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Name: Email: Comments: Input text above here     james bond (the actor) at 18:42 24/6/2005 realy good to play halo 1, two and all the james bond games !!! hugo at 18:39 24/6/2005 I need a FREE Xbox360 to play halo 1 and 2 when Xbox360 release. jeel at 0:30 5/6/2005 i need a free xbox360 when it is released Uber Gerbil at 6:51 13/5/2005 Have to wonder where that retard AJAX is hiding? Guess he's gone in hiding after everyone has burned his sorry ass. Anonymous at 6:43 13/5/2005 We will how MS does with XBOX360. The specs for the next GAMECUBE look just as, if not more impressive. SAME GRAPHIC CORE BUT USING DUAL CHIPS ALL AROUND. Sounds good to me. mike at 4:29 13/5/2005 Let me be the first in predicting a great shortage of this console when it comes out that will keep prices high. Recon there gonna have real difficulties getting decent yeilds on that multi-core cpu and the gpu. Remember the difficulties ati and nvidia had getting out the nv40 and r420 in decent qualtities. Anonymous at 14:10 12/5/2005 we are all acting like these spec's are fact. wake up and smell the coffee... right now can see clips and screenshots of games for the x-box 360. THEY LOOK GREAT!!! for consoles, the best i have ever seen, but they are at the same level that i am gaming right now on my pc (yes my pc is high end). so why put in 3 symmetrical cores at 3.2 GHz each? today if you go out and buy an x-box microsoft will lose money on that unit. it is right now impossible to buy all of those parts for that price (even if you buy in great bulk). so how much more will it be for the x-box 360. one of the biggest rumours is that you will buy different levels of x-box 360 or they all start with one cpu and you can buy the other two as an upgrade. this would alow microsoft not to lose so much money and bring the starting cost of those units to a better level. we already know they are doing this with the hard drive, maybe it will be for alot of other upgrades as well. simon at 13:6 12/5/2005 Actually it was a cross..it had more vertex shaders and pixel shader support then the Geforce3 model..higher clock speed and memory clock speed also. It was actually better then the MX440 chip Nvidia tried to pawn off as a Geforce4! That bullshit chip had the same memory controller and memory interface as the Geforce2. THE xbox GPU WAS CUTTING EDGE AT THE TIME OF RELEASE. It was a good GPU. simon at 13:3 12/5/2005 ...continued... It was not too long ago that GDD3 was only used for Ultra high-End GPU's. As for 14 pixel pipelines and the XBOX 360. Please give us REAL FACTS TO PROVE THIS! Links would help. Because the GPU is indeed the R500, then that would seem foolish considering the X800 series of GPU's use 16 pixel pipelines. MS and ATI would just keep the X800 gpu as the pipeline count would be higher. And cheaper to produce. And pipeline configurations are normally in factors of 4. Where did you get this 14 pixel pipeline Anonymous at 12:57 12/5/2005 hmmm hybrid of geforce 3 and 4 u say ..dont u mean not has good like a budget model? simon at 12:52 12/5/2005 AJAX or Anonymous, whoever you are. You are very correct in one statement. High-End chips only account for 1% of sales for GPU companies. They do not make their money there. However, what you fail to realise is the High-End market fuels the bargin chips. Why? Because those High-End chips give that company who has the fastest GPU, bragging rights. OEM's look at this and in turn purchase the lower end line or intergrated chipsets based on that Macarhitecture advertising it's power pedigree. And it is certain MS will not make a profit on each XBOX 360 sold. They never made a profit from the XBOX. Nor did Sony and the PS1 and PS2. Only Nintendo follows a profit per console sold model. Look at it this way. When the Xbox was first produced. Nvidia supplied the GPU for it. A hybrid Geforce3 and 4 chip. NV25 if iam not mistaken. The cost to put those chips in each Xbox with all the other hardware at the time, cost more then the selling retail price. hOWEVER, ms COULD NEVER SELL THE xbox for what it cost to make the XBOX at the time. That would have cost upwards $700US. For a profit that is. Even when 2-3 years passed and hardware prices fell, the Xbox still lost money on each one sold. Simply because the RETAIL cost of the Xbox also declined due to market demand and competion from it's direct competitors. Nintendo and Sony. If MS changes it's model, and does indeed make a profit from each console sold, i will be surprised. Considering what type of hardware that is going in that box. Even when Sony streamlined the PS2, they still make a loss on each unit sold. As for GDDR3. It still is costly. Not as much as it's debut in 2002. And yes we all know that it was the brainchild of ATI and Samsung. But the cost is still there compared to other forms of memory. Of course it's mass produced, what the populus on this forum are say, GDDR3 for consoles is new stepping ground. As a matter of fact, also for most GPU's. It was not too long ago that GDD3 was only used for Ultra high-End G Anonymous at 12:45 12/5/2005 Ajax!!!!! im feed up of your microsoft fanboydom the specs of 1.4 ghz and a geforce 4 where official till they werent so stop bumming bill gates simon at 12:9 12/5/2005 "Intel still rules when it comes to servers. Xenon is still the best. Itanium also bitch ass." Anonymous at 10:19 12/5/2005: Please SHOW us where XEONS outpreform the New dual core Operton chipsets in most functions. I gave you actual links for curent XEON chipsets vs. Operton and other AMD64 BIT cores. In almost every single apllication, INCLUDING ENCODING AND RENDERING, new Operton chipsets outperform or match XEON processors. IN MOST CASES, OUTPERFORMING. Which ironically, the XEON processors have higher clock speed ratings. Where Intel USE to dominate was in Multi-thread applications. No more. Not only has AMD supported this feature in the Hammer chipsets, they have bested Intel at it's own game. Look at the results. Proven by all websites. Don't just give me your 12 year old rebutal about "Intel rules" Give us proof. If not. Then go play with your G.I. JOE Action Figures. Give us a intelligent discussion. At this point, you cannot. As I rant on, I stand corrected in saying that you must be a employee of Intel. Intel in no way, shape or form would hire a 12 year old fanboy like yourself that tries to articulate his or her argument using terms such as "bitch ass" or "rules" Anonymous at 11:32 12/5/2005 ajax everyone knows the last three comments were all you Anonymous at 10:19 12/5/2005 My friend you are the reason why cousins should not marry Intel still rules when it comes to servers. Xenon is still the best. Itanium also bitch ass. capatin dark meat at 10:17 12/5/2005 GDDR3 is not expensive anymore you morons, it has reached massive production a while ago. GDDR3 was actually created by ATI and Samsung. Everyone thinks that it cost bundles to make chips, when in actual facts it cost peanuts. Research is the most expensive aspect of it all. Manufactures create it for peanuts and sell it for 10X the prices thats how the industry works. Listen the Xbox 360 has 14 pixel pipeline and 48 shader pipelines like AJAX said. AJAX at 10:13 12/5/2005 Anonymous at 8:40 12/5/2005 you talk like you are on the executive board of these companies. Everyone knows that graphic companies don't earn shit with high-end segment and the real money is at the low end mid end part. Of course Microsoft will make profit off each XBOX 360. Shader pipelines and Pixel pipelines are two different things completely. I don't know if you know this but the specs are official. You're small mind is wondering why is microsoft selling this tech for only $600 when it is worth a lot more, well they will make money from the massive accumulation of sales plus acessories, games etc. Which is going to sell more ATI and Nvidia's next gen GPU for the PC or XBOX 360, figure this out first. Just remember it doesn't have to be out on PC first. simon at 9:41 12/5/2005 All consoles except for the GameCube and the N64 made a profit for each console sold. That profit however, is like $1-$3 if anything. Consoles make their profit gains vs. their losses by the software they sell. Of course the chips they purchase are cheaper then the retail cost of the card itself. However, they buy them by the thousands. (Chip Boards) In the end, the whle console:CPU, GPU, SOUND BOARDS, ETC. Cost more then the cost of the console itself. Software sales for that particular console elevates the profit loss. And GDD3 is quite expensive. The cost is once again offset by software sales. Anonymous at 8:45 12/5/2005 AJAX at 6:10 12/5/2005 Here you go you dumb Anonymous at 21:54 11/5/2005 f**k, this is how much ATI spends on a GPU. f**k there are so many pieces of shit in here. http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=22478 has i said cheap crappy cards not some super chip that isnt even out yet oh have u any idea how much gdr 3 his Anonymous at 8:40 12/5/2005 ajax i cant stress how much of a spaz u really ARE if u believe that then theres no hope for u its a fact that competition is tuff that means that profit margins are tight and they do cost a shit load of money just not quite what they charge ...only budget cards are the money makers high end cards are very small profit makers to simply to show who is best so just shut it ajax and wait and see ive seen generation after generation of games consoles all of em exagerate the specs to create a frenzy in the public simon at 7:56 12/5/2005 "Oh yes and I am surpise no one is looking at the r500 on this thing 48 pipe lines holy shit that is better than r520 and plz correct me if i am wrong about that." The R500 will more likely have 24 pixel pipelines. The high-end PC counterpart for ATI will have 24-32. The R520 or it's 6 month refresh part. The big difference here is the embedded DRAM that comes with the R500. "christ sake we all know the Xenon CPUS are the best anyway." LMFAO. You must work for Intel. Only a employee for Intel would make such a statement. Intel spends $$$$$$ on advertising touting it's performance for all it's chips. However, when it comes to REAL WORLD PEROFORMANCE and not P.R. propaganda, AMD dual cores, Workstation or desktop variants, puts a smack down on Intels chips. XEONS included. For video encoding i assume you mean Intels dominance...Right, AJAX? Not anymore right now. As for gaming, AMD's new 64bit dual core chipsets puts Xeons to absolute shame. Then again, ALL AMD CHIPS DO THIS TO INTEL. And is it not gaming that brings us to this forum???? Why would anyone purchase a XEON proccessor for gaming when a single core AMD 64 X2 chipset destroys it?? http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q2/opteron-x75/index.x?pg=14 http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q2/opteron-x75/index.x?pg=10 http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q2/athlon64-x2/index.x?pg=5 Look at the numbers. The XEON processors are at the very bottom of the charts in all gaming! http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q2/athlon64-x2/index.x?pg=9 http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q2/opteron-x75/index.x?pg=7 Dude, i have no idea where you are getting your fact. XEONS "WERE" once dominate when AMD just brought out their dual Operton cores, 2 years ago! Times have changed. These numbers and many more prove it. Just go to Hardocp.com or Anandtech.com to compare numbers. You will see. Anonymous at 7:23 12/5/2005 who thinks that the RRP of the xbox360 will be between $400 and $700 american? Anonymous at 7:21 12/5/2005 lol AJAX me and you are both posting at the same time Anonymous at 7:20 12/5/2005 all i know is... im going to start saving tomorrow AJAX at 7:20 12/5/2005 The G70 is Nvidia's desktop version, the PS3 will get the watered down version of it. G70 is not new just a refresh of the 6800 series. The G80 will be new. Anonymous at 7:18 12/5/2005 how about all of you people just stop bitching and wait for it to be released, and that thing with the free xbox live.. i think with the no online multiplayer in the silver version mean no online RPG shit... like fable on xbox sortof Anonymous at 7:15 12/5/2005 two new thing thata i havent know before havent heard either. Audio: Mulitchannel? what is this?? and 700MNZ??? what is this. i know i have heard about Multichannel and Megahertz MNz. Do you can explain what is it about? Anonymous at 7:15 12/5/2005 two new thing thata i havent know before havent heard either. Audio: Mulitchannel? what is this?? and 700MNZ??? what is this. i know i have hear about Multichannel and Megahertz MNS. Do you can explain what is it about? Anonymous at 7:8 12/5/2005 Stephen at 18:18 10/5/2005 it is backwards compatible. Go to the inquirer.net. They and techreport have the info on it. Also Digitimes.com Anonymous at 7:7 12/5/2005 Anonymous at 16:12 10/5/2005 just the fact that the XB0X360 has embedded DRAM is quite impressive. Your PC setup is no where close to that of the XBOX360. That system is running multiple cpu cores. Very much like the PS3 will have. Now, will the PS3 and Nvidia have the G70 with EMBEDDED DRAM in it also? AJAX at 6:10 12/5/2005 Here you go you dumb Anonymous at 21:54 11/5/2005 f**k, this is how much ATI spends on a GPU. f**k there are so many pieces of shit in here. http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=22478 AJAX at 6:5 12/5/2005 It does cost $25 to 30 bucks to make, then they sell for $200-$300 bucks that is their profit jackass. A lot of people in here don't know shit. You think it cost AMD $300 to make a CPU you're an idiot. Sony was the only one loosing money, XBOX2 broke even. The Gamecube was the only one making profit. Anonymous at 5:48 12/5/2005 Wait for the Revolution, and everyone will see what is the best... Zilchius at 2:29 12/5/2005 Every consoule looses money. They all make money off of the software alone. A few speculations to the new games is that they'll be $60-$70, another new thing (with XBox) is that you can get a game for $30, but you'll be paying (via microtransactions) throught the whole thing. As an example for the loosing money on consoules though, the PSP cost's $34.99. After they pay for managment, labor, advertising, shipping, packaging, and the whole bit, they're losing $50 per system. At a price of $300, you can see how the actual price of parts isn't exactly a big deal. Anonymous at 23:17 11/5/2005 Why are people comparing prices on hardwares based on how u buy them? Microsoft will be buying these part at a lower cost than individual prices. Do u really believe they havent thought about how the prices will affect the sales of the xbox 360? Sure they might loose some money on producing them, but their main concern is the same as the one on their first xbox. Getting the consoles out to the consumer. Most of the concsole company generates most of their profit through software anyway. and without software this is just vaporware. They lost alot of money making and selling the first xbox, but despite that they made it succesful for their first gaming console. Besides, Microsoft is extremely rich and smart. They have the ability to make these systems cost less. Dont speculate on the price. They've most likely come up with a fair price for this system. If not then ur not really loosing anything are u? since u wont buy them anyway. I definitely will. Anonymous at 21:54 11/5/2005 ajax u are a total spaz it doesnt cost 25 to 30 bucks to makes gpus more like 200-300 for top end ones like ati and nvidias Anonymous at 21:52 11/5/2005 yes folks all this can be yours for only 99999999999 dollars AJAX at 20:51 11/5/2005 To person below, you seem to be mixed up. Apple CPUs are different than XBOX 360 CPU. There isn't 48 pixel pipelines there are only 14,however there are 48 bit precision shader units per pipe. There are currently 512MB video cards available. Think about it how much does it cost to make the best GPU and CPU chip nowsadays $24-45 bucks. The whole XBOX 360 only really cost $200 to make, microsoft will sell it for $600 seems smart to me. Anonymous at 20:19 11/5/2005 These specs sounds way too flashy and smells accordingly, here's why: -3.2ghz ppc chip? ibm was only supposed to get up to 3ghz by the end of this summer and it'll be their highest end chip. apple only got a 2.7ghz version for their rigs. and xb2 all of a sudden has a triple-core 3.2 ghz per core setup? hmm -512mb gddr3 mem? looking at the new vid cards, including ATI's 512 setup run at over $800 a pop and here we're supposed to have it inside a console. hmm #2 -48pipe ati chip? if that's so then ati's xb2 setup jeopardizes their pc market which is their most important and biggest part of income. not smart and we also have to note that they only plan to release their 32pipe radeon this summer, quite a while (though, doesn't mean they don't have a prototype). -then you add all this wireless shit, HDD, 32bit sound (comparable to a near-pro level sound card setup available for pc/mac in $600+ range.) looking at this specs i begin to wonder if there's even a 1% of truth in them or yet another marketing ploy as we've seen with xb and ps2 launch. or unless ibm and ati got many billions of $$$ from M$ to only develop cool technology for them...that's smell quite a bit too... with this king of specs i'd expect our nice lil xb2 to run in $2000-3500 range taking into account relative prices of the components and knowing they won't be available for quite some time to a general consumer. seeing that devs get lots of green on games we can probably lower total console margin to say $1500-2500 which is generally a good price for a such hi-end setup but doesn't that defeat the general consumer's drive to buy a console than an expensive pc? i also doubt M$ want to lose lots of money on its new console so it's either the console will be rather expensive or those specs are siberian snake shit. anyway, i'll only believe this when either real confirmed spex come out or when M$ releases a price margine for their new machine. btw, the several next-gen console game movies that c Anonymous at 19:19 11/5/2005 sounds good lets hope it doesnt come out to soon or it might go the way of the dreamcast releasing consoles to frequently sink consoles AJAX at 18:53 11/5/2005 Dual core cannot be compared to multi core. Multi-core will always have better performance. Windows XP won't be running XBOX 360, XP looks at dual core as just one core, where as the software running the XBOX 360 will work three CPU's as three CPU's not just one. For christ sake we all know the Xenon CPUS are the best anyway. The coolest part is the unified shaders though Sinisterambo at 17:4 11/5/2005 Best thing ever! -=amoeba=- at 13:48 11/5/2005 I think it looks good and if it has good "games", yes you all forgot that great specs are nothing with out the games to play them on, it might be great! Anonymous at 13:32 11/5/2005 "triple core means that it has the processing capability of 3 CPU's inside 1 CPU" Not exactly true, since the dual core processors dotn give any real performance upgrade until u do some multitasking. Otherwise its almost the same. AND YES, XBOX 360 "IS" BACKWARD COMPATABLE and if this thing really has 3 cpus, and an r500, its gonna be damn expensive. Is it 3 cpu's adding up to 3.2GHz? or 3x3.2GHz cpu's @ 9.6GHz? Anonymous at 10:31 11/5/2005 Wow nice specs but it seems a bit of a waste on a console thats gonna plug into a low res tv hmm.Oh yeah of course MS are gonna be selling them at a loss!Is that news to anyone? duh They make all the money back on the damn games ya fool!sony did it and made 5 quid on every single game sold(about 10 bucks for the yanks), even if they had nothing to do with the game only look at it..THEY ALL SELL THEYRE CONSOLES AT A LOSS!!!Count up how much all those console games you bought cost you and then THINK! DOH Anonymous at 10:19 11/5/2005 they have had several typo's in that so i wouldent trust the #*non star deal plus Anonymous at 7:11 11/5/2005 its not a triple core its a dual core but it has 3 CPU's big diffrence triple core means that it has the processing capability of 3 CPU's inside 1 CPU 3 dual core procesers mean that it has 3 seprate CPU's each one can process 2 times what a average CPU can process nf1n1ty at 8:46 11/5/2005 yeah that free x-box live version is a big prank IMO... no multiplayer gaming! Anonymous at 7:58 11/5/2005 Did anyone notice that that 'free' XboX live version DOESN'T INCLUDE ONLINE MULTIPLAYER?! Check the asterisk. No asterisk. No multiplayer function for free. You'll have to get that gold version. Anonymous at 7:11 11/5/2005 A triple-core 3.2GHz hey?...in November...in a video game console...I guess Intel and AMD have there work cut out for them...this is good news for the PC world...finally the two companies will be forced to stop with-holding this technology from consumers. Anonymous at 6:31 11/5/2005 Eat it Sony and Nintendo! Anonymous at 4:24 11/5/2005 Why is the xbox 360 white? Is microsoft racist? Why cant there be a black xbox? Anonymous at 3:24 11/5/2005 looks like an apple imitator lol RichGC at 2:34 11/5/2005 Wait for it to come out, go try it, and then make a judgement whether you like it. Anonymous at 0:13 11/5/2005 Unless this thing is Backwards Compatible I'm NOT touching it! The first Xbox was fugly enough $ this one ain't much prettier....Don't know if my entertainment center can withstand that much ugly...might explode!!! Besides I'm too sexy for ugly consoles, they cramp my style PS I hate the new white color!! (Kill whitey!) Anonymous at 23:34 10/5/2005 3x3.2ghz CPU? What? ?????? at 23:30 10/5/2005 Look ok but i stay buy my buyers guide Never buy a console thats more than 199$ And never buy a hand held that's over 99$ Tyrvidar at 22:45 10/5/2005 Great system, Price is a diffrent story though... Microsoft is losing money if this thing is cheaper then 600 or 700$ that is for sure. Maybe in 2 years it will be in a sub 500$ range but not now. The specs you see now can change and both PS2 and Xbox had specs that far exceded what they actually turned out to be prior to their release. This should be interesting. I would not get my hopes up. PC > Consoles. Your Mom at 22:44 10/5/2005 Isnt it funny how Microsoft suddenly makes this decision to make X-Box Live free right after Nintendo just said they would have free Wi-Fi internet for the DS and the upcoming Revolution system? They are making the move because they know if they charge money for it then they cant compete in the online market anymore. It should be free anyways considering how much games cost these days. Sixty bucks for a f**king game and then you have to pay a monthly fee to play it online? It should have always been free. Was Microsoft running out of money or something? They stole the idea from Nintendo and thats all there is to it. I dont give a f**k what anyone says on here. Go to IGN.com and read the article for yourself. Assuming of course that you little bitch boys know how to read. Now take what I wrote and argue about it. Your like a little sewing circle of old ladies. You all need electric shock therapy. Oh and by the way I agree with what "JustAGamer" wrote. The rest of you can go blow a hairless cannibal dwarf from siberia! JustAGamer at 22:4 10/5/2005 It is true. Consoles are not PC's and can't be compared while being fair all around. Games are designed to run perfect on a console. Games for PC are made to run on variety of systems--they have to-- therefore they are less efficient. Consoles will not have the lates DX graphics but do a good job at simlutating them. Finally Consoles don't need to run at anything over 30FPS. Because of the way a TV produces it's picture(using 59.94 half-frames interlaced i.e NTSC(US) 23.976fps and 50 half-frames interlaced i.e. PAL(most everywhere else)25fps[HD info you will have to look up]. PC monitors on the other hand do not use the same scheme to render a picture. Describing the differences would take up way too much room so if you are interested go and reasaerch it. Nywaze as i am trying to say, a PC monitor needs about 60FPS to give you a smooth picture while a TV needs at max 30fps. That is why consoles can be much more underpowered and still look virtually the same. The need much less rendering power.(again HD is a different beast) SIDeBuRns at 22:2 10/5/2005 Processor (IBM Power PC based design): - 3 symmetrical cores at 3.2 GHz each - 2 hardware threads per core - 1 VMX-128 vector unit per core - 1 MB L2 cache im just looking at these specs - does this mean that it has 3 processors (x3.2ghz each), or am i reading it wrong? If so - it has the potential to be an amazing machine. Then again these are leaked specs and i wonder if you can trust them. Anonymous at 21:50 10/5/2005 lets look at it like this. Xbox 360 has kickass specs, it comes out earlier, everyone wants one. Ps3 trying to show its better ? right now Xbox is better than ps2, yet same quality games for both. PS3 will not dominate unless it will come out with alot better specs at alot lower cost. Anonymous at 21:46 10/5/2005 WTF is wrong with u people. Nothing you say hear will matter so just shut up bitchs Anonymous at 21:46 10/5/2005 lol at MNZ what a type. Megagames = amatures Anonymous at 21:36 10/5/2005 Did I miss another revolution in unit measure? Because apparently the memory and core speed are 700MNz and 500MNz respectively. Is this some new thing that I'm not aware of? i.e. The Meganert? Could someone please also explain to me why microsoft will most likely call their second console the XBox 360? It don't make-a no sense. Anonymous at 20:51 10/5/2005 More like BS. Microsoft will make everyone buy Xbox again and again. I'll bet ya..Xbox 360 will be mass produce in 3rd world country using child labour and quality control will suck even more. Deathright at 19:54 10/5/2005 Okay for the last time consoles are not pcs. They are specialized for the task of gaming and that is it. Sure they are putting other things in them buy it will always just be a gaming machine. The xbox 360 is going to be a nice gaming console and ps3 will also be showing at e3 meaning they have the protype ready as well and I am surpise that Sony has been releasing spec for the ps3 to try and show that it is the better system. I just hope mircosoft doesn't think that being earlyest to market means your better cuase I think the ps2 was good when it came out but after xbox came out it was subpar i mean the xbox can play doom 3(sure on low but hey it is a 4 year old system let see a 4 year old pc that you got for the same price as an xbox do that.) I only hope that they don't change the control setup that much. Oh yes and I am surpise no one is looking at the r500 on this thing 48 pipe lines holy shit that is better than r520 and plz correct me if i am wrong about that. Anonymous at 19:8 10/5/2005 The xbox 360 has a web cam Anonymous at 18:34 10/5/2005 Anonymous at 16:12 U are an idiot. This console is not meant for retards and pc fanboys like u. If u want to play pc to ur hearts content. then good for U!, but for many of us who likes to play without all the hassle of the pc. then this rig is for us. There are so many games on the console front that pc games are comparedly lacking. If u wanna stick with pc. then STFU! I have a 64 fx-55 athlon cpu with a sli setup that comes with 2 nvidia 6800gt, mine beat urs and yet I still enjoy playing consoles due to the games that they have. U can play pc games and still enjoy consoles. If u can't appreciate the fact that a console meant mainly for gaming and entertainment has so much power, then i call u to be the biggest retard and non gamer to boot . Talking out of ur ass has a limit even in the internet, so please go ahead and marry ur pc and let the rest of us enjoy simplified games cause if catch ur asshat talking like this on xbox live then ur pansy ass is mine ;p him at 18:18 10/5/2005 i won't trust these specs... but it makes for a good reference MG should note these are rumoured specs and not official Stephen at 18:18 10/5/2005 Is the xbox 360 backwards compatiable? I dont want to have 2 consoles to play the different games. Anonymous at 17:43 10/5/2005 Anonymous at 16:12, even though your PC has that spec it's still nothing compared to the Xbox360. consoles don't have an OS and programs running on the back ground which really decrease performance for PC's! 2gig's of ram is impresive but the Xbox console has 512 Gddr3 ram, more effeciant. NOW for a console to have spec's like that is AMAZING!!! the first Xbox was a capable console with only 733MHZ,64RAM and a crappy GFX card- capable of playing doom in wit low settings, i have a AMD 2400+ wit 512ram and Geforce TI 4600 and i'm bearly able to play the game- get like 28fps wit the lowest settings. so these next gen consoles will be sumfin great! Anonymous at 16:49 10/5/2005 f**king sweet! Anonymous at 16:20 10/5/2005 this will give pc's and the ps3 a good run for there money but will always prevail but them pc's will fight back and kick all your buts. Anonymous at 16:13 10/5/2005 (continued) But like a normal pc which will be sold by the time it is released. Anonymous at 16:12 10/5/2005 Uh, is it just me or does this in the gold version look like a normal pc sold at a best buy with a P4 HT 3.2 processor, or are you just gonna say some stupid console fanboy crap trying to defend it? BTW I have a P4 HT 3.4 processor 2gig ram 6600GT pci-ex 16 256MB... This dosn't sound at all impressive to me. Stuart Robinson at 14:53 10/5/2005 you suck tool lol, no realy this looks pretty sweet! Anonymous at 13:20 10/5/2005 1 ST POST ... ... ... ... ... ... SPAM A TASTY PACKED HAM!!!!11111 I GOT NOTHING TO CONTRIBUTE TO SOCICITY I H8 GAMEZ ... THY DESTORYED MY LIFE REMEBER ME ... .