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megan
at 13:57 17/2/2008
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asume rock on dudes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?
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Me.
at 14:44 21/11/2006
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This game has been cancelled.
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kSHARN
at 19:3 25/6/2005
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XBOX360 COST 300 DOLLARS
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kSHARN
at 19:3 25/6/2005
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IS XBOX360 COST 300 DPLLARS
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Xiaopang
at 8:36 20/5/2005
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@cobra: man you're a sick little boy for sure... i've never seen someone talking that much shit. did you ever get the idea to *THINK* about stuff that other say and to read what other s wrote, before you claim that i said that i actually didn't... needless to say that some ignorant jerk like you has some major lack of tolerance towards the points of view of other ppl's .depending of your rate of answering on a single day, i conclude that you really have no live or girlfriend. so how does it feel to be a 20 year old 250 pound heavy console nerd, than rather goes out and looses his virginity.... what a loser
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Hullabaloo
at 11:37 11/5/2005
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look why dont you all just accept that when the XBOX360 comes out your all going to love it then your all going to love the PS3 then (maybe) your all going to love the Evolution simple as so stop arguing, also all you people who say the pc sucks what the f**k are you using to write your posts on 'cause it cant be a PS2 or XBOX can it???? or did i miss i gigantic leap with console internet 'cause i thought it was only useable for games that use the net & if you pay loads a mounth you can use a chat thing like msn but anyway console are good yeh but only for gaming pc are also good for gaming but also for most of there other advantages and uses overall stop complaing you have both (weather your console be a xbox, ps2 or nitendo or all 3 if your gready like me and can afford to buy them all) and if you dont then dont try and force others into thinking the same as you just accept where all diffrent
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l33t l3@D3R
at 11:16 9/5/2005
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l33t l3@D3R Rul3z0r. U all sux cuxk. I own you all.Anonymous - get a life n00bz0r. U have posted like 3333 t1m35. G3t @ l1f3 u noob!
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l33t l3@D3R
at 11:12 9/5/2005
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Does anyone know where I can purchase GT4 for the PC. I visited my local retail outlet but they said that they did not stock it for the pc, only for the ps2. My cousin bob told me he had it for the pc though. I WANT!!!!!!!!
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Anonymous
at 10:17 9/5/2005
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its not released yet u idiot
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l33t l3@D3R
at 7:44 9/5/2005
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w0wz0r, teh g@m3 l00k5 l33t, ps2 sux - xb0x sux, gb@ sux, 3v3ryth1n6 suxz0r, suxz0r suxz0r l33t. Btw, anyone know where I can download this game from?
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nicklang319
at 3:2 9/5/2005
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well these screenshots, the only thing Iam impressed with is the amount of action going on. The graphics themselves are nothing I havn't seen before.If this is as good as the next gen systems are going to get, you can count me out.
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Anonymous
at 10:44 8/5/2005
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Don't mind dissing the PC until u console fans have come up with a thing that the only the console can and the pc can't !?Exactly what CAN a console do that a PC can't? Huh ? cuz i know a whole shitload of stuff a pc can do which a console can't !! And games being fun or not INS'T because of the machine ur play'n it on, it's the game and gameplay itself !!! morons ... Guess this question is gonna take away the sleep of console-fans dissing the PC ... btw, great graphics on the pic =) !!! can't wait to get my hands on a PS3 :D
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Anonymous
at 5:12 8/5/2005
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TO: Anonymous at 8:47 7/5/2005 Anonymous at 3:32 7/5/2005 Anonymous at 8:15 6/5/2005 i find that kidna weird to respond to ur own posts pretending to be someone else. Either that or all 3 of u type exactly the same... See normal ppl dont say something, ad then a post later say: Oh u, good point on that...its just makes them look like they have a mental problem such as a split personality.
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Anonymous
at 5:0 8/5/2005
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"@Anonymous at 19:57 6/5/2005 ppl dnt argue in all forums so piss off bt @Anonymous at 8:15 6/5/2005 gd point bt grow up no1 will agree wiv u total well no1 ere cos there 2 wond up about how f**king much they shag there pc or console "Why dnt u take an extra 3 seconds of ur time to make half ur words mean something.
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??????
at 15:20 7/5/2005
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Humm looks like Thay finaly coght up to a dreamcast level of gfx you go sony lol
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Anonymous
at 8:47 7/5/2005
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@Anonymous at 19:57 6/5/2005 ppl dnt argue in all forums so piss off bt @Anonymous at 8:15 6/5/2005 gd point bt grow up no1 will agree wiv u total well no1 ere cos there 2 wond up about how f**king much they shag there pc or console
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Anonymous
at 3:32 7/5/2005
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ure all sad n childish go out n get sum light go sort ya selfs out n find a gf then maybe u wont b so concerened wiv wt is better cos overall a well lived life is better than any console or computer cos the best gfx out there r ure own eyes n the real wrld ure prob all get a hard on if u see a naked computer girl go find a real girl cos she can do things 2 u n wiv u
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Anonymous
at 19:57 6/5/2005
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guy below meSTFU, ...OMG LETS SHUT IT DOWN, THEY ARE ARGUING!!!! OMG LIKE EVERY OTHER FORUM IN THE WORLD!!!
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Anonymous
at 8:15 6/5/2005
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there both as gd as the other both hav gd n bad points so stop arguing its jst a stale mate here i recomend that MG shuts dwn this convo
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ultra violet
at 2:13 6/5/2005
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Some awesome games for the PC.Civilization 1,2,3,doom,1,2,3,quake,1,2,3,unreal tournament whole package,delta force,joint operations,black hawk,half life 2,almost all F1,tdm 1,2,gta all,serious sam,simcity all,caesar 1,2,3 duke nukem,command&conquer,even mortal combat looks and plays much better as on 16 bit consoles,there are also plenty of emulators which can emulate the games perfectly well,and with tv out and a firestorm they gave the same feeling as you would play it on a console with the difference that you can store all roms on a single cd,yayks.Not to mention that internet sucks balls on a console ass the movies and the music.Consoles are just shity castrated pc's for the dumb mob.
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Nighthawk
at 18:39 5/5/2005
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@ guy below meDont bother talking to him. For some reason, he is in his own little world and he just blocks out everything we say and somehow tried to get around them. Notice how he hasnt responded to any of the stronger points made.
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Anonymous
at 17:42 5/5/2005
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Dude King the console are MADE on a PC your f**king dumbass!!and you dont need to use the keyboard and mouse to play games on PC. You can buy a controller if you want! and about the whole 6 months for a new card thing. Dude I have seen some very old cards run DOOM 3 and Half-Life 2 at full settings on fine graphics. My friend ran DOOM 3 on full settings on a Nvidie Geforce 5700 FX, 512 MB RAM, and a Pentium 4 3.0 GHz
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Anonymous
at 15:27 5/5/2005
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that's the PS3 power!!!???... nothing that a well programed xbox game can't do.
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Anonymous
at 11:21 5/5/2005
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king cobra, u dont understand the concept about a pc. Its not just for playing games, but all the games are better for PC if u have them. I dont care about sitting on a couch, my really nice comfy chair is just perfect. And the Halo thing, u made it sound like Halo is the only game that uses 2 anaolog sticks or something... I know how u move, i DO have an xbox and halo u retard. And for the new equipment on a pc, its worth it, because there are so many more things a pc can do. When u buy a game now days, games that are on consoles and pc either have better gfx for a pc cause its better, or the gfx are held back because the consoles suck. and the 12.95 a month, u only have to pay that for MMO's, something consoles dont have. ANY other online game is free to play as long as u have internet connection. Xbox Live is just a really gay way to make money by making u pay to have u play a game online...once again, u dont have to do that for PC games, its $0.00 a month and $0.00 a year to play a NORMAL game
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Anonymous
at 11:4 5/5/2005
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This game looks gross. :)
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Anonymous
at 7:30 5/5/2005
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@King Cobra get a f**king life go out in2 the real wld find a gf n spend time wiv her rather than making love 2 ure computer
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King Cobra
at 19:7 4/5/2005
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Even if I have a ton of games I dont play entirely all of them. The vast majority are originals minus some obscure japanese releases that unless you DL them you have to pay $100 from an importer.The same happens to XBOX. I use Xbox Live quite a lot and let me tell you is far better and organized than any network option a PC game have. All the online titles, a single network. In PC you pay $12.95 for a single title montly while Xbox live is $39.95 for ALL the games for A YEAR. Having a single propietary console is also good becasue you get organized and developers alwyas do tricks to get the most of the avaiable technology. PCs throw new card every 6 montys and developers get lazy. They can program to get the most out of a moderate PC but BIG BUCKS from ATI/ NVIDIA just dont get the most of them. The PC market is very expensive and with the new market model will get even more expansive... If you want PC thats your problem. Lets see how far you can stretch your dollar in order to play "the way it was meant to be played"...
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Anonymous
at 18:58 4/5/2005
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dude you talk to much
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King Cobra
at 18:54 4/5/2005
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"i dont even have a wireless mouse + keyoard, just giving a counterexample" So? you want me to buy you a wireless key+mouse? I think you refer to playing in a couch... let me explain, TVs usually have a couch or common area in front of them that is confortable enough to watch a movie and dont fell the pain associated with sitting in a desk with your hand recieving stress from the position you asume while using a PC. Back, neck, wrists and other pains in some years you will face. controllers or "pads" fit ERGONOMICALLY your hands in order to have all the needed features at the touch of a button. not have 104 keys in witch 90% are useless."and wtf does halo have to do with aiming with 2 analog sticks? There are like, 1000000 other games that ALSO do,..." hmmm becasue in halo you use the left analog to do WASD and the right analog to provide the mouse movement. note that with analog sticks you can push them a little and you walk, push them all the way and you run. You dont need to hit shift or whatever to walk. A button less to hit ;-) a million games that do? do what? hmmm you dont make any sense... "and yeah, it SUX balls to aim with them cause it is WAY harder than a mouse+keyboard and yeah, it SUX balls to aim with them cause it is WAY harder than a mouse+keyboard " Nothing that some practice can fix. PC gamers are relunctant to learn becasue all they do is play the same games with different coating all over again so there is no learning curve but some twists here and there.
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Anonymous
at 18:44 4/5/2005
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King Cobra, ur just wayyy too much of a console fanboy to understand the great meaning of a PC over a console. And i hope u know, with the new consoles that have g70's, and r520's and cell processors etc, this isnt going to be no $200-$300 anymore...its gonna be quite a bit higher than that...Yes i have a ton of copied pc games, but not even CLOSE to how many copied games u have for xbox and ps2. I do buy a large portion of my games though. I only copy/download the ones i nvr planned on getting in the first place. Those are usually the ones i dont like
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Anonymous
at 18:39 4/5/2005
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abd to add to that, im sorry, but ive never hurt my hands, wrists OR back using a mouse/keyboard playing a game.
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King Cobra
at 18:39 4/5/2005
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And to finish you off with point number 7:Hehehee... Then your "gaming" (FPS,RTS,MMORPG) days are doomed becasue if ppl wil pirate games then there is no point to make them if there is no profit to be made. Pretty clever ideals for a retard those you have... "walla" hahahaha!! You can blame me of stealing only if you buy ALL your games, NEVER made a copy for a friend, DONT have ANY emulator and the idea of burning a game gets you so sick you s#it your pants. And because in one of them you must have failed I rest the case by pummeling your not-that-good arguments with some of the real deal. PCs in general. A BIG ,HEAVY and EXPENSIVE box with 3 mayor genres. No wonder ppl pirate more their games becasue they must get the money from hardware, IF you also buy your software ;-P With new graphic cards comming six months apart its getting kind of expensive to play the games the way they were meant to be played. Like the Nvidia jingle lol!! With $500 a single graphic card cost I can buy at least TWO consoles with some games!! Consoles cheap in comparison and soon enough to close the gap in the graphic deparment. Save all that money to buy some games!! Damn Xiaopang... get back to WASDing some arms with a gun
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Anonymous
at 18:37 4/5/2005
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@King Cobra,1) i dont even have a wireless mouse + keyoard, just giving a counterexample, and wtf does halo have to do with aiming with 2 analog sticks? There are like, 1000000 other games that ALSO do, and yeah, it SUX balls to aim with them cause it is WAY harder than a mouse+keyboard
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King Cobra
at 18:20 4/5/2005
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LOL @ Xiaopang:1) Im talking about the argument i.e. PS2 SUX. If you didnt make any of those well if you scratch is because it itches somewhere... Shhhh... 2) Genres that arent even tpuched by consoles?! Leave the crack man. Consoles CREATE AND DEFINE genres all the time! All ppl can find something suitable in consoles! No luck? Give him Mario Party or WarioWare... Touche! 3)Hey dont get away from the point: PC 3 genres - Consoles Action, Adventure, Fighting, RPG, Shooters, SPORTS!! Sophisticated gamers?! Hahahaah!! Just because you need basic OS training to install a game dont make you sophisticated. Inserting a disc and powering the thing on makes you PRACTICAL! Dull combat? no wonder in Japan PC gamers are almost non existent. Games are supposed to be fun, your "sophistication" just takes the fun away with steep learning curves and a "all-the-keys-on-keyboard-are-used" layout. Example? Flight simulators... ZZZzzzzz..... 4) Well then for one that would be my problem, so dont be nosy, and for two it contradicts your point #7. 5) My god you are a non good bum insecure stupid punt little man... Why you ned a button to do everything? thats where skill comes into play. You imagine aStreet Fighter tournament with preprogramed combos? You will get disqualified. So I have to buy to an already expensive system some wireless key and mouse? I bet you dont even have those to play in your comfy couch. Dont talk S#it. Aim with a joystick? have you ever heard of a game named HALO? Well that used two analog sticks quite well.
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Anonymous
at 15:2 4/5/2005
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@King Cobra:4) Id like to also let u know, as soon as ur caught, ur gonna pay one HEFTY fine and be in jail a loooong time. 5) Ok, the only reason console games have little combo moves is because there arent enough buttons to have every move. Theres also a such thing as a wireless keyboard + mouse, and ur pretty stupid if u like a gamepad better than a mouse. Try and frickin aim with a little joysticks lol. $10 if u put take a game such as CS, and plug a controller in one of the conputers and playw ith it, the person on the mouse+keyboard would WASTE u no contest. 7) the reason there are more games for console is because a vast majority of pc gamers pirate their games, and a vast majority of console gamers cant...walla. They make a TON more money off consoles games...not like u would ever know something like that since u steal all ur games
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Xiaopang
at 14:49 4/5/2005
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@cobra: "You just fuel my point of view by not been able to defend." well what about those with arguments? just ignoring these doesn't give you any point here. "You can find games in consoles that will satisfy everyone" there are genres that aren't even touched by consoles and ppl only liking those so thats not true what you're saying. "What good Fighting game was released for PC in recent memory?" "FPS, RTS, MMoRPS are good genres dont get me wrong, but they are not the only ones" as you said yourself: just concentrating on few genres doesn't make them the only ones. only because you're interested in console-typical genres doesn't make pc-typical ones anything less worth or better. btw, you say all genres are even, but console games are "real" video games? quite a contradiction if there was a market for fighting games on pc, then there would be more games, but in fact most pc players need a more sophisticated gameplay instead of a "more dull kombat" or other always-the-same-lets-brake-some-bones-and-start-again-games "If consoles SUCK so much... Why they sell more games than PC?" in fact, the sales for consoles are far higher than for pc-games, but don't forget the important factor of piracy here. while you can get many games even before they are realeased as a leaked beta, or a prerelease from another country, orfrom a pressrelease, console owners will have to wait. so unpatient fans will do anything to get the game and thus are more used to use pirated copies. and there are far more sources for pirated pc-games then for copied console games. many console-gamers aren't that experienced with pc either and thus chances are high they don't even know that and where they can dl console games.
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Xiaopang
at 14:30 4/5/2005
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Plasma TVs might support such high resolutions, but the technique itself is still far from being perfect. even expensive models can't compare in contrast, luminosity and sharpness with crt's or tft's
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King Cobra
at 14:22 4/5/2005
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MEGAGAMES EDITING MY POSTS!?!?... I think my point of view is a valid one. Why dont you edit some of the pointless ones like SUXXOR or RULLZZ or NVIDIOTS or ATIDIOTS?1) The games I mentioned were EXAMPLES of the genres you find in consoles. In consoles you find Fighting , Racing , Action , Shooters (R-Type), RPG... etc... You can find games in consoles that will satisfy everyone. For tastes the colors What good Fighting game was released for PC in recent memory? Guilty Gear XX # Reloaded. Others will thee se day on PC when they get emulated... LONG TIME 2) All those people that just say retard or F@g or whatever to defend an argument PRO-PC, you dont look intelligent or clever... not even funny... You just fuel my point of view by not been able to defend.
3) "Video Game Consoles" are for "Video Games" If I want to play solitarie or whatever Ill use the PC Im using right now. If I want to play some real Video Games Ill switch My HDTV on and play some Jade Empire.
4) Console games can also be downloaded and burned into DVD-Rs and you dont need expensive technology to do that. Just a tutorial and some wits. I have nearly 200 PS2 Games and 80 Xbox games. 5) Keyboard + Mouse better than a D-Pad? LOL try doing a hadoken in a keyboard. With a controller you can play in bed, couch, floor , stading up etc... With key+Mouse you must use the desk and in time you will develop pain in hands and back. Today controllers are made to ergonomically fit your hand and have all the buttons accesible to the instant touch.
6) FPS, RTS, MMoRPS are good genres dont get me wrong, but they are not the only ones. Dhaos at 18:38 is the onlyone to have proven a valid point.
7) If consoles SUCK so much... Why they sell more games than PC? Why the Console section in stores like EBX, Gamesttop is WAY BIGGER than PC?
Consoles Pwn you
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Anonymous
at 13:27 4/5/2005
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new screenshots, dont know when they fixed em, but the screenshots look pretty crappy for a PS3, i expected WAY better. Even Doom3 engine looks better than this!
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TheKoolGuy
at 10:26 4/5/2005
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they're bloody expensive, but you can get a plasma at 2000x2000 max i've ever seen.
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Anonymous
at 4:8 4/5/2005
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i agree with omosa, gtr is easily the best racing game ever! Get a descent sound system and feel the engine through your subwoofer!! hehe i love it!!
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Anonymous
at 18:50 3/5/2005
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Omosa
at 18:43 3/5/2005
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Fact - the best car game ever made is only for PC = GTR ! by simbin.. play it and realize.
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Anonymous
at 18:22 3/5/2005
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Why does MG have five screens of the same picture
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Anonymous
at 17:42 3/5/2005
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Agizor
at 16:41 3/5/2005
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This
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Anonymous
at 15:14 3/5/2005
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Regular tv's cannot. Only Plasmas and some HDTV's and i don't even know they can go that high. I could be wrong though ;)
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Anonymous
at 12:14 3/5/2005
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...definatly not the base res. are there even tv's that can go that high?
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Anonymous
at 12:4 3/5/2005
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Next generation consoles will run at above 1600x1200. About time i say. ;)
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Anonymous
at 11:40 3/5/2005
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Anonymous
at 8:57 3/5/2005
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Anonymous
at 7:39 3/5/2005
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actually MGS3 aint coming on pc ure getting a game called MGS:Jungle Assalute n its a hole new story set in the now n it aint got all the stuff frm MGS3 like the secret camos or the hunting or the demo in the game also the pc game is gunna b a side game n u aint playing as snake or owt like that ure playing as a new breed of comando
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ERT
at 6:13 3/5/2005
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}{unter
at 5:47 3/5/2005
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-Halo (Better on PC) Exept the fact that Microsoft released Halo 2 at leats 3 year before you are totally bored for play in Xbox but... Better on PC!! Console Fan!!! -MGS3 (Coming Soon 4 PC) and better
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ballz
at 4:40 3/5/2005
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Consoles run at 800x600 c**ks, sony will manage to screw up ps3 graphically same as they did with ps1 an ps2.. xbox3 will be good for graphics until ps3 an revolution come out.. i think alot of people will be surprised as nintendo's console will probably be the most powerful of the three, sony going on about cell and crap.. every one thinks microsoft will own because it had most power in the current round, so far nintendo nintendo has been secretive about there's, only comments they made were
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Anonymous
at 15:45 2/5/2005
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640x480 but you can play on HDTV as it will interpollate your crappy console res to a better hdtv res...
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Anonymous
at 15:42 2/5/2005
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1280x720*
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Anonymous
at 15:41 2/5/2005
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i aslo believe i heard somewhere that consoles run resolutuion of 640x480 (but can obviously go up). The default res is that, but on games such as halo can detect high res tv's and go up to 1280x760 if i remember correctly. I have no expirience with a ps2 though because they suck, but i know for a fact no console out uses 4x aa and 8x af...thats impossible for a console to perform, it would literally break unless ur playing pong or something
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TheKoolGuy
at 15:33 2/5/2005
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gota say tho, i might just get ps3 2 host a nice webserver
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TheKoolGuy
at 15:32 2/5/2005
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what kinda tv were u using chinese guy?
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chinese guy
at 14:14 2/5/2005
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Consoles have crapy gfx.I remember how some console fanboys tried to convience me,that the console gfx are realy only 640x480 but with 4aa and 8af.That for the gfx on consoles should be like 1024x786.But when i watched a game from any console,i could see the jaggines.So the fanboys lied or were owned by the corporations saying crap,and some dumbos believe it.Im pretty sure that any g2 has better gfx than xbox's like g3.Dont forget the higher non interlaced resolutions.So if you wanna play some console games,get a emulator and knock yourself with a cps1 cps2 game out.
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Anonymous
at 12:33 2/5/2005
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didnt take any time at all, i just didnt see ur posts u made above that...i apologize for not seeing that u corrected urself, but if u noticed, most of my post wasnt even concerning u.
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TheKoolGuy
at 12:7 2/5/2005
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Lol, how long did it take you to write that? you're information is out of date. Maybe you should check there haven't been about 5 new posts before you submit yours eh?Only one thing i've said has been wrong, and i corrected it.
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Anonymous
at 11:51 2/5/2005
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Anonymous
at 11:40 2/5/2005
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pc not sp2 sorry
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Anonymous
at 11:39 2/5/2005
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nfs is better on ps2 u d**k. not the crappy 20fps or whatever ps2 plays it at i get 70 - 100fps tomb raider is much better on pc, higher res graphics. and the other games you mention are just plain shit with the exeption of gran turismo
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Anonymous
at 11:24 2/5/2005
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actually GTA is way better on console cos thats wt it was designed 4 f**ktard also may i add that sum great console/ps1/2 titles:Grand Turismo MGS Tomb Raider(well up until a certain point) HALO(way better on xbox) Project Gotham Racing Burnout Need For Speed
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TheKoolGuy
at 11:23 2/5/2005
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a VERY interesting link:http://www.psinext.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6448 It's based on the G70. Apparently they've massively increased power, at a minor loss to programable pipes. However Because this version was designed to interface with the CELL. I'm guessing the cell will handle the programming?
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TheKoolGuy
at 10:45 2/5/2005
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And a quick comment about the reliability of inquirer. They suggested that the G70 would be a massive power hog. Which is very contrary to the content in the sites you've listed below.
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TheKoolGuy
at 10:41 2/5/2005
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lol, i was just about to correct myself about the NV / G change, i remembered a post on that, they renamed it G because it was considered a very large difference form the NV models.However you seem to missunderstand my post on models. You say R500 chip, i was saying that the number will be either or superior to R520. Not that the card wasn't R5xx as you should have written, rather than 'the R500'. Current speculations are that the G70 will come out quite stronger than the ATI R520, which doesn't mean they are speculated at about the same.
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ERT
at 10:31 2/5/2005
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TheKoolGuy, it's pretty much guarenteed that the R500 chip will be in the XBOX2. They have no plans on using the R420 chipset as MS wants the XBOX2 to be compatible with PS3.0 protocol. The R4xx chips do not support it. As for the NV70 as you calim. The intial name for it, and it will change is indeed the G70. Where you are getting your info is beyond me. http://www.techimo.com/newsapp/index.pl?photo=13280 http://www.penstarsys.com/editor/so3d/1h_2005/1h_2005_4.htm Theres some proof. And the links ARE NOT THE INQUIRER. You would be surprised at how many details they do get right though. http://xbox.gamespy.com/xbox/microsoft-xbox/594331p1.html?fromint=1 That's some info on the GPU for the XBOX2. It supports PS3.0! That is not a R400 chipset. They only support PS2.0 http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/4811/First-Details-Inside-the-Xbox-2-Part-1
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theshadow
at 10:19 2/5/2005
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w/e u the GRAPHICS IS AWESOME
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Anonymous
at 10:2 2/5/2005
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can PS3 play old MSX and such games?FU
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TheKoolGuy
at 8:22 2/5/2005
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And don't listen to anything the inquirer tells you. they're usually wrong.
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TheKoolGuy
at 8:20 2/5/2005
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You tit, no one has proof the xbox 360 has an r500, it would be a crap marketing move if it did. Secondly it's an NV70 not a g70 you retard. Also there's again no way to know if they will be neck and neck, espeialy with the unknown cell involvement in the NV70.
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}{unter
at 7:43 2/5/2005
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Other PC great titles -Command & Conquer -World of Warcraft -FarCry (Better on PC) -Call of Duty (better on PC) -Painkiller -Max Payne (Better on PC) -GTA Series (Better on PC) -Quake Series (Better on PC)
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Anonymous
at 6:36 2/5/2005
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Anonymous at 5:21 2/5/2005 and Anonymous at 5:21 2/5/2005, don't worry the guys in those white coats will be coming for you soon enough, youll have a nice padded room that you can smack your heads into all day if you want...f**kin wierd fraks
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Anonymous
at 5:51 2/5/2005
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The G70 looks to be running on 110 or 113 die size. So it won't run as fast in thememory clock or Core Clock speed areana if that turns out to be the case.http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=22917
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Anonymous
at 5:21 2/5/2005
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Dreamcast = Best System. Those Shots look weak, nothing differnet from computer....
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Anonymous
at 5:17 2/5/2005
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FREE EXSPERTION OF SPEECH EVERYONE IS DIFFRENT SO SCREW U ALL, I HAVE ALL CONSOLE N A f**kING MINT ASS PC SO SCREW YOU ALL!!!!
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Anonymous
at 4:35 2/5/2005
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HEY FUCCKHEADS CAN U MAKE A CONSOLE GAMES WITHOUT A PC? Console sucks its for kids like you phedophiles!!!
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Anonymous
at 1:14 2/5/2005
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seen this before, looks remarkably like Doom 3 on the pc
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Anonymous
at 17:37 1/5/2005
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Anonymous
at 17:16 1/5/2005
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some of you people have waaaay too much time on your hands...
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all boring
at 16:53 1/5/2005
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My dad is better than your dad.... blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
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TheKoolGuy
at 14:48 1/5/2005
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apparently the ps3 might show some nice emulation tricks because of the flexibility of the cpu and pc likeness of the gfx card.But it's not always true that there are just as good pcs. The CELL is better than any chip out now or planned this year etc. The graphics will probably be similar however. The ps2 was a duel cpu 300mhz 128-bit core (by duel u cud sned instructions 2 diff bits) because it used a 128bit core and was very efficient, it competed in power with pcs until the 1.2ghz pentium3. which is why it can compete with the xbox.
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Xiaopang
at 14:8 1/5/2005
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resuming:you'll get are high end pc's, servers and rendering farms. what do you consider a super computer?? do you think if a company programes a game for a console every one of these, let's say 20 developers, has a so called
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Xiaopang
at 14:7 1/5/2005
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same here, the guy 2 posts below needs some serious spelling courses. all this wanna-be-cooler-than-other-guys-and-showing-it-with-slang is so cliche. now to the main part.the make believe so overwhelming screenshots are all the same and uninteresting too, like many people have already stated. @king cobra: you say that emulating these so called great games of yours will take so much time that they are already old when pc's can handle them. considering your logic, this means they are only good and worth playing when they are new, which proves they have no interesting features/storyline whatsoever and that they are plain commercial ware for the easily satisfied masses. personally, i play actual games as well as 10 or even 15 year old stuff. a good game is a good game, despite it's age. consoles in the near future won't be able to
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TheKoolGuy
at 13:38 1/5/2005
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whoever said that crap about the r520, both the ps3 and the xbox 360 are based on the models just up from that.And to the real n00b, they're not deving it on a ps3 cos they don't have one bitch. The ps3 is using a model or two up gfx card from the ones the unreal3 dev team said they were using (they were using SLI Geforce6 6800ultras and not gettin a brillient fps rate) The cpu of the ps3 has been demo'd decoding and displaying on HDTV 48 mpeg-2 streams without even using its max power. Tell me your pc or any top pc could do that.
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Anonymous
at 12:4 1/5/2005
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the guy below me vvvvvvwhy dont u try some proper grammar and spelling...Maybe some commas and make the sentences make some sense. I got lost after the first sentence...seriously couldnt understand what u were trying to say.
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Anonymous
at 7:43 1/5/2005
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the guy who made the comment bout laptops erm actually laptops aint gd 4 gaming unless u wanna shell out £2500 4 a gd 1 thatll last 6mnths at the most???? thats wt console r designed so u can go out n play on them also console r purely designed 4 playing games on thats wt there 4 they aint 4 downloading ure porn on2 (thats wt i surmise u meen by pics n vids) so wt if u cant listen 2 music on them oh w8 u can u jst put a cd in2 it also my ps2 is hooked up 2 my monitor so i get the same quality pic as i wud on a pc game ha also
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Anonymous
at 7:26 1/5/2005
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lol what a tit. some1 below (scroll down a bit) says unreal 3 will play better on a ps3 than any pc today.so what u think they are developing unreal 3 on?? a f**king ps3? idiot ;)
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Anonymous
at 7:4 1/5/2005
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few comments. not bad. could be better. and there's already been xbox 360 pics come out that look better. but yes, it is good to see the companies focus on what is important which is gameplay, and they've done this with thier focus on the CPU of thier machines. Now i don't believe cell will replace PC cpu's (at least not AMD :P ). Last of all, let us not forget at the heart of the whole graphics issue, it's really just ATI vs Nvidia again, and maybe we'll have a better idea of what's in store when PC users get the cards that these consoles will be based on. BTW King Cobra way down there, I don't know about you but I own a PC and consoles. And i'm afraid your missing out if you think one or the other is all you need to experience good gaming.
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Anonymous
at 6:3 1/5/2005
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I made a few typing errors...*360
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Anonymous
at 6:2 1/5/2005
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I'll try and get back on topic. For an amazing
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ballz
at 4:42 1/5/2005
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Your all a bunch of fags, clearly nintendo revolution will be the most powerful console of the three.. plus it has wireless controllers standard with touch screens and gyroscopic sensors.. eg. playing a racing game, instead of using analog stick you simple hold the controller in the air infront of you and turn the controller like you would a steering wheel and vwalour.. stick that it your pipes and smoke it bitches!!
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Anonymous
at 2:12 1/5/2005
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Seriously... if you think Xbox 360 will be more powerfull in ANY way then the PS3... then your seriously on something. Stop denying facts in the face of proof.
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1@1.com
at 1:22 1/5/2005
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now listen here all you litte pansy faggots. nothing beats the xbox in the console war. all psx,1,2,3 users stick their dual shock controlers up your ass and jerk off!. you are all gay. i am the best. shit on you!
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Tim
at 0:4 1/5/2005
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Mmmm, nummy nummy! Lookin good Sorny!:D
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Dragon X
at 22:53 30/4/2005
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... lots of stupid comments on this whole thread....anyways, PC and console have great games, that is why i have both. there are games that suck on PC mouse and keyboard, while other are better on controller and such. People tend to forget that when a console launches its more powerful than pcs, cause all its hardware is optimized for grafix and gaming only no other thingies. just see what the xbox is capable of... and it has a freaking @#$ celeron petnium 3 700mhz blend.... unified shared ram of 64 megs.... now imagine 256 or 512 improved ram, 3+ghz 64 bit porcessor and latest gfx optimized...... that is some serious power. both consoles and PC are good, saying one is better is complete crap. I would change most pc games for Armored Core series... then again i would not want to play Counter source on consoles etc. ps3 will be more powerful than average high end pcs, it will be highly efective for multitask and the latest nvidia card cannot be crap like FX series so at least for a year it will be top notch. I own all 3 consoles, and a good enough pc(AMD64 3200+, 512ram,Radeon 9600 O/C'd) so at least i dont carry biased shit.
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Anonymous
at 21:59 30/4/2005
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consoles hold PC potential back. Look at GTA series, great gameplay, crap graphics. Why ? Because they had to make it run on dumb PS2. It's been ages like this
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loser #1
at 21:51 30/4/2005
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anyone who posts here is a loser.
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Anonymous
at 20:54 30/4/2005
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at 19:39 30/4/2005
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if all u fags do is argue about games u really need to get out ur parents basement..
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TheKoolGuy
at 17:27 30/4/2005
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to pro develope on most consoles, they can use a pc but it has a built in connection / boards to the actual hardware their programming for. So it gives them extra resources to debug etc but allows them to see the exact results.
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TheKoolGuy
at 17:25 30/4/2005
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The thing is, if you look at screenshots from other games, the graphics really varie. You can tell by the low polygons in some games. The shaders seem awsome tho. Don't forget, the ps3 basically has a geforce 7 gfx card, so it cant be that bad. Games are in an early stage of delvelopement, and so none use the ps3's full potential. The ps3 currently, could run Unreal3 FAR better than any pc on the market. http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/741/741151/img_2710334.html The impressive thing is how much of this gfx it can do. It can support imense ammount of objects and individual mobs / patterns etc. That's anothrgreat aspect of realism that a pc o ps2 or xbox just cant handle. Yay ps3 is getting half life 2 :P http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/702/702492/img_2736788.html http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/702/702492/img_2736798.html there's a lot of nice high-dynamic lighting going on. That's only just being implemented into future updates of hl2. My favorite two: http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/744/744412/img_2745088.html http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/744/744412/img_2745070.html
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Smarter this guy
at 17:18 30/4/2005
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Anonymous
at 17:6 30/4/2005
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first post! yay!
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Anonymous
at 16:43 30/4/2005
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so this is the 51st flame war on whats better pc or console the consoles cost less have some good games and are enjoyable sometimes the pcs have higher cost do more things and have keyboard and mouse the games differ alot and depends what you like you will all ways get more diverse games on pc becuase more ppl make pc games then console its true and that screenshot doesnt really tell you anything about the game
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Anonymous
at 16:33 30/4/2005
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PEOPLE WHO ARGUES CONSOLES ARE THE BEST THING EVER INVENTED IN THE WORLD, YOU SIR ARE A SPOILED RICH BRAT!WHAT THE HELL! $49.99 JUST TO PLAY ANY ON-LINE GAME ON XBOX OR PS2? $50 FOR AN XBOX GAME? PC will always have bitorrent and mIRC. Console owners will always have their parent's money to sponge off.
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Anonymous
at 16:14 30/4/2005
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is that mans crotch bleeding in this picture...?oh god.
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Anonymous
at 15:24 30/4/2005
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GUYS if u want to see real graphics of PC future goto gamespot.com find the review for UT2004 and in there is a free stream of a video featuring the Unreal Engine 3.0 that is the real graphics future.
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Anonymous
at 14:27 30/4/2005
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whats this screen shot is suposed to proof?
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Anonymous
at 13:58 30/4/2005
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I remember that face of the old man in ps2 early tech demos. I remember the way every muscle on his face moved when it smiled.What I don't remember is seeing any actual games that used this. I think these ps3 screens are pretty much the same thing tbh.
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Anonymous
at 13:46 30/4/2005
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fightfirewithfire
at 12:47 30/4/2005
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no need to argue about console and pc,if i had much money i would buy console and its games,but pc is diferent first,u can do everything in pc al ur mind is projected in ur pc.ur movies ur musics ur pics ur all life,console is only for playing game maybe if u haf much money to buy dvd movies u can watch, no harddisk to save ur files in it in console. and console games i played a few,u run in a place to find a lock or the way to go next level,it is realy boring,but i always wish to play gran turismo 4 ,it is perfect game. at last i wanna say don't argue about this case,it is about money,if u haf much money buy both,don't choose one of them, buy both of them and both of them's games.
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Anonymous
at 12:5 30/4/2005
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xbox geeks can just die. you're pwn3d!
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Rash
at 11:4 30/4/2005
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looks crp really. xbox graphics look lik that now BUT its better if we had a VIDEO to see coz screenshots never do a game justice
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Anonymous
at 10:49 30/4/2005
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Unless your a PS2 user who had to buy another one since they break easily.
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Anonymous
at 10:48 30/4/2005
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PC homebrews are way better than consul homebrews.Consuls nothing more than rehash of space invaders, arkanoid, and mario with differnt skins.
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Anonymous
at 9:46 30/4/2005
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consoles r fun and less troublesome than pc's. However they will always have lesser power. maybe 360>ps3 maybe the other way around. You cant say such things only because youre an xbox or ps fan. Anyways even if cell becomes a revolution or the new xbox processor, only a few months and pc's will again take the crow wiht another gen of hardware. COnsoles however take a few years to switch gen, so they are always behind in the long run.
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Anonymous
at 9:24 30/4/2005
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oh well, i fele i have to say something as all the megagames followers seem to ofmy opinion (and i don't care if anyone agrees with me or not, but at least its unbiased) to me i prefer playing things like halo on a pc cuz i can't aim with a gamepad, but then everyother game except for first person and statergy? games i prefer a gamepad, so i think both are good, but saying that, if a pc and a games console were around the same price, i'd go for the pc, even tho it normally has less games and stuff, because at least i can use the pc for other things, how many people here are bitching about pc's on there modded console? hrmm?
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Anonymous
at 9:12 30/4/2005
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Xbox 360>PS3
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OMG LAME!
at 8:58 30/4/2005
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To continue the PC titles that totally own: -Gothic series -Baldurs Gate series (not dark allience thou:P console crap) -Splinter cell series And look at the upcoming titles, even compare their graphics if u want.. Age of Empires 3, Gothic 3, Oblivion (though tis is not the best representative for graphics). All to come Iq 2006, way before nGen cons games will be done. And im done. No sense to talk more. Consoles are for those in favour of quick mindrelaxing action, PC are for those prefaring a more complex, complicated sometimes mind pushing experiance (excluding Final F).
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OMG LAME!
at 8:53 30/4/2005
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for anyone still thinking possesion will own, or its gfx will own... follow this link: http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/706/706274/img_2736681.html . I think The house of the dead has similar graphics. Regards to all PC lovers!
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Anonymous
at 8:46 30/4/2005
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Who the f--k wants to play tekken 5or 6 or 7 who gives a crap,virtua fighter lmao,must have been another 14year old kid post his crap idea's of good games,well if he's not GROW UP dumba--,hum i wonder how he posted his comments,bet it was'nt on his gamecube...lol
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Stefan
at 8:42 30/4/2005
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...oh I forgot...there's also GTA
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Stefan
at 8:36 30/4/2005
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Well that's the thing. People don't buy PC games and that's why excellent games are rarely released on PC. Companies don't profit off PCs a lot these days. Nonetheless, I'll stick with my PC that will probably still be better than any PS10 or Xbox blah. Now, there have been a lot of successful series on the PC: - NFS Series - Doom Series - Half-Life and Counterstrike - Prince of Persia - Rollerocaster Tycoon - Command and Conquer - Unreal - plus many others So before you start ranting and saying useless crap, think first.
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Anonymous
at 8:23 30/4/2005
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Consoles are for people who wants to waste money buying games.PCs are for smart people whole download games for FREE. End of the debate. PC wins, console owners loses money. DONE!
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TheKoolGuy
at 7:37 30/4/2005
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lol, a 2004 can't have that unless u have an SLI 6800 setup. But if you read carefully, it's gunna b able to have loads of them at once. To prove it, look at all the screenies for different games at ps3.ign.com
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Anonymous
at 6:40 30/4/2005
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i hate mario http://netbux.org/?r=26857
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Captionforpicture
at 5:57 30/4/2005
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Sometimes in magazine you well see little contest like this. What I mean is
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DarkGaz52
at 4:19 30/4/2005
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Kyoushu get ure facts str8t they dont test on PCs( which stands 4 personal computer) they use Super Computers 4 the job u dumb ass
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furzdirindenhals
at 4:18 30/4/2005
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that's bullshit! Imagine how that picture's goin' to look on a TV! Like shit! How do u want to play an action game on a console without a mouse and a keyboard? i can't understand people who buy consoles.
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GanniKill
at 4:2 30/4/2005
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that picture is totally bullshit. a 2004 can be like that. take doom 3. if a ps3 will have that type of gfx i won't buy it for sure. better stick to a pc than spending money on a worthless console
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Kyoushu
at 3:18 30/4/2005
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Dear Console FanboysAll of your systems have their pros and cons, but the fact is all their technology is based on r&d carried out on PCs. PCs are the testing grounds for pretty much every piece of computing hardware, you owe the existence of your consoles to them. Because of this, PCs will always be two steps ahead of the latest greatest console. It's not an opinion, it's fact. Oh yeah, before I forget, a keyboard and mouse vs console controller on ANY fps will leave the console gamer with a bleeding asshole.
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DarkGaz52
at 0:43 30/4/2005
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1)God of War for ps2 looks f**king way better than that 2)i like pc games n ps2 games i like the diffrences between the 2 3)am jst gunna add this 4 king cobra RTS f**king rule they only reason u dunt like them is cos they dont conver well on2 console go out get a pc (if u dunt hav 1) n start playing Rome:Total War it f**king rules 4)all games hav 2 b set in a time frame weather it b in the future, past or present even if its a alternate relaty who gives a f**k if u enjoy the game play it 5)RPG r kwl well GW is kwl its internet based its free n any1 can play so go suck on that
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tim
at 21:22 29/4/2005
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Few comments. R500 is basicly same as R520 coming for PC. I'd assume its stripped for lower prices aswell as optimized to work with Xbox hardware such as its eDRAM.I strongly dislike consoles. I'm a PC user and can not afford a console. People who think I'll get a console with a value of 3 PC's for 500$ - impression that Sony and microsoft will try to give, will pay 500$ now, and 40$ for every next game they buy. All this download halo 2 maps and pay shit. +anti piracy ? no modding ? There are SAT services offered, get a dish, subscription and a tuner for 1$ or less. Amazing offer ? Now they pay 20$ monthly fee and with few months they tripple its value, simply sad how people fall for it
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Anonymous
at 21:15 29/4/2005
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that is sooo nice screenshot i want taht game now!
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Anonymous
at 21:1 29/4/2005
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i doubt its a ps3 render. Why ? has anyone heard of Nvidia having ready with its GPU ?looks like a casual render from 3d app for me, best case a pc engine render.
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Anonymous
at 20:23 29/4/2005
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xbox, ps2 and gamecube render games differently than pc. Thats why tyey dont play good. Xbox uses DirectX, but its a special version made specifically for it, and isnt the same as the pc version. So having someone make a program that emulates the xbox directx rendering is going to be hard. All those complaining, go try and make one urself...thought so u cant. It is the same with ps2 and gamecube, but those dont even use directx. It makes it harder to make it render something different. Conclusion: Console games arent emulated well because they arent rendered the same as pc!!!
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Anonymous
at 19:56 29/4/2005
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the amount of ignorance in this thread is amusing and sad
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Anonymous
at 19:51 29/4/2005
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to the guy below me...in my opinion there are alot of games on consoles that are alot more fun than most pc games and i have a good computer. you probably dont like the games he mentioned because the pc dont have em...or your on crack or something because THOSE ARE GOOD GAMES there are certain thngs that will be better for consoles and there will be things that will be done better on PC and thats why the pc will never get the games he mentioned whether you like those games is a matter of opinion but those games have been given good ratings by alot of ppl and for games that arent on pc controllers are fine(and yes i know pc can use controls)and to the point of emulation...you made some good points but it WILL be along time before you get those games emulated smoothly whether you like it or not...otherwise someone would already have done it.
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Anonymous
at 19:42 29/4/2005
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Anonymous
at 19:38 29/4/2005
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anybody vr see an xbox with a 3GHz cpu, 1 gig of ram, a GOOD gfx card, Windows, mouse+keyboard, dvd-rw drive, and a LARGE hard drive all in one? I haven't. xbox 2 isnt even released yet and computers already surpassed it easily. Xbox 2 plans on having the new ATi r500 in it as the gfx card. PC is already getting an r520 in end of May...amazing...And all this crap about a cell processor...it isnt gonna be that great. Id much rather stick an athlon 64 x2 in my computer than one of those pieces of crap.
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Anonymous
at 19:34 29/4/2005
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sry kinf cobra, u got everything COMPLETELY backwards1) PC is better in every way. Mouse + Keyboard will beat a damn f*ckin controller any day in history. 2) PC has a LOT of better games than a console, and no, not all of them are copies of those themes by any means...There are TONS of different kinds of games. 3)Only someone without a good pc says stuff like this. 4) All the games u mentioned sux 5)Playstation (1+2+probably 3) suck 6)You know why those games dont emulate well? because they are WAY different than a computer game. Once u get into 3D gfx, everything is rendered on different platforms differently. B4 u post, at least know what ur talking about. 7) Ur a complete idiot
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Anonymous
at 19:18 29/4/2005
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Anonymous
at 18:43 29/4/2005
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oops, I meant to make that
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Dhaos
at 18:38 29/4/2005
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Kobra, not all P.C. games are like that, though I will admit that the past few P.C. games to come out haven't been the best, but what about the already good games that are out. I'll give you 5 that don't fall in line with those:1: Fallout Series, a brilliant storyline with great gameplay, though old, I myself never considered graphics making a game. In order for a game to truly shine, it needs good gameplay and storyline. 2: Xcom Series, an early but great strategy series, though not as strategic as Starcraft or Command and Conquer, it is still good. 3: Thief series, thief is one of the greatest stealth/action games I've ever played, next to Metal Gear series, and it still continues to send chills up my spine, and since you didn't exactly specify what kind of gun, that should eliminate thief from your list because you get a bow, not a gun. 4: Secret of Monkey Island, a great puzzle game with an interesting storyline, though its tough, its not impossible. 5: Heroes of Might and Magic series, another great strategic series that only requires the intelligence of an eight year old to play, that is assuming that you older than eight Kobra. A nice blend of strategic combat with rpg gameplay, its a shame its license had to be sold, watch Ubisoft, who know owns the license, not even use it, just like what EA did to Dungeon Keeper and System Shock. I've always been a fan of both console and pc. And as for Ninja Gaiden, DMC, FF10, etc, those can be made for P.Cs. also, though I am unsure as to why SquareEnix hasn't made a FF for the P.C. in years (poor sales maybe?). But whatever the case, only time will tell if these next gen consoles truly defeat consoles.
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Anonymous
at 18:37 29/4/2005
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King Cobra is a fuucking GAYMER!
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Anonymous
at 18:36 29/4/2005
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King Cobra at 17:42 29/4/2005Does your fuccking console have LINUX, PHOTOSHOP, Solitaire?
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Anonymous
at 17:53 29/4/2005
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just ignore king cobra, hes a poor boy that can't afford consuls and pc and has to run to the local library to post his useless rants that has no basis of truth.
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Anonymous
at 17:52 29/4/2005
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King Cobra at 17:42 29/4/2005Those games f**king suck, I played Kingdom Hearts for about 10 minutes and had to vomit because of shitty camera angles. The voice acting in Final Fantasy 10 sucked diarreah to the point I didn't want to play anymore. Ninja Gaiden was okay same with Devil May Cry but everyone knows Japanese games are 75% cut scenes so they can make room for a stupid plot. Doom, World War 2, Star Craft and MMORPGs are cool, if everyone thought like you, then they wouldn't exsist but obviously not everyone is a soy sauce sucking anime dork like you.
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Anonymous
at 17:50 29/4/2005
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king cobra gave me the biggest laugh I have had in weeks...good waste of space dude.
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King Cobra
at 17:42 29/4/2005
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Blag... PC gamers ENVY consoles. Why? PC gamers in all these years all they got is FPS, RTS, MMRPGs... They are good genres but its time for a change... PC will never see an action title like Ninja Gaiden or Devil May Cry, or an RPG like Final Fantasy 10 or Kingdom Hearts, or a good racing game like Gran Turismo 4...All you get is different themed DOOM clones. World War 2, futuristic etc... its all the same... Also RTS since Star Crft made million of dollars now every company have a clone with a different theme... stupid and old... What about MMORPGs? Since everquest ppl have been wasting time in those glorified chat rooms with some action elements... But the PC
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Anonymous
at 17:37 29/4/2005
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this is for ps people not for cuked up idiotic xobox/microosft lovers. obviously you have not had a look at the ps3's specs which are going to far outstrip and console and maybe even any pc! this thing has lots of potential only thing is i believe that ibm may be currently working on brining this tech to pc which means that amd and intel have alot of work to do or have to spend alot of money for the tech.
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Anonymous
at 16:31 29/4/2005
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Crapy graphics right their, Just look at that Car Model for the Next Xbox, and compare it to this one, Which would you rather
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Anonymous
at 15:38 29/4/2005
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i think this time things might be a bit different...i dont mean graphics wise..of cource the pc wil catch up in 6 months..but the cell processor i believe may even substitute intel and amd..it seems to be VERY strong..we will just have to wait and see
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Perseus643
at 15:27 29/4/2005
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Pointless PC technology will develop also
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Anonymous
at 15:21 29/4/2005
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Nothing we pc users havnt seen for 5 years or so,,, Again...nothing to see.
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Anonymous
at 15:13 29/4/2005
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how shit, a shitty rendered model on a black background?They should stop f**king around and post something that's actual ingame. Nearly as lame as posting FMV screenshots. I mean if your going to show screenshots, make sure they are either worth posting, or reveal gameplay elements. Pointless.
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Petros
at 14:40 29/4/2005
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hmm interesting, i think ill wait till the PS3 is made and i can see in front of me before ill judge though, never have been a console guy ;)Bless
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z4phire
at 14:32 29/4/2005
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second =D
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