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robb at 5:14 7/2/2004
yup it sure does.
Anonymous at 22:13 4/2/2004
SONY ROCKS!
tt at 18:55 4/2/2004
I believe i provided a link that stated the price of the GBA SP launch in 2001 at 129-139 Euros roughly. And 99 Euros for the GBA in another thread.
As for the launch price of the PS2 in North America. I remember the price for it at EB and Future Shop. Hell, i think everyone did. It was BIG news at the time. The system to wreak havoc on the Dreamcast system. It was around $400US. Close to $500CND. That falls inline with Japenese prices give or take.
Like i said before, if the prices are too staggered in different markets, consumers will just buy online or mail order over seas where it's cheaper. It's not a good business practice to create such a diverse seperation in prices amoung different company divisions abroad.
Like Josheo has mentioned, Nintendo is currently the only console company that makes a profit off the hardware alone. (GBA, GBA SP, GameCube)
"I don't know about Europe, but the general attitude of American consumers wouldn't approve of such a high priced handheld."
This is where i agree with you 100% makeral. But i will go one step further. The entire world region of the console buying public wouldn't approve of a high priced hand-held. History time and again has proven this. Hand-helds that have breached the $250+ stratosphere price range have failed. Which brings me to this point. If Sony claims they want to make a profit off the hardware as they claim, they will have to sell this unit for $200+. If they go back on what they say and go under $200, they will in no way make a profit off the hardware. Short of a miracle. Time will tell. It all depends on what Sony finally decides.
And i offer my appoligies makeral. There has been too much flaming on my part towards you. These last few posts have been good and insightful. You make some good points, and it's still fun to argue(without the obsenities...;)
Josheo at 17:37 4/2/2004
"Sony is not reinventing the wheel here, the technology already exists and the facilities to produce that hardware is also there."
what are you trying to say? I dont see how that makes a difference, right now mp3 players are for the most part expensive though I'm not sure how much it costs to produce the UMD. All I know in that department is that Nintendo's disk for the DS will be ultimately really cheap to make. I may have heard something on the UMD but I cant recall.
for the last two posts:
the reason I heard Sony is considering changing their businiess model is because they want developers to share more in the profits. That makes sense because lately developer profit margins have become razor thin. This will also entice more developers to their handheld system. Another point to be made is to look at nintendo. The gamecube is the most innovative piece of console hardware easily. It can make games gorgeous, rivaling (yeah, I know xbox fan boys, but still not equal to) the xbox. But Nintendo makes a profit on every single unit sold. Same with the gba and the SP. And the cube design is solid, its small and compact and works farely well. Most errors on the GC that occured at launch could be fixed by hand at home while most PS2s and XBOXs had to be returned. On top of all of this, Nintendo is still making a crap load of money off of everything, far more then microsoft (considering xbox has always been in the red, thats not much to brag about) and I think their profit marigins are comparable with Sony's, though you shouldn't quote me on that. I may be entirely wrong on the last point, but heck, like I said, they're makin money by the truckload.
so maybe sony is going to get all creative and create unique hardware that only costs roughly 100 USD to make? Possible...but not likely. But still possible.
Josheo at 17:25 4/2/2004
to adress your second post:
It is up to each division to set their own prices, but the gaming market is set up in three main money making points: North America, Europe, and Japan. If hardware sells for more in Australia, no one cares because it doesn't pull in nearly as much revenue as the big three. While thats terrible for the Aussies, thats great for everyone in those three zones. European GBAs and US gbas retailed for roughly the same price, no? $150ish? Yeah, I believe so. It may have been slightly different in Japan but not by much. If you can bring up figures saying that one of the major consoles had a major launch price difference between those three cash cow zones, then I'll believe you on this one. Until then, I see it unlikely that European and US prices will differ by a large margin
Josheo at 17:20 4/2/2004
Bravo makarel! Bravo! And I'm not being sarcastic. You see the amount of points that can be made if your posts dont consist of 75% bashing? You actualy got some real good points out this time without all the bagage. Nice.
Anywhos, now to comment. I completely understand what you're saying, and it makes sense, no doubt. And you should have mentioned that you meant comparable launch price of the gba, you never said that and without that tidbit, you sounded ridiculous. I have some discresions though.
"you can't compare a dvd player to ps2 and you can compare an mp3 player to the psp."
Wait a minute, yes you can. According to your logic in that post, the PS2 should sell for less then most dvd players since it is in fact a dvd player as well. Now I know thats not its main focus in the least, but PSP isn't meant to soley focus on games with the other stuff as bagage, Sony is focusing on every aspect. While the PS2 didn't have "PLAYS DVDS!!!!" in big brass letters on the box, psp will deffinitely advertise its other capabilities extensively. And according to your logic, the PS2 should be cheaper then a dvd player because hey, DVD player manufactuers dont get any money from the DVDs sold, so shouldn't they charge more and the PS2 less? Wont Sony lose money on their mp3 players if they cost more then the PSP which do the exact same thing and more? What about people who just want an mp3 player? I guess they'll go buy an ipod instead, right? Well, I doubt sony wants that. But because DVD players are so much cheaper then a PS2 which does so much more, doesn't it make sense that an mp3 player will be cheaper then the PSP which will do so much more and then some?
Jesus Juice at 9:2 4/2/2004
looks like the fish just PWN'd you two. i'll definitely get a psp for 200
makarel at 0:24 4/2/2004
When I called Chris Deering a dumbass, I wasn't questioning his ability to run a company, but you must agree that giving the impression that the psp would be "comparable in price to the gba" (note: which is not a "bogus" source) to one news reporter, and then giving a different interpretation of the price to another source is not very smart at all. There's still several months before the official unveiling of the machine, so who knows if his opinion on the price of the machine will change for a third time. Like I said, he should just be quiet and not say anything until its official release. I was mistaken when I said a $150 as the low point cost of the machine, since I was going on Chris Deering's original statement, and I thought Deering was a representative for the North American division. I am still confident that psp will retail at $199USD in North America. There is absolutely no reason to change a business model used not only for ps2 and ps1, but also the xbox, gamecube, gameboy advance, etc.
makarel at 0:17 4/2/2004
In term of the hardware capabilities of the psp, it is composed of nothing more than components that have already been implemented in one way or another in other SCE products (with exception of the UMD). Sony is not reinventing the wheel here, the technology already exists and the facilities to produce that hardware is also there. Now I don't know if Sony Computer Entertainment of Europe will stick with their most recent comments and change there business model in Europe. I'm sure they did some sort of feasibility study to see if it was wise to release a handheld at cost and then some. Even if SCEE decided to change their business model, I doubt that it would stay that way too long. And that model wouldn't automatically be implemented in North America and Japan. I don't know about Europe, but the general attitude of American consumers wouldn't approve of such a high priced handheld. The closest price hint the public has recieved for the North American price is the quote from the EA president since he was directly commenting about North American prices. He also shares the general attitude of most western game developers as well.
makarel at 0:10 4/2/2004
It is up to each division to set their own prices. If you think prices are the same globally, you are terribly wrong. You obviously haven't spoken to the poor people of Australia. Also when ps2 launched in Japan back in 2000, it was retailing at the equivalent of $450USD. In the other messageboard, I said a "gba retailed at 50% more in Europe" than it did in the United States, but what I forgot to say was that this was the cost at its 2001 launch. A European gba retailed for about $130 EUROS, which roughly translates to $150USD. If you want sources on those figures, i'm sure I can find them again. Of course since then, the prices in Europe have been cut on all Nintendo products. But the only price that matters in this discussion is that of the initial launch price, all later prices are irelevant since we're making a comparison to the psp launch price. That's a big reason why there are 3 major division of the sony corporation, since each region has to cater to a different economy.
makarel at 0:6 4/2/2004
When setting the price for a mp3 player or a minidisk player, the company needs to take into consideration that it has virtually no other forms of revenue generation for that product. You can't go around charging people everytime they put a song on the machine. Thus, that company will need to set the price on that said product to make a profit on the hardware alone. It's impossible to charge less. All video game consoles and handhelds manufacturers set a price on their machines while taking into consideration how much revenue can be generated from the games and peripherals for that machine sold - both of which are the main money earners for a console. Until of course when the hardware itself becomes cheap enough to produce to make a profit. This is the business of video games, there is no arguing that. The whole point is to try make the console or handheld attractive enough in price so more people can purchase it. With more units sold, naturally the amount of games sold will increase significantly, which increases profits. It's like comparing apples and oranges, you can't compare a dvd player to ps2 and you can compare an mp3 player to the psp.
Anonymous at 14:28 3/2/2004
I totally agree with tt and Josheo. I can't see the PSP selling for less then $200. Not with all those features and the very fact from those links provided that Sony does not want to lose money on the hardware side of things. Like tt has mentioned, a Minidisk system would cost basically the same then if not more and do a hell of alot less. Makes no business sense at all.
tt at 8:40 3/2/2004
Also this. If MINI-DISK players and the PSP are retailed for the same amount of money, why buy a mini-disk playey when the PSP can do so much more?
tt at 8:37 3/2/2004
Forgot to put my name below. Like i said before. At $200 or less, the hardware loses money. And this would contradict what Sony has said about the PSP. This is why everyone is saying that the price will not be the same as what the GBA was when it first came out. $149.99US. Or $200US for that matter. Only way it happens. If Sony changes their statements and decides to lose money off the unit. Look at what the Ngage can do and the price of that unit? More features=more cost to consumers. If Sony wants to make a profit off the unit itself, see this portable at $200+... From Sony's statements on making a profit off the hardware, changing it's business model with the PSP: From the ADVANCED hardware and capabilities of the PSP: From the fact that comapable products(Ngage) cost $200+: From the fact that portables in the past that offered more features then the GameBoy cost $200+(Lynx, Sega's handheld, TurboGraphx16 handheld) From the fact that Sony EXECS themselves state the price will be in the $200US+ range. EA saying a price means little as they are not making the unit: Is the reason why many are stating the price will be above $200US.
That's the link Josheo. Ya, i figured makeral would try to bash on the price. He's just a moron Sony fanboy it seems. The price for a new Sony Mini Disk player with the car kit is $209US-$279.87US(new). Less without the car kit ($187.99US different model)and if you grab one used. I just wanted to make a point of reference. The cost of the MINI-DISK player would be roughly the cost of the PSP(at least in the eyes of makeral.) The PSP can do all the things the MINI-DISK player can PLUS the ability to watch DVD quality MPEG4 coded movies and playing games. Just mention a few of it's capabilities. And with the firm statements fron Sony saying they do not want to take a hit on the hardware this time around and make a profit from it along side the software, commen sense would dictate(which makeral has very little if not none) that the PSP will not retail for the same price as a MINI-DISK player. It will be more. Now Sony can alter it's plans and release the PSP for under $200 and keep with it's business model it used for the PS1, but we all know(expcept dumbass makeral) that at that price point with all those features, Sony will take a hit in hardware.
Anonymous at 7:13 3/2/2004
save your energy kids. don't have to fight... we all know who controls the market. that's obvious, sony.
Anonymous at 7:1 3/2/2004
Let's bash each other! Wee! This is so fun!
Josheo at 4:46 3/2/2004
now mackarel is going to bash you on the cost of the minidisk.
where did you get that price anyway?
Anonymous at 22:58 2/2/2004
shut up people! i think we all agree xbox sucks.
tt at 21:12 2/2/2004
makarel the Sony fanboy. And dumbass. You have no sources. Lame posts. And contradict yourself at every turn. You state a price for the PSP and waiver numerous times. You state by your own logic that the PSP will take a hit on hardware when Sony themselves say otherwise. And this has been confirmed by multiple sources. You call the Head of Sony in the European division a dumbass. So a large corporation that is hugely successful world-wide will hire a dumbass? That's what you're basically telling us. You want all of us to believe you know more then the people running Sony. Wether or not it's the European division or North Americian division. This is the very reason why people insult you. You are posting YOUR thoughts and beliefs, not fact. And then try to pull it off as fact. Your a f**king idiot. We all have sources to back our statements. Josheo and others. What do you show? Sqaut. And as for what you mentioned. $150 IS NOT $200 you f**king retard. And as a point of reference. A Sony Mini Disk player costs over $200+ easy. This unit just plays Mini Disks and has no other capabilities besides Music and sound files. Here comes the PSP. It can play MP3's, WMA's, MEPEG format. DVD quality viewing. Video format and play games. And what you are telling us with no sources that it will cost under $200, when Sony does not want to take a hit on the hardware....you are a dumb prick.
Josheo at 17:33 2/2/2004
"Ultimately it's up to each division to determine the pricing scheme for the machine."
ok, I may be wrong, but...I think you're wrong. I get the impression that you're saying europe might price at $350 while the US will charge around $200 for the PSP. need I say more? Thats screwed thinking, the PSP will have comparable (and I dont mean a $50 difference) prices worldwide...I dont know where u got the idea it would be anything otherwise.
and when did I put down my own source? and only source? i have two for sure, the one at theregister, the one below me that from somewhere else, and theres another one at gamespot somewhere, stating PSP will not take a hit on hardware. Look through your latest one or two issues of PSM or GMR, one of them say the same thing, PSP wont take a hit on hardware. What sources do you have? I've never read anything except whats on megagames and that bogus other source you put up. EA has a lot of leeway on whats going to happen, but I haven't read anything so far that backs up what they say. Normaly you'd see it in mags and messageboards everywhere, but I've gotten nothing new yet.
please, cant you just think a little before your post? now you're just gettin rash. I'm not willing to dispel the notion that perhaps PSP will sell for something low, but I see it as highly unlikely.
"otherwise psp will suffer from the ngage syndrome."
it already does. is it a walkman or a game machine? dont worry, i have more faith in sony then a phone company when it comes to games.
makarel at 15:41 2/2/2004
I too can pull up my original statement, what the hell, I'll pull it up 3 times.
"And the psp will cost no more than $200, possibly at $150 jackasses. I don't pull figures from my ass like the other shits on this messageboard."
"And the psp will cost no more than $200, possibly at $150 jackasses. I don't pull figures from my ass like the other shits on this messageboard."
"And the psp will cost no more than $200, possibly at $150 jackasses. I don't pull figures from my ass like the other shits on this messageboard."
Hopefully your tiny brain can comprehend that I said $200 first. Your object of affection Chris Deering is the one who gave out a "comparable to gba" statement which made me estimate something a little lower.
And yes much like yourself Deering sounds like a dumbass. As head of SCEE, it's pretty f**king stupid to give contradicting price hints to different news sources. He should take a hint from the other SCE divisions and don't say a f**king thing.
Maybe he is right though about the price. But you dumbasses can't figure out that he is only talking about SCEE and not the other two major divisions. Ultimately it's up to each division to determine the pricing scheme for the machine. Each region has a totally different market and economy so that's a big variable when it comes to setting the price.
Go ahead and buy your DS josheo, i'm sure it'll look nice next to your virtual boy and other nintendo bullshit. And I like the fact that you just put down your one and ONLY real source. SCEA IS willing to lose money on hardware, otherwise psp will suffer from the ngage syndrome.
tt at 9:50 2/2/2004
"Too .. much crap .. to read. My original estimate was always $199."
That was never your original statement buddy. I can pull up your original statement:
"And the psp will cost no more than $200, possibly at $150 jackasses. I don't pull figures from my ass like the other shits on this messageboard." makarel at 0:38 22/1/2004
I never knew $150 was $199. You need serious help buddy.
"I don't f**king care what Deering says anymore, he is not the apex of the sony corporation and he sounds like a dumbass."
Deering is a dumbass? Head CEO of Sony division in Europe and he's a dumbass? A person who is in control of a multi-billion dollar division and he's a dumbass? Someone who obviously holds a MBA at some sort of business school to secure a position like that is a dumbass? Just that statement alone proves your 12 years old and stupid. This is how it's spun. Just as Josheo has stated. If what Sony has stated is true(and who are we to say otherwise because they said it from there own mouth) and they want to make money on the hardware along with the software, the PSP will not retail for $199. If it does, Sony will lose money on the unit itself. Then they are not going with their planned business model change from the PS1 and PS2. And why everyone is saying otherwise is the very fact that Sony has said themselves that they are not planning to lose money on the hardware. If they change there plans before launch time, i am sure they will mention that. For now, a Portable at $199 to make a profit off the hardware is not possible. This is also why many people on this forum are flaming you. You're stupid
Josheo at 4:47 2/2/2004
"My original estimate was always $199"
I dont doubt that too much, but you have waivered over and over, going from one price to another. And I believe I said it would retail for around $400, and I still stick to that no matter how much you want to disagree. I like the fact that you just put down your one and ONLY real source. Yeah, when trying to put up an argument, thats probably not a good idea. If Sony is willing to take a hit on hardware, which is likely, then you're right makarel. If they're not this time around, which they've firmly stated they're not, then we're right. Thats all it comes down to. The reason everyone seems to be ganging up on you is because of your consistent need to flame which makes you seem completely imature and you incapability to hold up and argument. Sorry, but you just suck at it. Everything will come down at E3 though, so we'll see...
I'll probably buy the DS though, and pad it with about a $200 dollars in cash I saved. haha
makarel at 1:39 2/2/2004
Too .. much crap .. to read. My original estimate was always $199. I got the $150-199 estimate from when Deering said psp would be comparable in price. Arguing with you dumbasses takes to much time. I don't know how you can call my sources bullshit when they are EXACTLY the same sources as yours. You pretty much said $300+ and one of you other faggots probably said $400 which is still too high asshat. I don't f**king care what Deering says anymore, he is not the apex of the sony corporation and he sounds like a dumbass. psp will retail for $199 or very close to that in north america. You idiots will still be arguing after sony makes it official at e3.
Anonymous at 23:6 1/2/2004
PSP, PSX... The future of gaming is bright!
Cliff Claven at 22:31 1/2/2004
makeral give it up. You are seriously making a total fool of yourself here. You need help.
tt at 19:25 1/2/2004
"Thanks to MCV for their interview with Sony Europe boss Chris Deering, in which it's mentioned again that Sony's PSP handheld "will be launched across the world in the final quarter of 2004." But Deering also talks price, suggesting that the PSP would launch at "closer to 200UKP [369USD] than 300UKP [554USD]" in England. Meanwhile, a Gamesindustry.biz article takes note of "information from Japanese retail sources earlier this week, who told us that a price point around 50,000 Yen [448USD], was being bandied about in Tokyo." Recent exchange-rate changes complicate U.S. launch pricing estimates, though - the PSP will likely launch at less than those raw dollar conversion rates Stateside, but is not intended to be a hardware loss-leader for Sony, with Deering suggesting: "The feeling is that this product should generate profit on hardware alone."
Do you need more proof fool. Even with the exchange rate Sony is planing to make a profit off the hardware. And this cannot happen if they sell this unit for $200 or less.
Simon at 19:12 1/2/2004
"Talking about the recently announced PSP handheld console, Deering stated that it will not be a direct competitor with the Game Boy Advance" -GameSpot- Which means makeral, the PSP will not be in the same price comparison as the GBA. You need help.
tt at 18:58 1/2/2004
"So what I made one mistake, which is better than your f**king shit."
You have made, plenty of mistakes.
"Again, sony makes it's profit directly from the games developed and purchased. Why change a business model that works perfectly."
Because Sony themselves said they would you f**king idiot. Man you're a f**king dim-wit. Sony has said they want to make money off the hardware AND the software. It comes from their mouth.
"Your estimate is much more f**king off - a $400USD handheld?"
Hmmm, and i just thought i said $200+ for the unit. You are truely a dumb asshole of sorts.
"Because if the PSP is introduced at $200+$300+ as many have suggested,(and not bullshit sources like yours) It will not be price comaparable to the GBA. Or even this new device for that matter. The GBA can be purchased now for $99US with game included. Do you actually think that the PSP will be sold for $99US when it's released you dumb f**k? MAN YOU'RE A DUMBASS." tt at 13:53 23/1/2004
Hmmmm, that's $400? Yup. Your a dumb ass.......
And as for price comparison. Just as Josheo said, $200 is not comparable to $100. Or is $150 comparable to $200 FOR THAT MATTER. And if the PSP wants to be price comparable to the GBA it's going to have to be in the $99US range. That's what you can buy a GBA for now.
"I'm confused, how can you say any price coming out of europe cant be trusted when your source is from SCEE and they're talking in euros?"
Yes i was going to say the same thing. More contradictions from your dumb ass makeral. Good point Josheo. You claim prices coming out of Japan AND EUROPE are not valid, yet you use a link that IS QUOTED IN euros from a EUROPEAN SOURCE. WOW. You truely are a dumbass. Major dumbass. Supreme dumbass. You need to stop posting here. All you are doing is contradicting yourself at every turn.
Anonymous at 1:27 1/2/2004
josheo, you're getting smarter everyday. less flame, that's good. it's true that graphic compement gameplay, but the gameplay itself is the most important. the xbox generally sucks big time compared to ps2 or gc. so what if the xbox has better specs. no one gives a shit.
Josheo at 8:19 31/1/2004
when it comes to gameplay making graphics, thats just not true. graphics complement gameplay, it doesn't make the game. While smooth graphics and a sweet frame rate are really nice to have, there are plenty...PLENTY of xbox games that look gorgeous but are just plain terrible. Good graphics do help things out though, no doubt, but thats not the only reason to buy a game. Really, just take a look at PS2, great games, mediocre graphics capabilities for the most part. Though I have seen some gorgeous PS2 games.
Anonymous at 3:13 31/1/2004
i agree
F*ck Xbox at 22:28 30/1/2004
If PS2 is crap like those Xbox fanboys said and if people actualy gives a f**k about specs, WHY PS2 SELLS AND XBOX DIED? Oh yes my friend, Xbox is DEAD. It's dead from the first time Microsoft got an idea of entering the console market. So get over it!
And Anonymous at 14:15, do you ever even played SOCOM before or did those nerdy Xbox KIDS at school just told you that? SOCOM1/2 multiplayer plays smoothly on PS2.
Yes, Xbox has better graphics. SO???
And yes, probably Xbox is capable of palying HL2 and DOOM 3. But does that mean people like the Xbox? NO! Is that a fact? YES! Wanna play FPS? Go play a PC! Seeing those Xbox fanboys talk about specs is the same as seeing shit come out from their geeky mouths.
So is the Xbox better from PS2 and GC? Hell NO! Sony & Nintendo rules! Am I being immature? Oh yes I am. But at least I told you the truth!
Xbox is da shit! Dog shit that is...
Anonymous at 21:59 30/1/2004
go josheo! f**k makarel
Josheo at 21:16 30/1/2004
makarel...I fear that the rest of the populace is as immature as you...
I'm confused, how can you say any price coming out of europe cant be trusted when your source is from SCEE and they're talking in euros?
And the reason we think that it will be around $400 is because sony has stated before that they want to make a profit on this thing, ok? We didn't just pull that out of our asses, its what sony has stated. Yes, thats not the tried and true buisiness, but sony said they want more profit for both them AND third party developers. Thats why. And yes, sounds like suicide, but with sony and the hype and credibility they produce, somehow I think they could do it. Dont keep saying the same stuff over and over again, we know its not the traditional business model, alright? We got that the first time. But sony has stated otherwise so give us some slack.
One more thing. $200 is not comparable to $100. So apparently SCEE was just creating more hype. This is to be expected...I wouldn't trust everything every sony personel states until we get the full scope of things at E3. We dont know jack till then. And if this thing sells for as low as $150, damnit, I'll buy you one myself.
makarel at 20:59 30/1/2004
So what I made one mistake, which is better than your f**king shit. Your estimate is much more f**king off - a $400USD handheld? You've got to be f**king kidding me! And you're telling me that sony will make more money this way? How exactly mister f**king highschool economics master? Unless sony is in the market to actually lose money dumbass. IN OTHER RELATED NEWS SONY PLANS ON GIVING AWAY FREE ANTHRAX WITH EVERY PURCHASE OF A PS2! Here's a simple formula even you should understand dipshit, higher cost=fewer psp's sold=less games purchased=less games developed=sony f**ked up ass. You can't market a video game console like you do a dvd player or a tv, IT'S SUICIDE!Again, sony makes it's profit directly from the games developed and purchased. Why change a business model that works perfectly. And again, any price estimates coming out of europe and japan cannot be directly converted into US dollars without taking into account the differences in their economies from the us economy.
I actually found the quote saying that the psp would be "comparable in price to the gba". And it came from, what a shocker, Chris Deering president of SCEE! http://www.pczone.co.uk/news/news_story.php?id=93421
BITCH!
Anonymous at 14:55 30/1/2004
xXx, what do you consider gameplay? Smooth frame rates? No slowdown? No jaggies and clipping issues? Smooth character animations? Smooth camera viewing at all angles? That's what gameplay is. The PS2 has the worst of the lot because of it's dated hardware and slow graphic processor. It has no support for advanced pixel shaders. No support for anti-alaisng in hardware. Games that are intense on the PS2 Like MaxPayne 2, Red faction 2 or any 1st or 3rd person shooter for that matter, you encounter slowdown and lag. The GameCube and expecially the Xbox do not have those problems the same way the PS2 does. Play a cross platform game on the PS2, then play it on the GameCube or Xbox and see a difference in frame rates and textures right away. The ps2 has dated hardware and as a result has slowdown issues when many images fill the screen. Also the PS2 only supports 640x480 resolutions. No HDTV support. Online play is another example of the dated PS2. Almost every game on the PS2 that supports online play is plagued with lag and slowdown. The Xbox has no such problems. Crimson skies and Ghost Recon are perfect examples of this. Smooth gameplay throughout. SOCOM,SOCOM2 for the PS2 is littered with lag issues and slowdown. And that EFFECTS GAMEPLAY in a big way. Why do you think there is absolutely no plans to see a HL2 or DOOM3 version on the PS2? It cannot handle the animations. It does not support ANY pixel/vertex shader technology those games employ. Why do you think Splinter Cell, MaxPayne1 and 2 and Mafia play so poorly on the PS2? The CPU/GPU is lacking. And this effects frame rates and smooth play:GAMEPLAY.
Anonymous at 12:57 30/1/2004
It'll be cheap alright a cheap peice of crap
brought to you by sony
xXx at 7:44 30/1/2004
I heard some1 say XBOX has best graphic YES IT DOES but no gameplay LOL you are sooo idiot. if you want to only see graphic go see a movie MORON. lol stupid poeple
Anonymous at 3:16 30/1/2004
lemme give u the url http://cimg.163.com/gz/it/20030801/c01.jpg a portable ps2 that also acts like an organizer, a movie player and an mp3 player. for $200 that's cheap!
Anonymous at 3:11 30/1/2004
why the psp costs that much? see picture #4 from that psp guy at 23:26 i think it makes sense.
Josheo at 22:26 29/1/2004
tt seems to be out to get the lil cod though. haha
well, we'll see what happens guys. I somewhat doubt all this psp hype, but if anyone can topple the handheld giant, its sony. things can also go awry though and if sony doesn't learn from past mistakes, this thing wont fly. only time will tell
Anonymous at 21:57 29/1/2004
LMFAO!!!!!!! yo makarel, get a life. You need one.
tt at 21:47 29/1/2004
makeral is still spewing more bullshit i see. Let's clarify some things shall we?
"Oh where are your $300-$400 price estimates now? And for the record to that faggot second poster, I never said the psp was going to be under $200. I quoted an article that said "psp would be comparable in price to the gba". makarel at 23:51 28/1/2004 HMMMMMMM....No this......
"And the psp will cost no more than $200, possibly at $150 jackasses. I don't pull figures from my ass like the other shits on this messageboard." makarel at 0:38 22/1/2004 Even better....
"I don't even know where you got the $150 figure from - not once did **I** say that the price was going that low. I've always said $199-249." makarel at 23:36 28/1/2004
$150? If memory serves me correctly, $150 is lower then $200. Remember grade school math makeral? So what story is it makeral? You seem to have many. And that "not once did **I** say that the price was going that low...." line sounds like our retired Prime Minister, Jean Chrétien speech about "no more G.S.T" makeral, you are a shitty liar or just plain stupid to forget you previous lies or stories. More so, all of the above......
Anonymous at 20:35 29/1/2004
"I quoted an article that said "psp would be comparable in price to the gba".
The GBA sold for $150 at launch time. The PSP will never sell for $150 idiot.
"Obviously sony will stick to there tried and true formula of giving the customer a break in the cost. It worked beautifully for both the ps1 and ps2. They make up the difference with the games developed and sold."
Obviously you did not read what Sony plans for the the PSP. CHRIS DEERING STATES HOW SONY IS CHANGING THEIR REGULAR BUSINESS MODEL AND IS SELLING THIS UNIT AT A PRICE THAT WILL MAKE THEM A PROFIT. So the cost of the unit will reflect the price because of this. Since he's the head of Sony's European division, i would like to think he knows more about this then most. They are aiming for a profit on the hardware. Something the PS1 and PS2 did not do.
Anonymous at 16:6 29/1/2004
to see thet specks on this PSP go here http://www.growyourownshit.com/users/J_unit87
TheKoolGuy at 14:12 29/1/2004
Con: PSP has a lot of advantages and in some ways is more powerful than consols such as ps2.
Also to note to the write of the news article "PSP will retail at, between USD 200 and 250. If that US figure is converted into Japanese Yen (20,000 - 26,000) or GBP (125 - 150)" True, however, Sony have never to my recolection converted USD to GBP via exchange rate and have infact just changed the symbol i.e. $200 to £200. Why, i don't know, but sadly it's the truth :'(
Con at 13:23 29/1/2004
i dunno anyone who is gonna pay $250 american for a handheld. you can buy a full size more powerful console for that...
Anonymous at 12:51 29/1/2004
I second that
who gives a fcuk
Anonymous at 12:12 29/1/2004
The correct answer to this XBrick/Sony/Nintendo/PC battle is:
"No normal person really gives a f**k."
Anonymous at 12:10 29/1/2004
Uh oh, here comes the XBox/Sony geek battle...
Anonymous at 12:5 29/1/2004
no xboxman, pc has best graphics you idiot. YOUR graphics will only be as good as your tv. welcom to a doomed like of shitty resolution.
pc moniters have two to three times the res of tvs. moniters are 1024x768 and up these days, many run them at 1200x1600. your crappy zenith gets 600x800 at best. it might even be 640x480.
loser.
Xbox_Man at 10:18 29/1/2004
XboX ROXXXXXX, WHY ????? .... XBoX has a best graphic !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ur mom at 6:47 29/1/2004
xbox is soo cool yo
xXx at 6:32 29/1/2004
like i said Anonymous poeple ar gay. yes HAIL SONY f**k you XBOX GEEKS. olso NINTENDO wouldent beat sony in handhelt console i can say that without a hinch. lol f**k YOU XBOX FANS
Anonymous at 4:46 29/1/2004
all hail sony? hell no. not yet.
more like all hail the hype tyrant. just wait guys...we'll see
Anonymous at 2:19 29/1/2004
All three models look great! Thanks for the links.
chris d at 0:54 29/1/2004
if that's true that the psp can do all those things then gba is dead nice pictures dude!
Anonymous at 0:47 29/1/2004
Whoa! As long as it's below $300 I'll buy it! A Game console, a video player and an MP3 player. Hell yea, I'll buy it!
Anonymous at 0:45 29/1/2004
makarel, you're one angry fish errr... i mean, person.
makarel at 23:51 28/1/2004
Oh where are your $300-$400 price estimates now? And for the record to that faggot second poster, I never said the psp was going to be under $200. I quoted an article that said "psp would be comparable in price to the gba".
Obviously sony will stick to there tried and true formula of giving the customer a break in the cost. It worked beautifully for both the ps1 and ps2. They make up the difference with the games developed and sold.
And there is nothing innovative about the psp. It uses the same chip tech that is inside the ps2. The process of designing those chips has been refined over the years with the ps2 which helps bring down cost considerably.
Anonymous at 23:36 28/1/2004
cool! nice links man. that black psp picture rocks!!!!!
Will the PSP look like this? --- http://www.designtechnica.com/files/PSPlarge.jpg
Or like this? --- http://www.baluma.com/noticias/noticias_ampliadas_2003/0801_SonyPSP/psp.jpg
Or like THIS!!! (Naaah...) --- http://www.d8ed.com/Images/PSP_Final6a.jpg
Wanna know why it costs a bit expensive? --- http://cimg.163.com/gz/it/20030801/c01.jpg
Fits right in your pocket. Uh, wait that's not a PSP --- http://image.lik-sang.com/images/large/pocketstation2.jpg
The War at 22:44 28/1/2004
There were three kings... Nintendo, Sega and Sony. Now there are two. Both with legions of fans behind them. Will Nintendo claim Sony's throne this time? The legend continues...
Anonymous at 22:39 28/1/2004
sweet! there has never been a console war for sony up to this moment. at least no worthy enough opponents yet. nintendo is promising though...
John Doe at 22:24 28/1/2004
The PSP will rock! Sony has the largest partnership with most of the biggest game companies in the world. EA is just one of them. There's also Square, Konami, etc! Plus Sony has the best and brightest media & marketing strategists in the market! And if Sony is giving a slightly higher price tag then the PSP must be good. They know what they're dealing with and they sure know their competitors. Nintendo is probably the biggest competitor to Sony right now since no one else is competing with Sony. Microsoft is off the list for sure. No hope at all for Microsoft in this market. Go Sony!
Anonymous at 22:3 28/1/2004
hail the mighty sony
Anonymous at 21:42 28/1/2004
This HandHeld will be great, but why play a portable when you can have a console? Being 21 i would never play a portable on the bus or subway to work and school. Let alone pay $$$ or whatever this thing is going to cost. Hand-helds are for kids. Consoles and PC's are for the older crowds. I can just see it, the Exec type person walking into the office with a GBA or PSP playing mortal Kombat. RIGHTTTTTT. This will sell big for the kiddies like the GBA if the price is right. How that hell does a 12 year old afford this? Mommy, Daddy? Pleasssssssssssse.......
Anonymous at 19:41 28/1/2004
"either EA is full of crap or sony is more innovative with their hardware then I initially thought"
I will go with the crap part first. If Sony wants to make a profit off the PSP hardware, as they claim, it cannot sell for less then $250. Not a chance in hell. You hit the nail on the head josheo.
"...sony is more innovative with their hardware then I initially thought"
Considering Sony does not make CPU's or GPU'S or memory chips at all for consoles or PC's, the possiblility of them being innovative with their hardware aint gonna happen. So unless they get cut-rate deals from chip makers they aint selling this for less or the DS target price of $150. Unless of course, Sony goes back to their original business model and takes a hit on hardware and makes all the profit on the software.
Anonymous at 19:20 28/1/2004
If Sony want's to bury the GBA or the DS from Nintendo, then they should push the price point to $149. If they do that, then Nintendo will be in trouble. If not. Good luck PSP. You will need it then. No portable costing over $200 has ever survived. The vast amount of people buying portables are still under 18. And those are Parents still buying the majority of them. And parents in general won't spring for a system that costs the same as a full console. Look at all the other portables of the past. Only a small percentage of adults(18+) purchase portable gaming systems. Those people have other things on their minds as market research has shown then playing games on the subway or bus. This is why the GameBoy has sold so well. It's cheap. And targeted for kids. The PSP and Nokia Ngage is being targeted towards the 18+ crowd. Good luck. I myself can figure many more ways to spend $200+.....and so do the 18+ crowd as research has shown for Hand-held gaming. 18+ crowd is increasing for the console market. Not the Portable market. Never has. Never will unless it's CHEAP.
josheo at 19:14 28/1/2004
i have a hunch nintendo will try to debut with the first console this time around...and somehow i cant seem to believe a $250 price tag since Sony claims they want to make a profit on the PSP...
either EA is full of crap or sony is more innovative with their hardware then I initially thought
Anonymous at 19:7 28/1/2004
"Last month, we posted an announcement made by Sony and Toshiba (one of the two Sony’s partners for the PlayStation 3) telling the world that trial production of chips (the cell) using a 65-nanometer manufacturing process would begin this March, with commercial production of the final chips expected for summer 2005. In that story we also suggested that the Xbox 2 CPU could also be a 65-nm part since both Sony and Microsoft are going head-to-head for the next round in “The Console Wars.” Today we can confirm that the Xbox 2 CPU will also be built using a 65-nanometer manufacturing process. “It’ll be built on a 65-nanometer process,” a source confirmed to TeamXbox. “IBM has already taped out experimental samples at its East Fishkill fab but it will take between 12 to 18 months for them to deliver commercial parts. Anyway, they’re way ahead of Intel.” Both Sony and Microsoft are getting CPU's from IBM. What a scoop for IBM.
ww at 18:32 28/1/2004
Take a guess why EA is supporting the PSP in a big way. EA are also the very ones who made a exclusive deal with Sony in only developing future Sports online games for the PS2 only. Not for the Xbox or the GameCube. Sony paid them millions for this.
"Sony has also signed an exclusive deal with gaming giant EA on the software maker's sports titles. The deal means that online versions of popular titles, such as Madden NFL, will only be created for the PlayStation console." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3026625.stm
So it's only natural that EA supports this to the fullest. And i don't see this thing under $200 either as some have suggested.
Anonymous at 18:21 28/1/2004
This post is for that Makeral guy. It won't sell for under $200 bucks as YOU claimed. More like $200+ like what everyone has said.....
