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Anonymous
at 16:13 13/4/2004
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Now why does this news about NV40 mean it will be faster than R420? I mean, they both have 16 pipelines and nearly the same clock speeds. Actually what I hear is that NV40 has 8 true pipes and can simulate 16 pipes in some cases. I think it'll be a toss up. Besides you are all forgetting side by side image quality. Does an NV40 rendered image look better than R420 rendered? I doubt it. And I also doubt that they'll be able to produce these things well, its a whole cycle ahead of schedule. My money is on ati... not because i care one way or another about a corporation versus another, but I think the chip will be better. If I'm wrong I'll gladly get an nVidia chip (ones been powering my rig for some time now) assuming its not as ridiculously expensive as the stuff thats out now is. I mean really anywhere from 4 to 500 dollars is ludicrous.
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Anonymous
at 4:44 27/3/2004
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interesting post cantsay. anyways, the nv40 specs is out and r420 looks like a cardboard with cables compared to it. go nvidia!
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cantsay
at 12:46 26/3/2004
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ok, well the post apparently has a limit and cut off my post. Oops! So I will go on to performance; the performance should be close to equal. These firms are not stupid and I am sure they have planned their releases well. Anyone who has made a billion dollars can not be that stupid. You can call them dumb, but they don't care because they are laughing loudly all the way to the bank and can't hear you. Here is hoping that both the NVidia and the ATI parts are up to scratch so that no one is left out in the cold. I hope that the day will never come when you will have to buy different hardware to run software properly.
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cantsay
at 12:33 26/3/2004
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Well, as far as I can tell, this mess is all Microsoft's fault. Very interesting that Microsoft has now allied with ATI for their next xbox. Hmm ... seems almost as if they really couldn't care less if Nvidia goes down the toilet now. They have a new partner. Not to mention that Microsoft forces dx 9.0 as the standard API down developers's throats. I mean, if you want to code for windows, you have 2 options ... DirectX or Open GL. I bet Microsoft would just love to destroy Open GL and I am sure they are working on a nice and devious plan to do so as I type this post. Nvidia's fx architecture does not conform to the DirectX 9.0 API specifications as closely as the ATI parts. So in this industry, it appears that innovation is not the way to go. You should just let DirectX dictate the way that your card is made. I think this rationale is a bit ... incorrect. Since when does hardware have to be designed around software? Does this seem a bit odd to anyone else? I see a future where people will need two different cards to play two different games ... what a load of crap. I think that the gaming industry in general needs to get their stuff together and make sure that hardware is supported by software, not the other way around. I mean, just look at AMD 64, AMD notified Microshaft that they wanted to extend into 64bit computing ... so off went Microsoft to develop windows 64bit. How did it happen that the FX architecture strayed so far away from the DX API specifications? Seems very strange to me. If hardware requires that the DX API be modified (which it does but microsoft won't) for it, then DX 9 should be modified so that users of one card are not disadvantaged compared to the others. Both R3xx and fx5xxx have their strong suits but can one specific piece of software (DirectX 9.0 API) decide the fate of the PC gaming industry? I hope not. In addition. Secrecy is a good thing for the companies themselves but it is very bad for the consumer. Imagine y
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Anonymous
at 18:41 22/3/2004
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More crap from Nvidia. More lies. The NV40 will not sport a true 16 pipeline card. Just 8x2. And only support P.S.3.0 which like the post below, only 1 or 2 games will support by X-MAS.
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14878"Nvidia was telling people how 3DMark01 is a very nice benchmark since they can render 16 pixels per pass in it, using only eight pipelines. What Nvidia is using is the ability of the Vertex Shader model 3.0 (known as PS 3.0 or VS 3.0) where the Shader can actually render pixels as a virtual pipeline. But it can only render them without filtering information other than Point Sampling, a basic filter technique." WOW. What bullshit Nvidia.
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Anonymous
at 8:40 22/3/2004
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" Let's hope it's not more of the Nvidia B.S. P.R. crap they have been spilling for the past 2 years almost......"
SORRY IT IS THE SAME BS P.R. as always ! their cheating their customers like hell. screw u nvidia. ati r00lez.
here the proof : http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14878
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Panty Raider
at 17:42 21/3/2004
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"They don't get over it, ATI is not as popular as you want it to be"Actually it is. The R3xx chips have outsold Nvidia's FX chips almost 2-1 over the past 18-24 months. Just look at retail shelves right now. You see very few FX cards at Future Shop, CompuSmart, Best Buy. However, you see lot's of different types of ATI R3xx cards. The FX design(NV3xx) was a failure. The NV4xx chips look really promising. Let's hope it's not more of the Nvidia B.S. P.R. crap they have been spilling for the past 2 years almost......
And the only cards really selling for Nvidia right now are the MX models of the Geforce4 line. Why? I hgave no ****** idea. The 9200se or the 5600 are faster....
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Anonymous
at 17:36 21/3/2004
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http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=13856ATi overhauls Nvidia in share of graphics market: There's the proof. Then check the stock reports to confirm. This is a voiltile business. You're up, you're down.
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Anonymous
at 13:6 21/3/2004
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dude, you're trying to hard. nvidia already won.
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Anonymous
at 8:48 20/3/2004
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re: If Nvidia sells more then why is ATI in second place next to intel, as a chip manufacturer.
Get your facts straight! They don't get over it, ATI is not as popular as you want it to be.
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Mason
at 0:15 19/3/2004
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Hey folks. Just a brief comment: GDDR3 is not just a fancy name for DDR2. GDDR3 is actually a whole new memory type being developed by a team of companies, including ATi themselves. It is intended to address the concerns of memory being such a large bottleneck as GPUs get faster and more advanced (demonstrated by the highly understated, as of late, fact that placing twice the memory on a board nowadays has hardly any effect on performance. Ah-hah, see what happens when you use that squishy grey thing behind your forhead?)GDDR3 will feature some very important, and just as hushy optimizations that allow it to work better, in conjuction with a graphic chip, than traditional memory modules. In short, it is specialized memory designed and built for use in gaming cards (whoo-hoo!) Just another innovation by the current technological leaders! (Oops, I hope I didn't upset anyone just then!)
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Anonymous
at 19:46 18/3/2004
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By killing the NV40 and going ahead with the NV45, this will cause Nvidia issues when it's time to refresh the NV45 6 months later. What are they going to do? The NV45 was to be the refresh. Now it's the debut chip. They have skipped a cycle just for the speed crown. If they even get it. These chips running on 0.13 micron cannot go above 600MHZ (if they can even get that high. A good read at Inquirer.net tells you why this won't happen on that die size) cannot run any faster. . Now ATI has almost 8-12 months for it's refresh of the R420 to beat it. Not a wise move for Nvidia. Short term gain for long term pain. Too much time for ATI to counter.
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captain dark meat
at 12:1 18/3/2004
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exactly they canned the NV40 and are now working feverishly on the NV45, they f**king skipped a cycle. Well Nvidia is f**ked now because it will be a long time before it gets out on the store shelves. For sure ATI will be the first to ship their next gen!
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Anonymous
at 11:57 18/3/2004
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botton line nvidia had to can a project that they have been working on for a while now (NV40). They can never compete with ATI.
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Anonymous
at 11:54 18/3/2004
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Isn't ATI second right now?
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Anonymous
at 11:53 18/3/2004
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If Nvidia sells more then why is ATI in second place next to intel, as a chip manufacturer. Get your facts straight!
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Anonymous
at 11:37 18/3/2004
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"Nvidia is on dumb f**k"That is why they still outsell ATI 4 to 1? Is that why Nvidia is worth 30 times more then ATI? Its ok that you feel unsecure that your piece of silicone in your computer will no longer be king. Thats what where here for, to console you and try to releive your pain. Now go away and leave us away fanboy. Thats what I thought
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Anonymous
at 5:42 18/3/2004
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You guys are f**king stupid, ATI is one smart mother f**ker. They made Nvidia can their NV40 project, because their R420 would have killed it. Now Nvidia is hurrying to unleash a future project which they wanted to save for later. There is no way Nvidia will have the NV45 ready in time. The R420 will be out much before, and selling by the millions, while the NV45 is still getting it's silicon ready. ATI is so smart, because now Nvidia will most probably fall behind a full product cycle. ATI's R420 has 6 vertex sharder engines, they will certainly win the shader war. When the Nvidia finally releases their NV45 ATI will kill it off with their R423, or R480. Remeber in it's early stages the R420 was capable of 100 fps in colin mcrae rally 2004. Nvidia is one dumb f**k.
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Anonymous
at 1:42 18/3/2004
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poor lil ati fans, this news about r420 made them look like lil idiots. oh well i guess that's why they call them atidiots.
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Anonymous
at 20:31 17/3/2004
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wtf!!! Nvidia & ATI mention more about your f**king shaders!!!Actually what am I saying. The geforce fx proved Nvidia couldn't make a shader to save thier life. So instead, ATI, hurry and release some official specs on your shaders!
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Anonymous
at 9:50 17/3/2004
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I can run my mouth at you. These new cards will decimate the R420. Then you will be back where you started. In the hole ATI was for 4 years before they got there head out of there ass with the 9700.
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Anonymous
at 14:58 16/3/2004
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Oh and before all u little nvidiots mouth off at me, have a read of this....http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?s=163dee418b22f32bbc534227919b24cb&threadid=33748006 Seems that this guy was preaching the word of nvdia till he saw the light...AMEN I bet u little kiddies wished u could actually see anti aliasing and anostrophic filtering.....lol, u never know....if u really wanna stick with nvidia they may get to 9600pro standards in a few yrs....
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Anonymous
at 14:40 16/3/2004
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Sore losers....point me to ONE review that tells me nv40 *ahem* 45 beats the R420?? what, u mean u can't? ohhhhhhh thats right they ARENT OUT YET!!!!! oh but look...i can point u to dozens and dozens of websites that show u that the 9800xt shits on the 5950 ultra....hmmmm now whos the sore losers?
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Dutch Dude
at 12:47 16/3/2004
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As chairman of the official Dutch ATi fanclub I would like to say: ATi RULZ!!!www.atirulz.nl
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Anonymous
at 11:51 16/3/2004
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ATidiots are a bunch of sore losers. Get over it, ATi sucks!
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Anonymous
at 5:46 16/3/2004
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Nvidia knew that their NV40 is going to get destroyed by the R420, so Nvidia skipped to the NV45 project which they wanted to save for later.
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Anonymous
at 5:44 16/3/2004
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AFTER DAYS, nay weeks of inquiring we can now confirm that NV40 is not 8x2 marchitecture part as we previously suggested. Nvidia is behaving as if the NV40 was the Crown Jewels of Her Brittanic Majesty Queen Elizabeth II. Fish can fly, but it's been spreading flying red herrings.
Nvidia is telling "selected people" that NV40 is indeed 210 millions of transistor chip with 16 pipelines as we reported a few weeks ago.The other side of this NV40 coin is that the real Mc Coy the real NV40 card that was taped out quite some time ago is actually going to be KIA [Killed in action]. Very knowledgeable friends told us recently in the Vienna Opera house that NV40 with 16 pipes and 210 millions of transistor is completely other chip then original NV40. What actually happened is that Nvidia recently learned about R420 marchitecture and this entire 12x1 story and, that they will eventually end up in second place and decided to can NV40 project and to go immediately with NV45. Nvidia is a very egotistic company. NV45 is the name for PCI Express NV40 but apparently this new chip is a rushed new project that Nvidia wanted to save for later. Still as a consequence our Opera loving friend suggested that there is no possible way that Nvidia might have a working version of the chip at Cebit or if they have it its early silicon for showing off. You can forget about launch party at CeBIT or anytime soon, we are given to understand. Even if the company launches it in April it will be a pure paper launch as NVDA cannot deliver it so soon. It's not easy to make dramatic changes in silicon and as a consequence you have to re-tape it again and then hope that all will be fine in order to be ready to produce it in six weeks minimum. As the case is altered, Nvidia might win performance crown again but it's absolutely certain that ATI R420XT will be the first next generation card in shops. Nvidia and its partners desperately need this fuel possibly with Doom 3 as a ro
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Anonymous
at 18:6 15/3/2004
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"ATi's upcoming R420 to sport 12 pipelines Marchitectural miracles
By Fuad Abazovic: Δευτέρα 15 Μαρτίου 2004, 14:17 THE BIGGEST and most closely-guarded secret about ATI's upcoming R420 chip, in either R420XT or R420PRO guise, is the number of pipelines the chip will use.
But now we can reveal that the R420 design features 12 working piplines from a possible maximum of 16." http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14739 Seems to me that Nvidia is trying to have a 16 pipeline card also. However with 200 million transistors, while ATI is doing this with just 165 million+
Another waste of silicon from Nvidia. Another 2 slot design. And another hot running chip from them also. So it seems that ATI is running a 12-16 pipeline card with a big vertex shader engine. Should be a close battle.
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showler
at 14:48 15/3/2004
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A couple of things to get straight.First: PCX or PCI-E. Not PCI-X, that is another thing altogether. Second: The NVIDIA bridge does NOT allow you to use the same card in either an AGP or PCI-E system. It allows NVIDIA to use the same chipset in cards made to work either in an AGP system or a PCI-E system. If you buy one of these cards you will not be able to transfer it to a new PCI-E motherboard when you buy it. The only advantage was that NVIDIA saved money by only making an AGP compatible chipset and then using the bridge to make it work in PCI-E slots. ATi has made two different chipsets, NVIDIA will eventually release a PCI-E compatible chipset. Third: NVIDIA's bridge means that the extra bandwidth of PCI-E never gets to the GPU at all. Once it hits the bridge, it is back to AGP speeds. If you have an AGP motherboard, there will be no difference. If you have a PCI-E motherboard, ATi will have more bandwidth. However, the extra bandwidth will only be used in video editing so far, with other uses being added later. I doubt it will be useful for games in this generation.
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Anonymous
at 14:45 15/3/2004
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PS3.0 wont be supported in games for another 2 yrs at least anyway nvidiots....shit, we are only seeing games with PS2.0 now, so imagine all those games about to come out using PS2.0 your saying they are gonna be outdated already?(Well they will be on nvidia cards, cos they cant run PS2.0 properly) Its been said a million times....Look what Nvidia said when the 5800ultra came out and see how much the 9700pro raped it. And to the guy that says there is barely a gap between the 9800xt and the 5950ultra....yeah maybe without aa and af, but turn on the 'eye candy' and ur 'precious' 5950 gets raped by the 'long-in-the-tooth 9500pro and even the 9600pro lol.
All u nvidia fanboys who bought an fx card, got shit on by nvidia cos the cards were crap and u still support them? no matter how many websites say the 9500pro upwards shits on the fx range u still wont listen....yeah the geforce 3 and 4 range were brilliant, beat ati hands down....but u have to put ur hands up to ati dumping on nvidia this time. The next round?? who knows.....but we know not to judge clock speeds and the like as we all know what happened before........
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Anonymous
at 10:47 15/3/2004
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Yes it does it offers frame buffer access you newbie f**k. I have enough certifications and experience to make you shit your pants, don't mess with the big boys. They don't release new pixel shader revisions for no reason. Even a newbie like you should know that.
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Anonymous
at 3:30 15/3/2004
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doesn't really matter just how much more 'powerful' the nvidia card is.we all saw what nvidia did with all that 'power' last time they released a line of cards now didn't we.
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Save Dr Death
at 16:58 13/3/2004
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where is Dr Death ? he always had the best technical knowledge and i miss his post, and those not happy with him too =) at least it was light years above the "you suck" post we get now....
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Anonymous
at 16:38 13/3/2004
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"40+ million transitors, NV40 supports PS3.0 which the R420 does not. Yea it will dominate."It's 200 million+ for the NV40 or the NV45. And that's not even confirmed as of yet. All rumor at this time. When the card comes out, then we will know.
And as for PS3.0, ATI will support it. And guess you have not read into PS3.0 support. You need to do research on it newbie. PS3.0 offers zilch benefit for gaming on graphic cards. Zilch. The same way PS1.4 offered zilch to graphic performance. The 8500 ATI card offered PS.14 support and the Geforce3 series only supported PS1.1. No difference at all. PS3.0 offers no benefits in shader performance over PS2.0. Look it up before you post newbie.
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thshadow
at 9:35 13/3/2004
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whatever ati made
nvidia still own with N40
and as i said befor N40 can make 137 fps on unreal 2003
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Anonymous
at 21:36 12/3/2004
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40+ million transitors, NV40 supports PS3.0 which the R420 does not. Yea it will dominate.
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GregMan
at 13:5 12/3/2004
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yep, hes right
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Anonymous
at 13:5 12/3/2004
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Hmm seems that this will go on forever, i have both types of cards, they both run games well... so??? what is everyone arguing about? Did they design the cards? no you say?
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Anonymous
at 21:48 11/3/2004
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to the guy bragging below about nvidia's pipelines...ati hasn't said anything about thiers, so you have no clue as to what ati may or may not have.and by the way, talking about fantastic drivers, ATI's 4.3's that just came out are brilliant, once again increasing the margin between what ATI can do in directx 9 and what nvidia can do in directx 9.
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A.J.
at 20:33 11/3/2004
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"From our benchmarks, it is obvious that ATI Radeon cards are better suited for emulating the games that we tested under ePSXe and Pete's plugins with the settings we chose. The NVIDIA cards did hold their own and can take care of some tasks very well, so it isn't really fair to say that they aren't good enough to emulate a PlayStation game. We were a bit shocked to see the kind of performance drop from the 5950 Ultra the 5700 Ultra took in some of the tests; we will be looking into the issue further as our experience with emulator benchmarking progresses. There are some settings that can be tweaked in order to get more performance out of the emulator than we did, but we were going beyond simply high quality emulation of the actual PlayStation experience. Of course, if you want to play the Final Fantasy series in all its glory, ATI GPUs are the way to go"http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1986&p=13 Even running a emulator ATI cards are better. Nvidia's Ti series was great. The FX series were shit.
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Anonymous
at 19:55 11/3/2004
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You hear some "rumors" from a pro Nvidia source and all the Nvidia fanboys come out of hiding.
"Nvidia RULZZZZZZZZZ!"
Like Anonymous said below. We heard all this crap before from Nvidia with the whole FX line. That it was a true 8x1 pipeline card. That it was extremely advanced in shader operations. That CineFX was too advanced for other chips to replicate. All this proved to be bullshit as we know now. Until i see both the R420 and the NV40 side by side in comparison tests, i will judge then. Until then. We know shit about eihter card. Stupid fanboys
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Anonymous
at 18:50 11/3/2004
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omg nvidiot flamers galore,lol
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Anonymous
at 11:17 11/3/2004
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Got to love Nvidiots. The NV40 is not even out and they are already shouting "Nvidia will destroy ATI!"
Is this not the same PR crap Nvidia screamed when the 5800 was to be released? The "Radeon killer?" What a joke. Wait until the cards are out 12 year old fanboys. They we will know. Morons.
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Anonymous
at 11:14 11/3/2004
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Most games crash using the 9800xt??? Wow, at every review of the 9800xt they have nothing but good things to say about the driver support and the performance of games on the 9800xt. This "poor" drivers from ATI is so old now it's a joke. If the drivers were so poor review sites would show this right away. Not the case. I am running the latest cat drivers, 4.3's and not one issue so far. And that goes for the last Cat drivers. It seems to me "the way it's meant to be played" game Unreal 2004 has had major driver issues on Nvidia cards and the latest Forceware drivers. Please stop spewing bullshit about Nvidia having "god-like" drivers when we all know that they do not. The whole 40, 50 series of det drivers were crap. It was not until the release of the Forceware drivers that Nvidia improved the drivers. Yet those same forceware drivers STILL run games in lower Floating point precision and STILL does not allow you to enable real Trilinear filtering in games. Especially in Unreal 2003, 2004.
And it seems ATI is the only GPU company that releases driver updates every month. Nvidia does not do this.
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14660
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Anonymous
at 8:18 11/3/2004
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NERDS
NERDS
NERDS
NERDS
NERDS
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Anonymous
at 8:17 11/3/2004
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Ati bestNvidia best Get a f**king life people! they just want your money. Get a card that works fine whit you f**k the brand. Do you want your favorite to be best or do you want better cards???????? U idiots Nerds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Anonymous
at 20:20 10/3/2004
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"According to the company, its new chip will feature a full 16 pipelines, not the 8x2 set-up which had been expected. This change means that Nvidia's new GPU will have a staggering 205-210 million transistors and not the expected 175 million."Damn, looks like ATI is stunned and a bit surprised. ATI is speechless because THEY SUCK! Boom...there it is.
^^^
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YOUR MOM
at 17:34 10/3/2004
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be nice be nicenVIDIA have always excellent compatability and driver support, while Ati is little bit faster then FX5950 ultra but they are not that reliable, in most benchmarks most ati cars crash usually 9800 xt.
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ROb
at 12:22 10/3/2004
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Also the fx cards won't be up to there full potential for a while because there are not enough games that use its full potential
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ROb
at 12:19 10/3/2004
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the person below is right ati is way expensive an ati 9800 xt 256 mb is like 500 $ you can get a nvidia 9850 fx ultra for less
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Anonymous
at 6:57 10/3/2004
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i think nvidias reasoning for using a brdige instead of native pcix config is to save costs - realistically its just there nv40 model that will have the bridge. by the time pcix becomes the norm for all computers, that will be when the nv45+ will be available with native pcix capabilitiesi think its a smart move by nvidia, saving costs yet still giving the alternative of a pcix card. ati is just as good as nvidia, but they arent thinking as logically i think - production yields and costs will be much higher than nvdas
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Anonymous
at 4:2 10/3/2004
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most of u are talking out your arse's.fact is noone can be sure untill we the gamers get our hands on it.what u guys don't seem to understand is all this info is coming from the company's PR machine and well if u are gonna take the word of a PR i can't help ya there. but to be honest i don't give a rats arse cause its all u newbs who are gonna go out asoon as it hits the stores and grab one and test all these new boards for me so i don't have to waste a cent. anyway have a goodone and thanks for future reviews :)
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{WOR}lock
at 2:43 10/3/2004
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hmmmm, interesting...the two most important things on a graphics card atm are pipelines and memory bandwidth. it looks like ati has the memory bandwidth and nvidia has the pipelines (although that unconfirmed since ATI hasn't mentioned thier pipelines yet.) two more facts for you's to take in to consideration too btw. GPU clock speed isn't entirely as relevant as it seems (we can take AMD vs Intel as the example for that fact) and the AGP8x bus still hasn't even come close to being expended yet. the only thing that dissapoints me at the moment is the fact that I will be upgrading to a PCI express mobo and it has been stated that they will not contain an AGP slot.
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lol cool
at 20:31 9/3/2004
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lol you guys who think your too cool and shit SHOULD SHUT THE f**k UP!!! its because of nerds the hole world is where it is today! if you diss nerds and say get a life then your actually the one who needs a life! if everyone was cool and had a life like you really cool guys say you have a ''LIFE'' LOL then things would not be here! the COOL iPod wouldn't be here as well Computers wouldn't be here soooo it tells you to leave the smarts one's alone!!!
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Sobbsy
at 18:42 9/3/2004
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Obviously, u dont post sweet f**k all, and u therefore dont know why we really do. the reason so many people post on these types of forums is to voice their own opinions, and to LEANR something, obviuosly u dont know ow to do that. fo back to pokemon u silly n00b.And yes, it DOS matter what core speed, mem speed, how many gb/s a card can theow around. a card could have 500,000000 transistors and still not be able to beat a card that only has 200,000000, the reason? architecture. plain and simple, now, if that 500,000000 transistor card had one frucking high core speed coupled with mem speed? then it'd very likely kick the lesser cards ass. but it doesnt all come down to the amount of transistors, if a lot of people here did some it courses and studied, u'd learn that, but most of u cant be stuffed, so who cares? some of us do, so piss off back to Kiddie-strike on ur tnt2 and leave the smart ones alone.
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Anonymous
at 18:37 9/3/2004
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I agree with DoubleA, you fanboys should go find urselves some girlfriends or whatnot. You spend way too much time in front of a computer screen arguing about cards that are not even out yet!!!
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Double A
at 18:34 9/3/2004
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Fot the love of god, some of you people really need to SHUT THE F*CK UP... Just to makes things straight, does it really matter what the core of any card is, what the memory clock of any card is, how many "terrabites" a card has? Any of these cards will play your godamn games and I believe most of you here are over 15 (maybe some of you are still 5-6 mentally, but thats another story) so I think it's time to find yourselves a life and stop posting stupid comments on this forum. By the way, the ones that say this card will own that card and that card will be the king on top of shit hill, well you people are plain dumb, immature, name it. You have no way of knowing wich cards owns wich untill you see pure benchmarks. I'll be more than happy to come here in 3 months when the cards will be released and fully tested and see that most of you are 100%wrong.
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Anonymous
at 17:36 9/3/2004
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ATI has been in the business longer than Nvidia, just to let your dumb ass know!
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Anonymous
at 17:1 9/3/2004
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YOUR ALL NEEEEERRRRDDSSSS stop fantasizing and argueing about your video cards and get a life you smelly nerds
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Anonymous
at 16:3 9/3/2004
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Listen guys, as a digital logic board engineer, I can tell you that the NV40 will definitely not have 200 over million transistors. Think about it, it would need around 211 million transistor to have a full 16 pixel pipeline with one TMU per pass, plus a core clock over 500. I agree with the person below it would just be inefficient and run hot as the sun on a .13nm core. You really think that they would beat the competition by over 50 million transistors. ATI is definitely not stupid.
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Anonymous
at 15:24 9/3/2004
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Read this review of the 9800xt vs. the 5950. The 9800XT is all over the 5950. And who says Nvidia has perfect drivers?? Just read the review and you will see Nvidia has plenty of issues with current games and it's current forceware drivers.http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NTgwLDk= "In FarCry there is no room for doubt here, the ABIT 9800XT performs and looks far better. The ABIT 9800XT is clearly using Pixel Shader 2.0 by default and the GeForceFX 5950Ultra is clearly not. This difference alone makes the image quality different between both cards. Plain and simple the ABIT 9800XT is producing better image quality with higher performance in this demo." http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NTgwLDE= Hopefully the NV40 will be better then the failure of chips in the NV3xx line....
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Anonymous
at 15:7 9/3/2004
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Nvidiots should know that the majority of 3DFX employees left to work at ATI. Most of the Engineers are there.....Go to theinquirer.net and it has a story about it.....
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Anonymous
at 15:4 9/3/2004
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Don't really think that the NV40 will hit 600MHZ, or even ATI. This is a good link to describe it.
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14593
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DAMNIT
at 14:58 9/3/2004
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Damnit, you people needa life
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Anonymous
at 8:52 9/3/2004
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there are not enough canadians to be 90% of ATI's fan-crew!
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Sobbsy
at 20:46 8/3/2004
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Yep, he's one confused n00b that's for sure, just so HE knows, as u do, i'll explain. Voodoo was made by 3dfx, 3dfx was sold out by nvidia, so he thinks that nvidia is king for crushing a small yet bloody goot company. it's petty, and stoopid, and nvidia should be slaughtered for it, not only do they kill 3dfx, but then they make the fx cards that were in honor of 3dfx (as nvidia chairman said) and THEIR SHIT! geez nfu ckfags get over yourself...
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Anonymous
at 20:35 8/3/2004
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God why the f@ck did you create morons as nypp that think that nVidia made vodoo....
Stupid nVidiot
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G.to.the.O
at 19:58 8/3/2004
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i dont get it this is the same with Playstation and Xbox
before People use to love playstation even the xbox lovers we see today, they all loved playstation until Xbox came and they betrayed thier playstation's and went to Xbox the same thing happening here ATI comes up and takes all the fanboys who loved Nvidia! i think they went to Xbox because they knew the truth that Xbox is waaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy more better then playstation!
NINTENDO IS STILL A CLASSIC AND I BELEAVE EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE A NINTENDO, SONY AND MICROSOFT ARE where you'll have to decide wat to buy and be forever loyal to them!!!
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nypp
at 19:48 8/3/2004
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lol all you ATI fanboys know shit!!! Nvidia is the king! Nvidia made voodoo and all those cards and they still surviving. wat makes you think they gonna die now? YOU ATI FANBOYS SHOULD SHUT THE **** UP and i know that 90% of you ati fans are Canadien! Nvidia has been here for ages soooo SHUT UP AND RESPECT THE POWER OF NVIDIA THE WAY IT WAS MENT TO BE PLAYED!!!
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ROb
at 15:57 8/3/2004
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I think Ati is agood brand but they have shitty drivers I have a nvidia fx5600 ultra and it works great I think all thats gonna happen is Ati is gonna be ahead for a month when there new card is released and nvidia is gonna release a new card and put ati in there place like they always do
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Sobbsy
at 15:1 8/3/2004
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* r9700's
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Sobbsy
at 14:59 8/3/2004
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First, you kids who post links to The Inquirer, piss off, we prefer hard facts, not kiddy crap.Second, a possible reason why Ati released these specs is to allow the people at nvidia to believe they have got themselves a superior card, before Ati releases a card much more up to spec than the recent leaks show. They did it before with the e9700'a, their probably doing it again, and nvidia may just be fooled once more. now hush
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Smiley :-)
at 14:40 8/3/2004
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Look, the gargoyle's on Fire! Uh-oh...
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Anonymous
at 14:30 8/3/2004
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wtf w/ the details? is that all ati can come up with?
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Anonymous
at 14:17 8/3/2004
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My only comment is.. can ATi make a friggin driver package yet??
I have owned a few ATI 7500's and more recently an ATI 9700. The drivers were funky for the 7500 and a few years later STILL funky for the 9700. I had my 9700 for about 2 months, going through 2 driver revisions with it at the time and got very tired, quite quickly of the visual "junk" that would pop up in my games.
So at this point i have sold my 9700 to a friend and he gets the occasional junk too but he is dealing with it.
Me? I have gone to the nVidia camp and am quite happy with the support and driver quality.
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Anonymous
at 14:15 8/3/2004
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Hes got a good point
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GregMan
at 14:14 8/3/2004
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The Catch 22 with this Card war, is noone is a winner, if Nvidias card ownz the Ati one.. then Ati will lose.. Nvidia will become a monopoly.. and the price for cards will go up, as there will be no competition for them.. its good that the 2 are at eachothers necks! i want both cards to be good :D
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Spfy
at 14:4 8/3/2004
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See if Nvidia has gone gddr3 @ 1.6ghz or stragerring 51.2GB/s, things start to look interesting on Nvidia's turf than ATI's gddr2 @ 1ghz or 32GB/s. ATI isn't showing any signs of major hardware improvement over the current generation. And isn't nvidia goin to have a faster clock as usual than ATI?
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Anonymous
at 13:51 8/3/2004
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the r420 details are out and atidiots are panicking lmao!
there's nothing those atidiots can say or do. just have to swallow the painful truth slowly. ouch!
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Anonymous
at 13:50 8/3/2004
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doomed ati..lol,what a bunch of invidiots you guys are ,suck it up fanboys....lol
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Anonymous
at 13:48 8/3/2004
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Hey Arrow, the title reads 'ATI RV380 to beat Intel to native PCI Express draw'.
What a desperate attempt trying to find some hope left for the doomed ATI.
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Anonymous
at 13:37 8/3/2004
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damn, the ati spex look good. they're gonna pwn nvidia once again. just like the a64 pwnz the p4, mhz is not everything. even if the ati cards will have less raw power than nvidias - switch on just 1 shader or filer and ati will pwn nvidia again.
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Arrow
at 13:8 8/3/2004
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Looks like ATI has beaten Intel and Nvidia out of the gate for PCI express. Native cards and not the bridge format cards....
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14561
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Anonymous
at 13:5 8/3/2004
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No one knows the true details of the R420. No one. Until both cards are released and tests are done, then we will know which is the faster card. Or the card with better IQ.
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Anonymous
at 12:19 8/3/2004
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the day the cards are released is the day canada mourns
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Anonymous
at 12:13 8/3/2004
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Here, let me sum up this article for you... ATi is scared shit of nVIDIA's progress so they released the details hoping to reclaim their fanboys which are having doubts of still being an ATi fan since the news of the more powerful NV40. Nothing more.
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Anonymous
at 10:28 8/3/2004
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Is it me or something, R420 seems kinda dissapointing @ this moment. I thought they said its gonna be 2x faster than 9700pro and stuff, its only 500mhz for cpu. Dunno, just having 1 side conversation :D . Liked the Nvidia spects tho
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Uberwang
at 10:24 8/3/2004
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i got the biggest c**k in here!!!!!Ynay!
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Anonymous
at 9:6 8/3/2004
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when is the expected release of theze cardz?
i think ill by 1 a month or 2 after they are out so the price is down a bit
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GS
at 4:54 8/3/2004
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aaah, since when do people on the net know what they are talking about??? Just go ahead and join us!! The Flame Makers !!!ATI SUCKS!!!
*changes name*
Nvidia SUCKS!!!
*changes name*
ATI....etc got it? its all for fun,,, yet its a real waste of time in the same time ^^ :) remember not to use rational comments... its a lost case on the net... rest ur case already ^^ nuff said.
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420
at 4:27 8/3/2004
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im just glad its 420 :) haha, but in all fairness both cards will be good. If nvidia pulls the shit again were their cards sound like a tornado coming then ide rather go with a much quieter ati card.
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Mj_Pimp
at 0:17 8/3/2004
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lol, might just b me but ne1 who chooses Nvidia over ATi is a complete retard?Period
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???
at 19:5 7/3/2004
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cat vp 512 600$ last time i cheeked it was the same as the grforcefx ultra get a clue dip shit
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Jekyll Reed
at 17:29 7/3/2004
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That's just wonderful... ok now how much will this cost? An arm and a leg? What... same with the new NVidia card? OK FOLKS... WHAT'S NEW???
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UseCommentsRight
at 17:6 7/3/2004
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90% of you don't know what your talking about...THE
CARDS
ARE
NOT
OUT
YET
SO
NOONE
KNOWS
WHICH
ONE
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UNTIL
THEY
ARE
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AND
COMPARIED
SPECS
MEAN
NUTHING
UNTIL
THE
CARDS
ARE
PUT
TO
THE
TEST Do you guys get it?
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YOUR MOM
at 15:23 7/3/2004
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Anonymous
at 13:58 7/3/2004
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Sexxmaster is right we dont use the full bandwidth of the 8x AGP bus yet, so the extra bandwidth of the PCI-Express bus will be no help what so ever. It will however help with the overall speed of the computer system because of the way the PCI-Express bus does it's data transfers with the CPU & Memory.
Thankyou
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Dragon X
at 13:44 7/3/2004
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simply stop arguing about the AGP thing. the bridge provided by nvidia, Sorry nVIDIA has the ability to perform on both slots however being a bridge creates compatibility issues and runs at less power. research about it. second is to clarify the stupid comments of the AGP vs the nVIDIA PCI: both will have PCI, except ATI instead of creating a bridge model like nvidia, decided to make full pci card, making it less issues and full use of power. I dont think R420 will have 16 pipeline, at least it doesnt seems that way, but if they have atleast 12 things would be interesting. the extra million transitors will in fact give an advantage to nvidia over ATi but hell dont satr giving the crown just yet, since both havent come out and besides its seems nvidia went the extra mile to ensure winning hyping the chip with more transitors and 16 pipeline etc.... seems the story as nvidia being the P4 EE while ATi will be Athlon 64 and if this is so then Nvidia might win as well. unles they make stupid mistakes like bad IQ or sumthing. from now on i declare futile all coments on ATi being AGP and nVIDIA being PCI, mainly because the ATi that will have PCI is the competitor and you are comparing to the AGP version.
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Anonymous
at 13:15 7/3/2004
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The ATI will be using 12pipeline. The Nvidia will be faster because higher memory speeds, 16X PCI= double bandwidth, than 8XAGP, also Nvidia will be using 16 pipeline.
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SexxMaster ICE
at 11:34 7/3/2004
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alright first off the guy below me is a complete and utter moron, secondly, who cares about a card that none of use will ever buy or even use in the near future,the nVIDIA card [b]will[/b] have 16 pipelines, as where the radeon will have either 8 or 12 (dont know as this has not been released yet), and with the nVIDIA card using gddr3 256-bit memory and just naturally higher memory clock speeds and not to mention better fill rates and the such, theoretically the card will perform twice as good without the PCI-Xpress Bus width. I also saw that someone below me wrote that we dont even tap 8x AGP bandwidth yet, and we dont, so it does not make sense to go on to a new platform yet, with all of these thing present in the new NV40 then "theoretically" the NV40 will be about 3x faster than the NV35 (aka gffx5950 ultra) and the ATi card even if it uses a 12 pipeline architecture then it is still going to have a extremely smaller fill rate even if all of the other specs are the same, look at the 5700 ultra and the 5900se, the 5900 ran better because it had 8 pixel pipes vs 4 and also the memory bus was more too, (even though the 5900 was way under clocked as opposed to the 5700)
(not a fanboy just stating the facts)
PWN'D
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at 10:32 7/3/2004
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Anonymous
at 10:17 7/3/2004
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ati rocks
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Anonymous
at 9:55 7/3/2004
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such fanboys! I place my bets ati will own
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Anonymous
at 7:51 7/3/2004
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Yes nvidia sucks now, but it might be a whole different story come NV40, but then again it may suck again. But if it doesn't suck and it blows R420 out of the water you will be the person on here saying that image quality is bad or its too expensive or they cheated somehow because you cant accept the fact that there is more then one option when it comes to video cards.
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Anonymous
at 6:34 7/3/2004
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I agree. At this point, all speculation. They are even saying that the 210 million chip will be the NV45 and not the NV40 which will be released later on after the NV40...Who knows....until it comes...
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Anonymous
at 6:26 7/3/2004
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Look at that stupid ATI fan boy, he make all ATI fanboys look bad. Just show how imature they can be.
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Anonymous
at 5:51 7/3/2004
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1st off I think ATI made a smart move having two models of their cards, one being dedicated to 8x AGP the othe PCIx, it will surely reduce compatibility issue. At this time there are no real specs for the R420, nothing that really gives us an idea of it's power, except for the fact it will be using 256 bit GDDR3 memory modules. It's fact that Nvidia likes to blow a lot of smoke before their launch of a new generation product. NV40 to have over 210 million transistors, a clock over 500, and a (Full 16 pixel pipeline with one TMU per pass. This seems unbelieveable on a .13 nm, it will surely run as hot as the sun. Anyway all of these specs came for sources close to Nvidia and not from Nvidia themselves.
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at 5:13 7/3/2004
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Sobbsy
at 4:27 7/3/2004
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Argument (ar*gyou*ment) n. A discussion that occurs when I'm right, but you haven't realised it yet.Now hush
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Murmandarmus
at 3:57 7/3/2004
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Some are arguing, some are flame throwing, some are provideing usefull information, some poeple dont know squat, some poeple love to fight about crap, ect.
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Anonymous
at 3:34 7/3/2004
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since we all agree that spec dont mean shit and only benchmark can show us something, why are we still argueing ?
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Murmandarmus
at 2:35 7/3/2004
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I believe what he means by bridge on the NV40 cards is the ability they may have to work in agp 8x and pci-e 16x. This allows nvidia to make one model for both pci-e and agp. which will reduce compatibility issues. (this may be incorrect, correct if you ACTUALLY know)And what is with some of you peeps saying R420 has 16 pipelines, can you provide a referance. And you should know that specs dont mean everything. Like an examply i gave in another post, a athalon 64 at 2.2 ghz will beat a p4 at 3.2 ghz in most gameing benchmarks
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CaT
at 1:58 7/3/2004
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Cool, I want a R420 now!
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V3rT0
at 1:50 7/3/2004
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To the asshole that posted this "ATI is going to support full native PCI where Nvidia will use a bridge. Get your shit straight." What bridge? WTF are you talking about? The new cards Nvidia is making is whole new cards, you f**king d**k head.
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V3rT0
at 1:48 7/3/2004
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These ATI fan boys is really assholes and dont want to accept the fact that Nvidia got better cards this round. Look at both specs, the ATI is using f**king 8XAGP and Nvidia is using 16XPCIExpress, both cards is 16pipeline, and the other nvidia specs is higer. But after seeing that ATI fanboys still got their heads up ATI ass, so they still wont admit that Nvidia got better cards this round, just look at te specs damnit.
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Anonymous
at 1:8 7/3/2004
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lol
if the 9800 was slower than the fx5900 and still kicked its ass i wonder how will THESE speeds affect the difference :)
It's just gonna rock.
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Anonymous
at 23:13 6/3/2004
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What's this aboot?
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chef boyardee
at 23:10 6/3/2004
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ATI will own, why .. because its made by Canada and not some godless Americans. See that little picture at the top of this page. It's a freakin silver gargoyle, and it's blazing in a inferno! A bloody fire gargoyle!! Let's see if nvidia can top that shit. That pic is so awesome I made it my desktop background.
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Murmandarmus
at 21:20 6/3/2004
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The VP990 Pro (Wildcat vp 512) vs Quadro GLX 980 (nVIDIA work station card)http://www.lostcircuits.com/video/3dlabs_vp990/10.shtml The Wildcat looses most benchies.
And why o why arnt the nvidia peeps selling their workstation card as a desktop product especially in times of need when they are getting trouble from ATi, which according to what you said owns all the cards on the market....... COS IT CANT PLAY HALF DECENT GAMES!..... soory, i just get all worked up when i see posts everywere with people saying how the 512 wildcat owns all other cards.
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Anonymous
at 20:46 6/3/2004
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get a life u losers. nvidia & ati wont provide a life 4 they just want your money, so stop fighting about it!
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Murmandarmus
at 20:28 6/3/2004
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And how much did this wild cat vp 512 card cost. Last time i checked it was a little over $2000 Australian. If you feel the need to spend that much go right ahead. Reason bein that it has soo much memory at such slow speeds is because it's for workstations and openGL programs like 3d studio max ect. Compare your $2000 wildcat to a Radeon 9800xt in a direct x9 game and you will see why no one else is going "at 20:21 6/3/2004
Dude you guys bitch to much fanboy this fanboy that well ya no what get with the f**king pro gram you nivida and ati fanboys 3dlabs had a 512mb video card that makes 3dmovies/'s jarasik park toy story final fantasy o ya dont forget doom3 and every othere game made in 3dmax lol get wth the f**king program ya fanboys ati sucks nivida suck when thay had 8mb video cards 3dlabs had a 512mb video card dont get me roing ths cards most likly gona be a bit nicer but 3dlabs withh have bater over all performence with 512ram and 300proceser on there caed lol and thats lik e a 6to 7 year olf card boys" next time try to talk english. Poeple like you piss me off.
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at 20:21 6/3/2004
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Dude you guys bitch to much fanboy this fanboy that well ya no what get with the f**king pro gram you nivida and ati fanboys 3dlabs had a 512mb video card that makes 3dmovies/'s jarasik park toy story final fantasy o ya dont forget doom3 and every othere game made in 3dmax lol get wth the f**king program ya fanboys ati sucks nivida suck when thay had 8mb video cards 3dlabs had a 512mb video card dont get me roing ths cards most likly gona be a bit nicer but 3dlabs withh have bater over all performence with 512ram and 300proceser on there caed lol and thats lik e a 6to 7 year olf card boys
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Anonymous
at 19:56 6/3/2004
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Yea that was with there FX line which everybody knows is a pile of ass. This is a new core. New Beast. I highly doubt Nvidia will make the same mistake twice.
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Icarus
at 19:54 6/3/2004
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We all Remember nVIDIA's last hardware specs... And ATI still won "Card of the year" When nVIDIA had the higher specs, Don't sucker punch the cards before they hit the market. I am not a ATI fan, But I have to admit that nVIDIA slipped on the last one, But I still hold them in high faith, I believe they will actually deliver this time. Until then, there is no use arguing.
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Murmandarmus
at 19:48 6/3/2004
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Because nvidia are useing the PCI express bridge it will mean you can plug the card into 8x agp as well as 16x pci. There is no evidence to show that this will hamper the performance of 16x pci. Unlike nVIDIA, ATi cards will be only able to run on either 16x or 8x (unless they change it to be like nVIDIA) which will create compatibity issues. At least nVIDIA is attempting to make the upgrade to 16x easier for those with pockets not so deep.Also the specs on ATi cards on the net have not said anything about it haveing 16 pipelines, sure it may adapt to have them later if they feel it is need to compete with NV40, but in the mean time R420 has 12
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Anonymous
at 19:0 6/3/2004
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He's right....the bandwidth be as nothing compared to the extra power of the transistors...plus the nVIDIA cards have onboard mpeg encoding...far more helpful than ATI. Plus at my development house, we use multiple monitors, and this is FAR easier to setup and performance-kind with nVIDIA cards.
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Anonymous
at 18:56 6/3/2004
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"nvidia is gay, get over it, when pci express will come out, ATI will have its version which is already under production and will also have 16x and 16 pipelines you stupid f**k" - you are an idiot. You just had to go further down the news headlines to see that the Nvidia cards: "will feature a full 16 pipelines" plus will have 210 million transistors to ATI's 180 million, 10 million more than what they thought Nvidia NV40 would have, therefore thinking they had the advantage. ATI HAS GOT IT WRONG. Therefore, Nvidia will win this generation of GPU's, as did ATI last time.
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Anonymous
at 18:49 6/3/2004
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Correct you wont get full bandwith one direction. You will have to split it between the two. But you can also support AGP with the bridge since you have people that don't upgrade/buy new computers until the current one is 10 years old.
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Anonymous
at 18:1 6/3/2004
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The R423 will be ATI's PCI express card. And you won't see a motherboard support it until almost next year so PCI express when it's released is almost useless at this point. A bridge version is not exactly a good alternative.....
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Anonymous
at 17:3 6/3/2004
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???? I don't get it ????
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Anonymous
at 16:35 6/3/2004
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skateboard and show board lol sounds like showBOARD lol
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Your MOM
at 16:34 6/3/2004
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no matter what people say, i love nVIDIA, also could u please please ati suckers spell nVIDIA correctly like keep the " n " small and "VIDIA" capital.
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JIHAAAD
at 16:32 6/3/2004
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Anonymous
at 16:21 6/3/2004
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Why don't you show me some benchmarks that prove the R420 will outperform the NV40 and I might listen to your ATI rants.
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at 16:19 6/3/2004
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i totaly love how megagames now type the news "managed to misplace some vital R420 information." lol this is good i hope it stays like that.much better then how it was done previously
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Anonymous
at 16:19 6/3/2004
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Motherboards supporting PCI Express release in about 6 months. I'm glad you think PCI Express is going to matter right now when cards dont even tap the bandwith of AGP 8X.
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xxelfranko
at 16:17 6/3/2004
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Ah... finally the truth comes out; ATI WILL KICK NVIDIA'S SORRY ASS
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Anonymous
at 16:16 6/3/2004
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"The PCI Express is 16X. ATI Still using 8X AGP...lol"A classic example of a true fag. Motherboards supporting PCI Express won't be available for at least a year after the cards are released and even then it will be rare.
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Anonymous
at 16:15 6/3/2004
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skateboard and snowboard?Geez how retarded is that? plenty I think. ps. I seriously doubt any product that hasnt been released yet and then felt the first software patch.
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TheRook
at 16:13 6/3/2004
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The last 2 anonymous posters are right...ATi is 16 pipelines Nvidia are only 8, Nvidia will be using a PCI Express 'Bridge' which means a lower transfer speeds... and ATi's will be supporting it full... and to the guy who posted that the speeds are slow you need to get a life... the 9800pro speeds are slower than the 5900ultra... and it still kicks its ass TheRook
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Anonymous
at 16:8 6/3/2004
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nvidia is gay, get over it, when pci express will come out, ATI will have its version which is already under production and will also have 16x and 16 pipelines you stupid f**k
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Anonymous
at 16:7 6/3/2004
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ATI is going to support full native PCI where Nvidia will use a bridge. Get your shit straight.
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Anonymous
at 16:5 6/3/2004
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The PCI Express is 16X. ATI Still using 8X AGP...lol. Nvidia Cards will have double the bandwidth than the ATI's will have, Nvidia will win the war!
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Anonymous
at 15:48 6/3/2004
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Yes if those specs are true it will blow the R420 out of the water, but you think that matters to the ATI fanboys here?
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Anonymous
at 15:38 6/3/2004
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If those are the specs on the R420, the Nvidia is faster than this by FAR.
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Anonymous
at 15:35 6/3/2004
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Let the ATI fanboys go to town on this one!
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Daedalus
at 15:5 6/3/2004
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Aren't we cool?This is pretty awesome...except I doubt that I'll be able to afford these cards. That's alright though, because it'll push down the other cards prices. Also, hopefully this new line'll include some 'l33t' notebook video cards.
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ssj10goku2k2
at 14:48 6/3/2004
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first post
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