I betcha many ppl will agree with me that Mario64 whoops its ass but its all opinion. I thought it was all rite when I played the demo...
2)DOA3 is not the best in its class. I like it alot (with Halo) but there are better ones on PS2 like Teken Tag (which is like 2 years old now) etc
3) Halo is best shooter out for now since it has gr8 depth and gr8 fun. But Bond Nightfire seems to pose a gr8 threat in takin its crown away!
4) Yeah Max Payne kicks ass... i saw the graphics 4 it on X box... really sweet... couldnt tell dif from PC and X Box (But me PC runs it at 1024X768 or somethin) U gotta ask DRDEATH on that!
p00_p00 at 18:32 27/6/2002
Only reason y i want an X box emulator is for Halo which will run better on PC since i LOVE WASD
No i dont think X Box has a large library. Its like the same as GC. What EB u goin 2? Cause the N64 games sold at mine are all 2nd hand and they only have 10!!!! U arnt sayin that X Box only has 10 games in Australia are u???? Oh and the EBs im talkin about are Castle Hill, parra, Carlingford and Winston Hills. They all host an equal amount of games for X Box and GC ( which could vary from +/- 2 or 3) but damn.... X Box does not have a large variety in Aus and neither does GC. But PS2 in Aus does (not compared 2 against the world)
God's Hitman at 17:53 27/6/2002
oh, and also, saying how you can get an emulator for this and an emulator for that is like saying how all you need is a GameBoy emulator and you'd be fine. Come on, now do you see my point? free games, free emulator but GameBoy is for taking around everywhere, not on your desktop. Consoles are designed for the lounge or other carefree environments. for example, the reason why most ppl prefer to play sport games on consoles is because it is almost like watching the actual match. you don't watch Live matches on PC monitor do you?
God's Hitman at 17:37 27/6/2002
That was me down there.
Perhaps its me but when i look through the PS2 games at the shops, only a few look worth their price. Down here in Aus, PS2 games sell between $89.95 to $99.95 and platinum games from $49.95. Now apart from a select few, most look even shorter than Max Payne and as unoriginal as the next Time Crisis. Now the PS2 really has a few jewels, but those jewels are rusty now, with bigger and better ones coming from the horizon soon replacing them (on XBOX). also, look through the GC shelves, and you'd be lucky to find a new game in the last few weeks. p00_p00 knows what i'm talking about. XBOX already has a large library of games nearly matching to N64 in EB.
Anonymous at 17:30 27/6/2002
Squaresoft and Sony have fallen into all the traps ppl though MS would fall into. FF Online already has at least one patch as part of a bid to optimise network code. Worse still, the game WON'T EVEN BOOT UP on certain models of PS2. is it any surprise that the FF sales are low when compared to its former glory? All the problems that skepticists thought of about XBOX is now a reality with the PS2's hardrive, internet service... and none of it has happened to XBOX yet. Mind you, even though XBOX Live isn't officially released yet, they have been under trial in the US for quite some time.
God's Hitman at 17:24 27/6/2002
and as far as good-best of all genres, here's a list:
Halo (FPS), DOA3 (Beat-em-up), Munch's Odysee (platformer), Project Gotham (Racing), Deadly Skies (Flight), Moto GP (bikes), JSRF (?), RalliSport Challenge (Rally), Max Payne (Port-3rd Person), and plenty more. some may not be the best of their range, but they are still shit good games. already, i named at least one game from almost every major genre. now when the ps2 was released, and the GC, did they have this much variety? and apart from Max Payne, all of these were exclusives and made by 1st party developers. couple this with the 3rd party games and you have a good lineup. ppl keep moaning how the XBOX doesn't have enough exclusives, compare the number of XBOX exclusives to the GC's. the GC has good exclusives like Rogue Leader, Super Smash Bros., Pikmin (maybe), Super Mario Sunshine, Eternal Darkness, but hey, thats about it right? for now at least right?
God's Hitman at 17:22 27/6/2002
About emulators, do i have to say this again? damn! i thought us console gamers enjoy games not JUST because of graphics and specs but also we like to play games on consoles over PCs? Sure the PC can have emulators and everything else, but even though you equip them with gamepads, it just aint the same. the saturn wasn't PSX's competition because they were crap, not because PSX was good. it was better, but only because the Saturn sucked with 2 16bit graphic processor stuck together making like a 32 bit graphics card, and also they lacked games that appealed outside the Jap market.
God's Hitman at 17:20 27/6/2002
Sloose, i just want to firstly say that most of what you said was actually quite true and in my 10 or so points, most were just jokes. But one thing is for sure, the XBOX Live service is definitely better than the PS2's. it may give you less choices in terms of adapting to your budget, but the end result will be ensured the best. the built in ethernet is good, maybe more expensive, but hey, the PS2 comes with an out-of-the-box DVD so even if you don't want it as a DVD player, have to pay for it, plus, to get the most out of it, you still have to buy a remote, where the XBOX has to pay extra if you choose to use it as DVD. When MS decided to let the consumer pay for the extra DVD, they did it because not everyone wants to use the XBOX as a dvd player. but if they included the function built in, all the consumers will have to pay for the DVD since the DVD licensing dudes want it or something. MS is doing everyone a favour by letting them choose. In the case of Ethernet built in though, it would be better since Developers don't have to worry about whether some players would be able to run their stuff or not. The player just has to pay for the subscription per year which is understandable. plus, built in ethernets are more stable and can provide the gamer with advanced LAN networks. But the bottom line is, the XBOX is still cheaper than the PS2 isn't it?
p00_p00 at 17:2 27/6/2002
yeah theres gr8 sketipism on a GTA3 game. Neither a official YES or NO has been given but heck those graphics look mighty sweet!
Actually, xbox doesn't have a emulator released yet. A fake one was released a few weeks ago. There is a working emulator for ps2 which can only run a few homebrew demos which is pretty useless in my opinion.
I also saw those screenshots p00_p00 but it isn't a game yet, its just a game engine developed by AGP Games. I think it puts out around 10,000 polygons. Theres a rumor floating around that they would use this new engine for the upcoming Grand Theft Auto 3 game for gameboy but its probably not true.
p00_p00 at 1:13 27/6/2002
WOW look at these pics of a 3D game for GBA!!! Looks like GTA3 (minus the crappy graphics) but hey this is excellent 4 GBA! If it involves wanton killing in a 3D world... i mite just get that GBA!!!
http://www.nintendofire.com/newsfile/120
The graphs are sorta like PSX in some areas (not the human models) but the background and the cars!
p00_p00 at 1:8 27/6/2002
Yes us noobs know nothing about this hahahhhhhhh u r talking about. Must be a new drug?
Anyway back 2 biz. I never bashed X Box in my last post. I merely sed that M$ must b makin an excuse that they want a "new" market. Fine i may have forgot 2 say that MG may be incorrect.... but i didnt bash x box but just statin the facts- HK aint a new market
PS went really well when it was first released since it could play CDs and most ppl were appalled by the inability 2 store much on the N64 median. So dont say PS "struggled" when it first came out. THats just utter bullocks
I see nothing wrong with PS2 and I thought Hitman said he aint goin 2 bash other consoles....
When u say a lot of shit games are out on PS2, u also like 2 describe the 200+ titles X box will have, in which 90% will b crap... (compared to PS2s 99% since M$ is mainly gettin PC Ports but ppl would rather get the PC version since it can b pirated)
Look M$ is lookin bad... thats the facts and lets not deny it. The problem for them is in comparison to Nintendo is that the big names on Nintendo will save it. However only ppl who are interesred in the console wars will know about all the "AMAZING" titles on X Box. Most will see them when it bites them on their ass when their at the shops. However if the PC can run it better... of course theyll get the PC version. Ask any1 which version of GTA3 theyd prefer....
Hitman where u get ur info about X Boxs outselling GC in Japan??? I dont think so. THe last time that happened was like a month and a half ago since N has started 2 advertise SMS. With its release, sales jumped like 10 000.
About Modchips an C. Well PS2 and X box both have modchips and EMULATORS! I havnt got 1 but i know it is easily acessible from Morpehus or some other DL site. Im gettin a freind who has it 2 burn it 4 us and ill c what its like....
if they're not going to use it. 9. Didn't really get your point, but xbox does have a perfect working modchip which will ensure alot of piracy cutting into software sales. Modchips for the ps2 don't work completely and aren't that cost effective.
In conclusion, why go for an xbox with all the doom and gloom hovering over it. Even all the articles on this website only forecast bad news for the machine. Especially now with the stock markets going into a slump, I wonder how long Microsoft can afford to keep this going.
God's Hitman, the playstation was always popular right from the beginning. It never had to really struggle to establish itself on the market. You even said yourself that the saturn was never really any competition for the psx. And the xbox doesn't have the best game of every genre, they have one, Halo, and it'll soon be knocked off its pedestal in the coming weeks.
Now on to your list of lies. 1. A userbase of 30+ million ensures developers will migrate towards to ps2 as their console of choice. 2. Ps2 does have a vast library, and the past couple of months have displayed several top notch games with more to come. Hey but I did like that epic struggle in the xbox game Bloodwake... 3. The dvd playback is average, what else could you expect for a machine thats designed to play games as its top priority. Not many people are going to purchase a ps2 to act as a dvd player anyways. 4. Wow, I think a normal human being can afford to wait at most an extra 10 seconds. If you hate load times so much then you should consider buying a gamecube. 5. You skipped 5. 6. You cannot blame a lack of AI on the ps2 processor as it is most likely a shoddy programmers job. 7. Yes the original models of ps2 did have some problems, most notably the 'disc read errors'. But if you were to purchase any newer models then its likely they would never encounter any of these problems. Even if you owned an older ps2 and did a half-assed job of dusting it occassionally then you probably wouldn't get any problems either. 8. The online features of ps2 and gamecube can be easily described as democratic. Unlike the authoritarian xbox live - you MUST buy the online package, you MUST be broadband, you MAY be subject to monthly charges in addition to the initial fee. Sure you'll have to buy a online adapter (which comes with a copy of Twisted Metal Online) for the ps2, but you don't have to buy it if you don't want to play online. Everyone who buys an xbox has to pay for an ethernet adaptor even
Well XWW (I'll abbreviate your name XBOX_WILL_WIN because its a waste of time to type) you sure like to talk about a whole lot of nothing. It's no secret I'm not a fan of the xbox but when ignorant people start whining that the ps2 is inferior to the dreamcast and that xbox is superior because of its hardware and not the games, I have no choice but to respond. Maybe I was too harsh in my last comment saying xbox has no good games. Xbox has a few good games already with a few more coming up. XWW, I suggest you don't take these posts so seriously.
God's Hitman at 3:5 26/6/2002
i like the PS2 because:
1. Userbase (millions of inbred drones have one, and even if the competition proves far better, that fact will not persuade me one bit and i'm content to stick with this rustic technology). 2. Vast library (of flashy, rush-released, short-ish games, most lacking next gen AI or eppic struggles, that of which can be found on a PC or XBOX platform). 3. DVD playback (when there are no decent game titles out i can push aside my expensive stand-alone DVD player for this cheap set-top-box to do the noisy playback). 4. Glutton for pain (just for kicks, my momma ties me to a chair in front of the tv and forces me to view the inordinate loading times). 6. Emotionally attached (i have waited for so long to finally see the Emotionless-Engine pump some much needed raw AI out in to a game). 7. Versatility (if in 2003 my unit succumbs a hideous death, as apparently some PS2s have a short lifespan reminiscent of the replicant/clone plots in the movie Blade Runner or The 6th Day, then the console makes for a good full-metal-jacket body armour alternative. Just strap it to your chest and you will never feel pain again during paintball sessions). 8. Online features (rumour is, apparently 'ping time' for playing pong is minimal on the PS2). 9. advanced technology (apparently its mod chips are more advanced than the competitions). So in closing, i'm sticking with the PS2 in 2003 because i like poo.
God's Hitman at 2:48 26/6/2002
Phew, i was typing all that out and then some d**k f**k tried to ring me and my connection was cut. when i got back, all my stuff was removed. but i pressed the refresh button and for some reason, it all appeared again!
God's Hitman at 2:38 26/6/2002
i just want to clear one thing up for some d**k headed PS2 owners. PS2 has 5.1 surround sound during cinematics not in game. Geez, i would expect that you would know this if you owned the piece of junk. poo poo, the PS did not, i repeat most definitely did not sell well when it first came out in 1995. Alas, it was new! GC and PS2 is selling better because of both the long histories. Geez, are you that thick? plus, when the PS came out, they had no competition, only the Saturn. the 64 came a year after. considering how long Nintendo has been around, i say their sales figure is appalling, way below Sony's. Also, you PS2 people keep on saying how "ofcourse the XBOX has better graphics than the PS2, look at the two year difference" and then go off saying "the XBOX doesn't have as many games as the PS2". Hypocrites, look at the 2 year difference. besides, the XBOX was just out and already the game of the year is on it. plus, apart from RPGs (which take a life time to develope) and platform games, the XBOX pretty much have all the good if not the best of every genre. admit it. and also, plenty more of RPGs will come (Project Ego, SW:KOTOR, Blinx etc.). comepare these games to the PS2 launch. I think that Cubegod can be described with what XBOX_WILL_WIN said about Sloose. The guy hasn't said anything useful and all his arguements does not revolve around facts. i do think he is smart though (don't know why though) just put in more good stuff. Anyways, here is my preference of platforms: XBOX, more XBOX, PC, GC, DC and *cough* PS2 *cough*.
God's Hitman at 22:9 25/6/2002
i've only read a bit on what p00_p00 had to say, so i can only comment on this. HK is indeed not a new market, it is megagames error not MS to call HK a new market. also, they are part of China, not a nation by itself. oh yeah, not that i hate GC, but since p00_p00 is bagging the XBOX, recent figures shows that XBOX has sold better than the GC in Japan recently so there. i'll be back to clean up more shit that you idiots have left behind tonight so stay tuned!
gamer at 16:57 25/6/2002
i reckon its about time it was released in new zealand, with xb2 round the corner, it hasnt even begun
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gamer at 16:56 25/6/2002
i reckon its about time it was released in new zealand, with xb2 round the corner, it hasnt even begun
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Cubegod at 15:53 25/6/2002
Well p00_p00..i agree that if M$ put the Xbox into HK,it will fail..HK is the place where all the illegal copying of games and programs starts..they also seem to dislike M$ and they were proud when they cracked win XP like a day after its releas...so down with M$!
p00_p00 at 1:38 25/6/2002
forgot 2 mention.... HK aint a "new market" 2 tap. Its very old and some of the best shit comes fronm there: IE The SNES, Sega and N64 game burners. However Hong Kong is a PS crazy (and ill assume PS2 crazy) nation now, they get all the shit that comes from East and West and hence i beleive is a hub for almost all the best games in the world. MS is just makin an excuse that theyll tap in2 this "new" market. For them it may b new for many reasons 1) PS/PS2 dominates there and no pt to tap in2 it and just lose sales 2) They havnt tapped in2 it and if they do.... it wont last long. Trust me i been 2 HK and I tried 2 buy some N64 stuff.... it was impossible since the nation LOVES Sony... not just PS but they love the Sony tech and merch as do I. M$ is just goin 2 lose mre money if HK is indeed a "new" market for them since PS2 would have established itself very well there.
As for the other nations i dont know how there market operates!
p00_p00 at 23:36 24/6/2002
HAHAHAH I love GC but i wouldnt worship it like a God.
Cubegod at 23:0 24/6/2002
I think the word Xbox and PS2 should be banned from ever being said in a public place, kinda like fu-ck is...and worshiping any god should be replaced with the word Gamecube....
XBOX_WILL_WIN at 16:52 24/6/2002
So, sloose, we meet again!?! A man that hates an object or idea only speaks his mind when the subject at hand is brought up. A child would express his hate at any given time, but only a soar pathetic loser without a thing in the world to do or any friends to see would be so anxious to describe his hate on every single forum on this site. Sloose, find a life (maybe in Wal-mart), or go to www.ineedfriends.com to mingle with dorks such as yourself! Biotch!!!
Anonymous at 16:28 24/6/2002
Metal Gear Solid 2 had 5.1 support during the cutscenes
No Name at 15:40 24/6/2002
I don't remember 5.1 in Silent Hill, but there are some games like EA NHL 2002 that have 5.1 in gameplay. But since PS2 doesn't have a hardware decoder like xbox, it has to use processing power to make 5.1. Very few games on PS2 have enough power to spare to do that.
Yankee Doodle, isn't it a common misconception that dreamcast was a more powerful machine. I always thought dreamcast had a built in hardware option that toggled anti-aliasing on and off (slightly bluring the images to get rid of jaggies). In a comparison between first-gen ps2 games and dreamcast games released at the same time, ps2 games didn't have that polished look since all anti-aliasing had to be coded into the games and developers were still learning how to utilize the ps2 to its full potential.
And your comment, "BTW, if someone can tell me anything about the PS2 that is better then the xbox, besides the game selection, please do so... ". Ha, I find that funny, without the games a console has nothing, and thats should be a good enough reason why the ps2 is better in all respects. When xbox releases some better games, then come back here and raise the xbox flag.
And doesn't ps2 have 5.1 sound. I'm pretty sure I saw that option in Silent Hill 2.
Lol, i cant believe you lot are slating the PS2! of course the xbox has to/should be better than the PS2. Theres a god dam 2 year age difference between the two consoles! Over here in the UK the PS2 is still outselling the xbox so they must be doing something right, call it brainwashing if you like. I own bothe machines and i still feel the PS2 has a lot more life in it, i have Tekken 4 on Jap import on the PS2 and i can honestly say it has better graphics than DOA3 on Xbox, BUT DOA3 was a first generation game so the next gen games on xbox should be something to shout about! Also if you select the correct option in the PS2 menu you can make the graphics better in most PS1 games! Yeah the PS2 has loads of shit games, but they also have some cracking good ones! Also im not sure but i thought the PS2 could only do 5.1 sound in DVD playback, i stand corrected if im wrong.
p00_p00 at 4:18 24/6/2002
Geez u guyz are fools
1) PS2 is not bad. Its weak but NO THE DC DOES NOT HAVE BETTER GRAPHS!
2) Well what makes a console... not f**king performence but games.
3) M$ is not doing well and that is the truth. I am speaking unbieased but when PS and Nintendo were first released w/o a rep they made a killing.
PimPslaP_09_9 at 2:9 24/6/2002
Yeah the ps2 is horible. I was disapointed in the preformance I saw. I love how they lied to people on how the PS2 makes PS1 grafix better and load faster. What a fuking joke!
Playing resident evel 2(clair) on the PS2(my friends) and RE2(leon) on the original PS, showed no improvement. same screen, just switching between one and the other showed me nothing different.
the game cube sure does suck, oops, thats not what we are talking about...
yankee doodle at 2:3 24/6/2002
you people that suport the PS2's grafix must not know the facts and numbers...
the f**king dreamcast had better grafix then the PS2. Sony stiffed you with a crapy video card.
the only thing that the PS2 has over the XBOX is a wider selection of games.
and yes i hate microsoft, i think they are an evil corporation, but this is something good that they produced.
another thing sony stiffed you with is those f**king shity as memory cards! it sure is great the first time i saved a game on my XBOX, when it showed 50,000+ blocks free. there are memory cards available, for transfering saves, but it isnt required, haha. stupid suporters of sony, i may be brainwashed by microsoft(evil, evil, donkeys and sheep) but it is a million times better then the PS2 (meow im a goat).
BTW, if someone can tell me anything about the PS2 that is better then the xbox, besides the game selection, please do so...
XBOX 4EVA at 1:45 24/6/2002
PS2 Dont have true hardware 5.1 sound, its software or just virtual surrround in most cases. ps2 sux. heck, it cant even do vertex shading!! it pooooooooo
Slickmick at 0:10 24/6/2002
The PS2 has 5.1 sound what drugs are you on mate A console based on Pc hardware running a windows os id doomed to fail
No Name at 15:55 23/6/2002
It's not failing. For a new console with no rep I think 4 million sold is excellent. I bought PS2 the week xbox launched, with no regrets, but now I bought an xbox and I like it more all the time. PS2 hardware is getting outdated, and don't go sayin grafix and everything cause I didn't say that. But when I have a choice between a xbox and PS2 version or similar game, it's a no brainer to get the one with better grafix,5.1 sound, faster loading, and faster saving (hd compared to slow memory card).
Cubegod at 15:14 23/6/2002
LOL...put Xbox in more countrys to see if it will fail..we all know it will!
