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Saturday January 28, 2006 post a comment: 82 total

Name: Email: Comments: Input text above here     vrba79 at 6:57 8/2/2006 Cyclone at 10:9 7/2/2006 Doubtful, MS has the cash to support their console, even if they aren't running it on the best chip. Besides fanboyism is useless. Cyclone at 10:9 7/2/2006 Microsoft had better bid farewell to the gaming industry. Ceryseth at 10:59 6/2/2006 Consoles are just cheaper, but a re always lower in performance especially over there life spam,and not to talk about SLI or overclocking your GPU. Anonymous at 7:52 6/2/2006 .m , m I just sold my gay xbox360 because Megagames displayed this article about the ps3 being easy too code. Since the ps3 is easy to code and now the truth is out surely there will be A bounty off games waiting.. Good bye xbox360 hello ps3. Anonymous at 6:6 5/2/2006 The Direct3D API is easier to code for than OpenGL, but only a bit. PCs are still gonna flog these consoles, by now everyone knows thier CPUs don't match a good Athlon64 and thier GPUs are from 2005s high end. If you got half a clue it's not hard to run a gaming PC that rarely crashes and always performs better than a console. Anonymous at 5:34 4/2/2006 Thats not guruboy! Its a yanky imposter using his mac to talk sh1te! Anonymous at 22:55 3/2/2006 The xbox360 can't even run quake4 without lag. I have no doubt the xbox360 has the power to run it quake sucks in general probably just crap coding but hey i can assure you the x1900xt will probably match the xbox360 game for game speed for speed. Fear is the only game on the pc that requires some serious hardware to run in all its glory. I can assure you the pcs today can easily run any game made so far for the xbox360. And i mean easily. Anonymous at 20:2 3/2/2006 um guruboy, sorry to point out but my athlon xp 2400+, 9800 pro and 768MB ram rig can run halo 1 1280x1024 max settings at like 30-45 fps... Guruboy at 15:44 3/2/2006 There is no way any PC hardware released by the PS3 release will play games better than the PS3. I don't see any PC hardware getting anyware near the speed and quality of the 360...There's not many of us who can play Halo 1 (or Halo 2 when it's out) on PC with max settings, anyware near the quality that the Xbox does. Yeah, you and your $1000 video cards and CPUs might have similar specs to the PS3 by then, but no PC plays games like a console of its time. PC fags never seems to understand that they're willing to shell out $2500 right now for what a $100 or less Xbox or PS2 can run. Doom at 5:57 3/2/2006 Anon @ 2:45 Thats not true, it used to be before DirectX but not anymore. The whole point of diretX was to create a way of programming on the PC where a program would easily be able to access any kind of hardware whatever make or model it was without programing that device directly. The one part where your right is that it doesnt apply for 64bit games yet, so devs have to make a second version of the game for that. Code can however be optimised to run on certain graphic cards for instance such as NVIDIA helping dev's get the most out of their cards but this is quick and not vital to a games creation. ???????? at 4:37 3/2/2006 So i take it the ps3 controler is made for the yunger femails to masterbate with right? only thing consols have is rpg's and fighting games Also will the morons at megagames actoly make this input text in a way you can actoly read the god dam thing Anonymous at 2:45 3/2/2006 "takes alot longer to make a game of the same quality as on the Xbox, Gamecube or PC." I would have to disagree with you on the PC part, developing PC games means you have to make your game work with dozens of different video/sound cards, dozens of different cpus and some operational systems(you know, win2k, win2k3, win xp64, winxp sp1 and sp2, and soon winvista). So no, its not easier to develop for pcs, thats one of the reasons for pc games to be patched a few times after release Doom at 19:12 2/2/2006 Right first things first the PS2 does not have anywhere near 10x the games as the Xbox infact the xbox has around 1000 titles where the ps2 has around 2000 titles. Considering the ps2 was far more popular and lauched a year earlier than the Xbox thats not to bad. Personally im loving the x360 exclusive launch titles like PGR3, PDZ and Ridge Racer 6, although Xbox live adds so much to the games I can see y they would be less fun if you dont have it. As for launch titles your talking absolute rubbish. The 360 launched with 18 titles 7 of which are 360 exclusive. Most which are generaly accepted as strong titles with the exception of Tony Hawks and possibly FIFA06. Compaire this with the PS2 launch, it launched with 27 games including those notable greats Wild Wild Racing, Orphen, Silpheed and my personal favourite, Fantavision (how i love firework simulations). Ever heard of quality over quantity? By the way the explination for these awful PS2 launch titles is the fact ITS HARD TO CODE FOR. The games were rushed (as they were on the 360, but to a lesser extent) but because the PS2 is very hard to code for it takes alot longer to make a game of the same quality as on the Xbox, Gamecube or PC. The PS3 will probably be better than the PS2's launch but we WILL have to wait and see if its better than the 360's. Here endeth the rant. Anonymous at 13:34 2/2/2006 The obvious is ps2 is Hard to code for. It has 10x the games as the xbox. Xbox is easy to code for. It has a very limited amount of games over its life span. I choose to have the ps3 which is hard to code for because history tells us it doesn't make a difference. The obvious. Xbox360 has a very limited amount of game on launch. I believe 9-10 games. Most opf the titles are available to pc and other consoles. Those games that are new are just average titles. Most fo us who purchased the xbox360 ..Myself included, are bored too tears with the games. I'm pleased to say ps3 can be no worse at launch. I give the easy too code for xbox360 a 5 out of 10 for game launch. I choose the obvious... Anonymous at 6:4 2/2/2006 sorry teh truth he is a dumbass and i apologise on his behalf. teh truth at 5:25 1/2/2006 "wow u MUST be a dumbass, did u not see the 'IF.." Ok people, if he ever miss' out anything, ya can all call him a retarded blind twat, ok? You twat, so I missed one thing, O NO!!!!!!!! Enjoy ya boner then. Doom, sorry. "The PS1 is easier to program than the PS2 because you cant make proper 3D games on it." Ya could of put it better tbh! Ya can put it better anytways. So will call it quits on that. Anonymous at 3:42 1/2/2006 To get it out on time they should have done what xbox did last generation; got a load of off-the-shelf pc parts and built a pc hybrid. Athlon 64, ddr2, sata2, nforce7.... Anonymous at 3:38 1/2/2006 "When other developers not paid by Sony or Owned by Sony make press claims or press releases backing up this article, then i will believe this P.R. Sony hype." Yes, i agree with you, this is obviously a pr stunt from the sony guys to possibly make up for it being late. Anonymous at 3:36 1/2/2006 They must be talking about the gpu. I heard that geting the cpu's 7 spes to do what u want is still quite tough. Doom at 3:3 1/2/2006 wow this thread got busy fast... BTW please read my post properly "The PS1 is easier to program than the PS2 because you cant make proper 3D games on it." If you read that properly you will see I said the PS1 cannot do proper 3D, all it can do is a fake 3D effect using scalling which is why the PS1 is simpler to program than the PS2 (no 3D=easy to work on). I should know ive worked on both consoles. Ralphy at 21:29 31/1/2006 What i find interesting is the fact that there is not ONE working demo in real time for the PS3 at this time. The Xbox360 had various working demos MONTHS before it was released. I agree with anonymous below Anonymous at 21:26 31/1/2006 Here's the skinny on this. When other developers not paid by Sony or Owned by Sony make press claims or press releases backing up this article, then i will believe this P.R. Sony hype. Anonymous at 19:24 31/1/2006 the PS2 can handle 3d games. It just doesn't handle the 3d rendering as effcient as the xbox or gamecube. 3rd person and 1st person shooters are a prime example. The PS2 has so many clipping graphicaly issues. However it still is a solid console. I hold high hopes for the PS3. The XBOX360 will mature when the PS3 is released and it wil be a formidible console. By then Developers will be on its 2nd generation games...should be a good battle Anonymous at 18:15 31/1/2006 ""teh truth, im sorry ur the biggest dumbass i've ever met, and if i was in the same room right now, u wouldv'e lost ur speaking prviledges" Thats means A) We've already met, and B) you lost at taking my "speaking prviledges" away." wow u MUST be a dumbass, did u not see the 'IF i was in the same room'..and congrats yes we've met...did u really have to make note of that? u are aware that 'meeting' someone doesnt mean it is a physical i see u u see me meeting... Anonymous at 16:48 31/1/2006 THAT'S IT!!! I'M BUYING A REVOLUTION!!! Anonymous at 15:57 31/1/2006 I agree with teh to some level. Alot of people are fans and are baised and slag off other thinsg just cos they are or woteva. Even if you are a dumbass teh, least there are dumber people than you lolz! teh truth at 15:54 31/1/2006 "teh truth, im sorry ur the biggest dumbass i've ever met, and if i was in the same room right now, u wouldv'e lost ur speaking prviledges" Thats means A) We've already met, and B) you lost at taking my "speaking prviledges" away. I dont really care, cos theres only me and a few others that say stuff open minded. Yes I OWN all 3 consols atm, YES I will end up with a 360 oneday, a PS3 and probly a Revolution. I got people say the ps2 is s**t and cant do proper 3d games!! HELLo God of war? DMC3?! Metal gear Solid 3?! If im a dumbass then your saying that alot of peopel here, are retarded. Now either you cant handle the truth or ya head is up MS (pc or consol, accept for you Macs) or Nintendos ass liek some small minded baised twat or ya just pissed off that im right. Maybe ya just wanna b*tch? Least I try and back up my reasons! teh truth at 15:43 31/1/2006 o and btw...." These 2 coding houses are owned by Sony. What else do you think they would say? Man your gullible" Well most you people belived that halo 2 would be better than halo and would have a ending... People that some faults and bugs should be worked out while in the making and design of things... Or that controlers wouldnt change or be readical and diffrent... People are either just gulliable, or belive that even people owned or making something can both lie and tell the truth. Do good things and bad. Its just depends and depends on how ya chose to see it. Anonymous at 15:43 31/1/2006 teh truth, im sorry ur the biggest dumbass i've ever met, and if i was in the same room right now, u wouldv'e lost ur speaking prviledges teh truth at 15:36 31/1/2006 Doom - 2+2=? Anonymous at 22:1 29/1/2006 "teh truth: guess what *(what?? the war was based on a lie? what?)*, i dont own a 360 (actually i avoided it since i knew there were going to be quite a few faulty units in the 1st batch)*(I dont own one either yet and shame they was sh*tty things that should of been done while IN the making of it)*. honestly i probably wont get one until halo3 drops *(keep waiting till the PS3 is out yea)*. as for the ps3.. you think there wont be any faulty units *(Not as bad or with such bad faults as the 360, dont forget, its lead the way ^_^)*?? i dont know anyone who hasnt owned 2+ ps2's *(Somone has owned 2 ps2s!? mr money eh)*. im inclined to say sony will repeat their mistake *(the selling over 100 million one?)* considering theyll be rushing their flagship product to make this holiday season...*(how you know?)*oh and for anyone who cares, infinity ward went on record and said the 360-...*(no one cares)* Anonymous at 6:28 31/1/2006 Anonymous at 14:55 30/1/2006 These 2 coding houses are owned by Sony. What else do you think they would say? Man your gullible. Random at 3:42 31/1/2006 Why do you people even care about this, I don't care how easy the PS3 is to program, as long as they still make the games of the same quality that were on the PS2, i'm happy. Anonymous at 23:19 30/1/2006 Blueray = DRM done evil HD-DVD = DRM done slightly less evil Anonymous at 23:17 30/1/2006 Anonymous at 14:55 is that Paul Walker fag from before. Quit it with your clean and clear statements. It's not a good catch phrase and you sound pathetic. Anonymous at 15:17 30/1/2006 It's so easy to program on, yet there STILL isn't a playable demo of anything on it yet??? I call shenanigans. Anonymous at 14:55 30/1/2006 Stay clena an clear of the xbox360. Proof now by two coding houses. The ps3 is easy to code for. lOOKS LIKE THE XBOX360 CODERS HAVE BEEN TRYING TO get ole bill and undecided purchasers a nudge the other way. Ltes face it the ps2 was hard to code supposedly but that console had 10x the games and plenty of kick butt titles (godofwar). Stay clean an clear and wait for a ps3. Anonymous at 13:34 30/1/2006 hd dvd sucks and blueray is cool, we all suppose that... however, even nowadays we buy DVDs and get 1.1GB of content - 2 CDs where over 3 GB is left unused... PS3 Blueray = 10% of content, 30% of demos and adds and rest free. Id rather buy 2 DVDs than overpay for it all Anonymous at 9:7 30/1/2006 This sdfgsdf beotch is now K.O.S. on MG Anonymous at 2:54 30/1/2006 how bout no noob sdfgsdf at 2:53 30/1/2006 shut up u f.u.c.k.i.n.g nerds. Anonymous at 2:20 30/1/2006 *undertones Anonymous at 2:18 30/1/2006 Anonymous at 14:9 You mean AMD, Nvidia AND ATI will all smoke the PS3 hardware before it's even out. And Anonymous at 17:47, that's true, but you said it with such strong Nvidia fanboy untones I had to laugh. Player69 at 1:17 30/1/2006 I'll keep my PC. The only game that can make me play a console is MSG 4! Anonymous at 22:1 29/1/2006 teh truth: guess what, i dont own a 360 (actually i avoided it since i knew there were going to be quite a few faulty units in the 1st batch). honestly i probably wont get one until halo3 drops. as for the ps3.. you think there wont be any faulty units?? i dont know anyone who hasnt owned 2+ ps2's. im inclined to say sony will repeat their mistake considering theyll be rushing their flagship product to make this holiday season... oh and for anyone who cares, infinity ward went on record and said the 360-version is slightly better, graphically, than the pc-version... Anonymous at 19:46 29/1/2006 Honestly, this news is irrelevant to the general mass since we are not the ones who are making the games. Easy programming is only one of the many factors that dictates the release of games. Doom at 18:35 29/1/2006 NVIDIA 7800gt your looking at what £250upwards RRP just for a graphics card? x360 your looking at £270 and PS3 your looking at £300 - £400 and u get a games console? Whats your point? You get what you pay for, thats no surprise in life. Anonymous at 17:49 29/1/2006 rofl xbox 360 is already putdated Anonymous at 17:47 29/1/2006 u tell me what looks better: call of duty 2 with 2xaa at 1280x720 upscaled to 1920x1080 on an xbox 360 or cal of duty 2 with 4xaa/8xaf rendered at 1920x1080 on a pc a 7800gt outperforms the xenon/xenos whatever the f**k that piece of s**t is and all this hype about next generation Doom at 17:12 29/1/2006 to teh truth @ 5:18 The PS1 is easier to program than the PS2 because you cant make proper 3D games on it. Anonymous at 15:25 29/1/2006 agreed with statement below every new hardware release by nvidia/ati is about 2x performance over previous gen (x1800 over x800 over 9800, 7800 over 6800 over 5800 etc) The current console hardware is about equal with an x1800 and 7800, and the next launch (x2800/8800?) will most likely be about 2x as good as any console hardware, not to mention that both 360 and ps3's cpu's are already outdated Anonymous at 14:9 29/1/2006 O rly Guruboy? AMD and nVidia will smoke the PS3 hardware with their next lines of hardware - you're the one that is just a dumbass if you can't accept this fact. Current PC hardware is on par with 360/PS3 hardware right now. Anonymous at 13:41 29/1/2006 If I had the money to pay devs off then they would say that it would be easy to develop games for my BUTTHOLE! Anonymous at 13:40 29/1/2006 guruboy u are way too overcaring. u are so ps3 biased, normally people wouldn't care about posts like 7:57's Guruboy at 13:34 29/1/2006 Anonymous below me at 7:57 29/1/2006 you're just a dumass. Anonymous at 7:57 29/1/2006 by the time this s**t console is released it will be way outdated teh truth at 5:18 29/1/2006 "If you want to believe Sony P.R. spin. Go ahead" Hey wasnt the ps2 out before xbox and Nintendo?! O<G Could that mean at the time it WAS easier and easier than the PS1?! :O OMG COULD YOU ALL BE IDIOTS!? (accept for a few, you know who you are). Anyways, as 22:23 said, who cares?! We care about prices and games etc! "hey sony fanbots, enjoy your ps3 next winter!" Im sure they will cos didint you enjoy ya faulty 360 this winter then? Anonymous at 4:54 29/1/2006 LOL what a load of bullsh*t, those developers where so paid off to say that. More crap from sony so hype there already failing console. Anonymous at 0:37 29/1/2006 Zephyr... I think 22:23's remark is the most founded and solid of remarks here. As long as the game you want is on the platform you own, then it doesnt matter how it got there. Like the article says: they both have advantages and disadvantages. I am glad devs see the ps3 as easier to dev on than the ps2. I hope this means we get more quality from them :) And hopefully a ps3 game converted to x360 will look as good, if not better. We all know how splinter cell faired... Anonymous at 0:20 29/1/2006 wtf r u on about call of duty 2 is not on the xbox its the big red 1 the lite version of cod2 LOL. but it still lags on the xbox lol abit... Anonymous at 22:52 28/1/2006 ROFL my 6600gt can run call of duty 2 better than an xbox 1.5 Anonymous at 22:49 28/1/2006 ROFL my 6600gt can run call of duty 2 better than xbox 1.5 Anonymous at 22:48 28/1/2006 An ATI GPU in a DirectX console and a Nvidia GPU in an OpenGL console. This will be interesting. I imagine this will make cross platform games a little annoying. Zephyr at 22:36 28/1/2006 Really is great news to hear. Only problem is that programming for either 360 or PS3 is going to be super expensive, so developers without millions to sink into a single title aren't going to be anywhere near those systems. I think we might end up seeing a lot of the smaller third party developers siding with Nintendo during this generation due to the fact that programming for the Revolution should be quite a bit cheaper. Regardless of that, I can't wait to see how this whole generation pans out in a few years. Also, to Mr. Anon at 22:23, I think the important thing about programming being easier is that developers will be able to get better games to the consumer faster than they could with the PS2. Anonymous at 22:23 28/1/2006 real question is why should we care about programming? our part of the deal is to do the playing.. and the spending they made great games on ps2, even tough it was ''hard'' to program... why should we care about that aspect? Anonymous at 22:18 28/1/2006 "very similar to creating content for the PC"...exactley, but not near as good. Stop hyping these f**kin consoles, they are s**t, PC's rule. And what's this "next generation" s**t, is there something SPECIAL about games being played out of the pocket of Microsoft and Sony executives???...NO!...so cut the crap, next-gen is just a word console developers use to say..."look, we are now releasing games similar to PCs...aren't we good?"...NO. f**k YOU SONY, and f**k your stupid GTA contract up your f**king ass!, you game-destroying f**ked-up c**ts! Anonymous at 21:59 28/1/2006 you guys are idiots... guerrilla games is now owned by sony (read...1ST PARTY DEVELOPER). you think they would bad mouth the ps3 hardware?? just because ONE 3rd party dev said its "easy" to develop for, does not mean it applies to every single dev out there. anyways, most devs who are working on multiplatform next-gen games are saying the 360 and ps3 are about the same (gpu and cpu-wise). the 360 has slight edge in programmability, and the ps3 has slight edge in raw power... hey sony fanbots, enjoy your ps3 next winter! Anonymous at 19:51 28/1/2006 Doom, they did. Claiming it was far easier then the GameCube and Xbox to create games for it. We all know different. This is called P.R. Spin sam at 19:48 28/1/2006 "Let's hope more developers give us honest accounts of their experiences working with next-generation consoles" That sums this up quite nicely. If a developer is owned by Sony or Microsoft or Nintendo, do you actually think they will bad mouth the product that they are creating it for IF IT TRUELY IS NOT THAT PROGRAMMING FREINDLY? I dont think so. Doom at 19:48 28/1/2006 lol did sony really say the PS2 was easy to program?? if they did you've gotta laugh at that big fat lie Anonymous at 19:43 28/1/2006 When UNBIASED sources and developers NOT OWNED OR PAID BY SONY ALSO BACK UP CLAIMS THAT THE PS3 IS EASY TO DEVELOP FOR, THEN I WILL BELIEVE IT. Reason being? Quite a few other developers have said the PS3 was very hard to code for and the Cell cpu. Those developers (id software for one) WERE NOT OWNED OR PAID BY SONY. If you want to believe Sony P.R. spin. Go ahead. Just like the PS2 was easy to code for? Remember Sony saying this? garad at 19:41 28/1/2006 hey small p***s boy want to exchange pics???? heath boase at 19:39 28/1/2006 hi my name is heath boase, and i got caught masturbating at skatehaven because i have ADD and a rooclaws, plus i am an overall f**khead, if anyone likes small p***s' please email me Doom at 19:34 28/1/2006 PS3 easier to program than PS2? Not surprising the PS2 is ridiculously hard to program on for something made at the end of the 1990's. How much easier is the question Anonymous at 19:24 28/1/2006 y cant i ever post on this damn message board! teh truth at 18:22 28/1/2006 Anonymous at 16:50 28/1/2006 = idiot Anonymous at 18:15 28/1/2006 Much as i hate to admit it, guruboy is right! You may as well say french is harder to learn than german,But you try tell a fench guy that! :P Anonymous at 16:50 28/1/2006 too bad Guerilla Games are now owned by sony, of course they are going to bulls**t about how good it is and easy to program for. this article is so full of s**t anyway, 2 developers say its easy to program for, woah thats heaps Anonymous at 14:53 28/1/2006 Yea, with how much a disappointment Xbox1.5 was and how it does not even feel like next generation the PS3 does not ever have to try. KaL at 14:50 28/1/2006 Whether this article is defined truth or not is barely relivant to the fact that now the 360 is out, we can see how dull it is, the PS3 will hype then be released and we'll see through the hype and be able to make an actual educated non-hyped choice. The Rev of course, no one knows... Guruboy at 14:45 28/1/2006 holy crap STFU Xbox fanboys. This is yet ANTOHER thing that XBox kiddies said the 360 was better than the PS3 about (the old articles about how hard the PS3 was to program and how easy the 360 was.) Paid actors my rear end, what a dumb thing to say. And this isn't hype tard, it's a news article. This article is especially necessary because Megagames had a few articles that mislead us about the PS3 and 360 programmability. asAlways at 14:36 28/1/2006 as always. hype and more hype. stop messing around with gamers heads and show gamers whats on the table sony!!!!!! give us price. give us dates. talk is cheap! munnn at 14:34 28/1/2006 I think they forgot to mention that these are paid actors.