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at 7:14 18/6/2004
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Actually, you are all arguing over nothing. Both camps products are dead before they get started. These are mere money making parts and that's it. They will both get, well ATI will get a speed bump and most likely SM 3.0 support between November and February I'm guessing. That will be the stuff. These current products are just something for the OEMs to keep busy with and keep the maketing people from getting lazy. Anyone who buys a graphics card better than a 9800 pro 128 at the moment is wasting their hard earned cabbage. So, again argument = waste.One thing I can say though is ATI was merciful toward NVidia by not releasing SM 3.0 this generation, but I wouldn't say taht ATI has lost it's thirst for blood. Nvidia will soon be hurting again. Another major factor that many refuse to consider is that you can go to Best Buy right now and buy an X800 pro. Can You buy a even a 6800 non ultra? NO. I rest my case. NVidia's only hope was mobo chipsets, but alas, even Via has managed to up the ante for those. Time for the little green company that bought it's tech from dead or dying companies to follow their herd into that great video graphics bone yard in the sky. Nvidia Blows. Eat me ya nancy booger boys.
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ATi Till i die
at 5:57 27/5/2004
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Oh well.... ATi Do it again! w00t! This time nVidiots dont stand a chance! Nice try though with the nVida 6800 it packed a punch! Still though ATi came back with a BANG! w00t ill day again and keep it up ATi!!!
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Anonymous
at 9:29 26/5/2004
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X800 is overrated, more expensive with less tech.
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Anonymous
at 11:0 24/5/2004
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good decission by creative. i guess those big companies didn't get big because they're stupid. crative made a smart choice.
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nVRULES!
at 0:25 24/5/2004
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Creative Labs dumped ATI and continue to work with nVIDIA. Just like any other big well-known companies, they prefer nVIDIA over ATI.
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nVRULES!
at 0:23 24/5/2004
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------------------------------------ATI LOSING ITS PARTNERS Terratec has left the graphic business because of the pressure.
And now it seems that the giant Creative Labs which is ATI's most valuable partner is also feeling miffed, at least with one vendor of graphic card chips. We understand that Creative won't use ATI technology - at least not this generation - or as a source told us it wants to "wind down their ATI business". We don't know what broke up the marriage, but it's obvious that Creative Labs is unhappy with the current arrangement. Creative will continue to support its current customers that have already bought cards and will supply product for as long as it necessary. But as soon as ATI has fulfilled some contractual arrangements, Creative will just shut its ATI business down, we understand.
Creative Labs has promised us a detailed explanation this coming Monday. However, we know that many ATI partners will love the news since this means more cards for them to sell, but I guess the startroopers at ATI's Mothership HQ is not very happy at losing the biggest retail partner from its score card. We also learned that ATI wants to get closer to retailers, whatever that means, but it won't ship any cards directly which can lower sales drastically. Creative Labs will continue to use nVIDIA chips, it appears. ------------------------------------
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at 0:40 18/5/2004
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PETER
at 8:59 13/5/2004
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CONTINUED...
They give a crap when Nvidia's direct competiton can put out a card that runs faster at higher resoultuions and offers better IQ and is smaller requiring standard power solutions. And OEM's look for that feature too. Practicality. And in being smaller, can fit into any PC rig. The 6800Ultra cannot. Form Factor rigs need not apply at all.
And let's take a vote. How many people here when they buy a high-end video card, over-clock it? I know i do. Most do. We are called extreme gamers and want maximum performance for our money spent. 499+ money spent. Guess what? You will need that 480W solution or higher then. And you will need to connect those 2 molex connectors then. HELLO 2 SLOT SOLUTION. Just add a extra $100 dollars to that shiny new 6800Ultra also for that power supply. And the R420 does not need that. That's why people give a crap. I know i will. I like my LAN gaming rig. "A good quality 350W power supply with a sufficient 12V rail pull can support the 6800 Ultra standard clocks of 400/550. A lot of reviewers have already shown that they are running on 350W power supplies with no problems. Overclockers will still want the big power supply and will want to connect both molex connectors. We are putting production tests in our manufacturing line to ensure this [new 350W requirement] is the case and will be lowering the spec."
- NVIDIA's General Manager of Desktop GPUs-
-hardocp.com- That sums that up. A classic Nvidia back-tracking P.R. move to quash the negative press. Buy a 6800Ultra, you best be getting a 480W power supply. It's not exactly like Nvidia tells the whole truth these days.
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PETER
at 8:49 13/5/2004
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Anonymous
at 2:43 12/5/2004 read the article at TechReport.com about the lowered power requirements.
http://www.techreport.com/onearticle.x/6712"I'm unsure what to make of this one. All testing of the GeForce 6800 Ultra in our reviews of the new GPUs, including the overclocked 450MHz version, were conducted with a 400W Antec PSU. Generally, we had smooth sailing. However, I've seen cheap power supplies rated at 500W that couldn't come close to handling the load a decent quality 350W unit could handle. I'm curious to see how NVIDIA will navigate this particular minefield with a lower recommended number." What Nvidia has done was to respond to the major negative press they received when they released the specs for the power supply for the 6800Ultra. This only happened after the XT800 and 800PRO cards were released and they trumped the 6800Ultra in a variety of tests. Those cards were 1 slot solutions and required less power. Now, if you want to take the chance and buy a 6800Ultra and buy a power supply of 350W, go for it. Some sites running a lower power supply noticed artifacts when running some games at that power rating. And if you over-clock your GPU's like almost all high-end card buyers, you best be getting a 400W supply or greater. Even Nvidia tells you this still. "x800 pro is the last bastion of hope for Ati fans. The only hope is that the GT is not available.. because when it is (soon)... it is simply superior." Edge 3D, the X800PRO 12 pipeline version beats the 6800Ultra 16 pipeline version in some tests and costs $100! So the GT version is Nvidia's 12 pipeline version. How the hell is it going to be superior when the 16 pipeline 6800Ultra cannot even beat the X800PRO(not even ATI's flagship chip) in all tests??
"two molex's ARE NOT needed to run the card...the second molex is to give it extra juice to OC....and a two slot solution...who gives a crap...like you use your first PCI slot anyways...." People DO give a crap. They give a crap
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Anonymous
at 8:31 13/5/2004
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"Reviewers have noticed image quality issues with Far Cry and are perplexed as to why the game performs better on the newly announced Radeon X800 graphics chipsets than the GeForce 6800. Comments? Is a future patch in the works that will support the new features of Shader Model 3.0?"
"We are aware of all the issues with Far Cry and we are working with Crytek to solve them as soon as possible. Some of the issues are driver bugs that we are working on, and some of the issues are application related and Crytek is working on a patch for this. We are also working with Crytek to get a Shader Model 3.0 patch added to the game."
-HARDOCP.COM-That was a interview with a Nvidia rep. And people have the balls to say. ATI has buggy drivers? What makes matters worse is the simple fact that FarCry is "The Way Its Meant To Be Played" title.
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Anonymous
at 5:20 12/5/2004
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in my experience of using nvidia cards: drivers, iq, performance.. sucks. Sorry to say it but your precious ForceWare drivers are no match for catalyst anymore.
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cantsay
at 4:10 12/5/2004
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Something that may also have contributed to Nvidia's lower clock speeds could be that the more transistors you have, the harder it is to get them running at the same speed. Running 222 million transistors at 500 mhz would be ... hard. Oh and 600 being the theoretical limit means that probably 550 is attainable and after that, it is going to be very tough to go any higher. It is all right though becuase both companies are moving to a smaller manufacturing process soon.
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Edge 3D
at 3:2 12/5/2004
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x800 pro is the last bastion of hope for Ati fans. The only hope is that the GT is not available.. because when it is (soon)... it is simply superior.
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chris
at 2:57 12/5/2004
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wolfchild, he got u there lol
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Anonymous
at 2:43 12/5/2004
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Anon @ 9:22 "Wolfchild, are you stupid???? Better and more flexible??? The card cannot fit in form factor pc rigs. The card cannot fit in some PC cases period. It takes up 2 slots and requires a unprecidented 480W of power!!!"Look who's the stupid one. first of all the two slot solution was only for the reference model. Retail will be single slot. 480w is not the minimum anymore. see here:
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/05/10/news_6096837.html
the 480w "minimum" is now being dropped to 350w and the two molex's ARE NOT needed to run the card...the second molex is to give it extra juice to OC....and a two slot solution...who gives a crap...like you use your first PCI slot anyways....its funny how people b!tch about a two slot solution...and most had a 9800pro with a arctic cooling silencer on it.....
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[SA]V3rT0
at 2:39 12/5/2004
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Nvidia Drivers are not bad, their great. I never had problems with them.
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spunkmeyer
at 2:30 12/5/2004
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sure this has already been through this forum and is now a million pages away gathering dust.....but ATI's card is running 520mhz.....the theortical limit for greater than 150million trannies on 0.13 is bout 600mhz........nvidia isnt too far behind and theyre only at 400mhz something....if the cards were equal speeds or if NV raises it i think NV would win and then ATI would claw back
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Anonymous
at 2:15 12/5/2004
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"I've never had an ATI card and I can say FROM MY OWN EXPERIENCE that nVidia drivers ARE infact bad."LOL that's so obvious that you don't have an nvidia. What are those Atidiots thinking, trying to attack Nvidia's drivers? LOL! Nvidia's drivers are THE BEST! Atidiots are trying too hard.
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[SA]V3rT0
at 16:29 11/5/2004
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I think i'll go for an Nvidia card next, it would be better for future games like Doom 3.
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Anonymous
at 16:18 11/5/2004
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All of you , what the hell is bich!
Its B I T C H. Dumbasses(except fot Ati fanboys, cause atleast there behind a winning card)
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cantsay
at 15:34 11/5/2004
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Well, I don't think that the x800XT has any overclocking potential at all. The THEORETICAL limit for the 0.13m manufacturing process is 600mhz. It is already clocked at close to that. Remember that is theoretical. A shrink is needed to push clock speeds furthur. Nvidia screwed up by using IBM and TSMC came through for ATI. This is the reason for ATI's high clocks and low power requirements. The low-k process. Also, the architecture of the nv40 has been described as "flexible." The pipelines can act as 16x1, 8x2, or 32x0 (shadows). The same way that the nv30 architecture was more flexible and R360 was more brute force. The nv30 could have been much better and nvidia has ironed out the scheduling issues it was having I am sure. I doubt that real world performance will suffer on nvidia's new part. However, I do think they need to raise their clocks to get the most out of the 0.13m process.
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Anonymous
at 12:33 11/5/2004
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I'm getting the X800 XT when it comes out.And I'd just like to say that so far I've never had an ATI card and I can say FROM MY OWN EXPERIENCE that nVidia drivers ARE infact bad. I've had a lot of problems with them. As for ATI, well, I can't say anything about them --yet-- :)
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Anonymous
at 9:22 11/5/2004
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That person saying the IQ is the same as the 9800 card is quite the moron. The 9800pro allows uses to play almost all games at 1600 or 1280 with anti-alaisng on 4x or 6x. You cannot do that with a 4200 card. And you notice the quality right away."i'd go for 6800 since it's better and more flexible." Wolfchild, are you stupid???? Better and more flexible??? The card cannot fit in form factor pc rigs. The card cannot fit in some PC cases period. It takes up 2 slots and requires a unprecidented 480W of power!!! The card is equipped with 220 million transistors. The very reason the card cannot be clocked much higher then it is. The only thing going for the 6800 over the x800, is PS3.0. And that won't be a factor until 2005 and when Microsoft releases DX9.0c. And by then, ATI will have the R500 or R480 out that supports PS3.0. Lte's least not forget T&L and PS1.4. Never used when they came out. PS3.0 looks to follow that route. Look at FarCry. That game is Nvidia's PS3.0 showcase. And a game that is "Way It's Mean't To Be Played" and runs slower on the 6800 then the X800. And has less IQ at higher resolutions. The 6800 is better by far on paper. The same way the NV30 was better then the 9700pro on paper. REAL WORLD RESULTS MATTER. NOT PAPER LAUNCHES AND SPECS. Results show unamimously that the R420 is faster all around and offers once again, better IQ and ANTI-ALAISNG.
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Anonymous
at 9:10 11/5/2004
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"Looks like the only ones screaming about faulty drivers are ATI users themselves. Seriously, have you seen Nvidia users saying that they have driver problems? I don't think so. I think ATI fanboys are now trying to say that Nidia has faulty drivers too. Now that's sad."Just read the reviews on the 6800 series and their drivers. Plenty of issues with games like FarCry and Unreal2004. And Nvidia still has not fixed that Bilinear filtering bullshit. You are forced to use it as opposed to Trilinear in their drivers. "I don't know what the point of running 1600x1200 4AA/8AF would be, since the 1600x1200 resolution makes anti aliasing somewhat mute." Get a good monitor, and you will see the difference right away. And that's the whole point of spending $499+ on a high-end card. To play at maximum resolutions. What's the point in playing games at lower resolutions on a high-end card? Stick to a mid-range one then. "Although the 2 slot 6800U is faster, I don't like the idea of using 2 slots and 2 molex. I have a 9800Pro and ti4200 now, and to be honest I don't see that much difference in image quality" First off, the 6800Ultra is not faster then the XT800. Review sites show this in detail. Secondly the IQ between the 9800pro and the 4200ti are MILES DIFFERENT. What crack have you been smoking? Try playing Unreal 2003, 2004 with AA+FSAA sampled high on that 4200ti at 1280 or 1600 and expect good frame rates. Not a chance. AA on R3xx chips are rotated grid gamma corrected AA. The NV3xx chips are not. And the 4200ti uses even more dated AA techniques. Buddy, get a 19' or 21' monitor and you will see the difference right away.
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Anonymous
at 7:10 11/5/2004
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"heh atidiots, harsh, irrational and stupid. why don't u try using nvidia instead idiot. atidiot that is."i have cards from both companies. nvidia is a piece of shit. ATI Rapes nvidia
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Genma
at 2:50 11/5/2004
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Got the same problem as [SA]V3rT0 with my 9800 playing raven shield. i admit the drivers are shit but any card isn't 100% perfect
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[SA]V3rT0
at 2:43 11/5/2004
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True, ATI fan boys should try using Nvidia, i use both ATI & Nvidia and i prefer Nvidia.
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Anonymous
at 2:32 11/5/2004
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heh atidiots, harsh, irrational and stupid. why don't u try using nvidia instead idiot. atidiot that is.
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at 2:32 11/5/2004
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heh atidiots, harsh, irrational and stupid
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[SA]V3rT0
at 2:31 11/5/2004
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My RAM is not messed up, i have 512 PNY PC2700 (PC333)DDR RAM. I built my system, like i said i probably know more about you when it comes to hardware and software. Like i sid many times before. I own cards from both companies, i got 2 PC's. The 9600XT freezes my PC while playing Americas Army, not my fault their drivers arnt stable. Because Americas Army works just fine on my Geforce 4.
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Anonymous
at 1:57 11/5/2004
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IQ is shit, COMPARED TO ATI you f**king idiot. Why don't you use an ATI card before you say shit. haha i laugh at nvidia, pathetic. We all know they'd be shit slow without "optimizations".hahaha "well fine I call it giving a sh1t about customers and I am very pleased with the new drivers."
i call it giving a shit about getting top on benchmarks and making more money by ripping n00bs like you off
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Zoolook
at 1:39 11/5/2004
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If you lived int he UK, you´d be welcome to come to my pad and look at Farcry with the 53.xx drivers then the 56.xx drivers where the game has been "optimised".It's faster, the IQ is better, AF works better, AA works better, the textures are fixed and the framrate is hugely improved. ATI loonies call it cheating..... well fine I call it giving a sh1t about customers and I am very pleased with the new drivers.
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mark83
at 1:15 11/5/2004
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well i dont really give a shit about fanboys spreading bogus hype about nvidia cheated, i know the 6800 series will rock, i know it has better advantages over ATI and I know I will make use of those beautiful hardware features. drivers are a last issue for me because every release works fine for me.
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Anonymous
at 1:10 11/5/2004
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lets not forget that the nv30 was one flop in a line of successes, while the 9700/9800 was one success in a long line of flops, half successes and driver bugs.
what relevance does all that have?...little to none probably.
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Sander S.
at 0:59 11/5/2004
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This is just one of those days when you have to pass judgment on two products that are both excellent but designed from two different perspectives. At one hand you have ATi’s Radeon X800 XT, small, quiet, low power, but with plenty of processing power. On the other hand there’s Nvidia’s GeForce 6800 Ultra, big, powerful, lots of raw processing power and plenty of new features. The Radeon X800 XT reminds me of a polished ruby. Radeon X800 XT will therefore be able to shine from the start, but will also not be much more than that, a polished ruby. The 6800 Ultra however is a diamond in the rough, freshly excavated and off to be cut and polished. That cut and polishing process is what’s going to make or break the diamond, it can be either a true 24-carat diamond or one of lesser quality. And how about the clockspeed both these graphics processors run at? ATi used to have a lower clockspeed than Nvidia, yet offering better performance. Things seem to have reversed now, ATi needs a 520MHz graphics processor to keep pace with Nvidia’s 450MHz processor, this means that Nvidia’s new architecture is faster and more efficient. Both use a 0.13-micron process to manufacture their processors, Nvidia talked to IBM and cut a deal with them, whereas ATi turned to TSMC for their silicon. Both these manufacturers have what it takes, but neither will be able to go around the clockspeed limits imposed by the process used. About 600MHz is as far as you’ll be able to clock a >150 million transistor 0.13-micron part. This means that ATi is already giving itself very little headroom, Nvidia however has got some room to play, a good 150 MHz, double that of what ATi has got left. All things considered ATi’s Radeon X800 XT is an excellent performer, but also one that has little headroom left. If Nvidia has good yields on their parts and decides to crank up the clockspeed to 500MHz tomorrow ATi won’t be able to keep pace. If they also release a new driver which boosts performance by a consider
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Anonymous
at 0:20 11/5/2004
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DeQuosaek: bla bla bla... whatever dude. look who's the dedicated fanboy now.
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DeQuosaek
at 21:29 10/5/2004
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For the people who say they will buy a 6800 Ultra: Have fun shelling out 650-700 bucks for your new video card and new 500W power supply. Just make sure and leave that 3rd slot under the card open too (as well as the 2nd slot it takes)... you wouldn't want the PCI card below that monster to melt. ;)
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DeQuosaek
at 21:22 10/5/2004
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"Looks like the only ones screaming about faulty drivers are ATI users themselves. Seriously, have you seen Nvidia users saying that they have driver problems? I don't think so. I think ATI fanboys are now trying to say that Nidia has faulty drivers too. Now that's sad."
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I wasn't screaming about faulty drivers, and I wasn't saying that nVidia has faulty drivers. (I'll just let the review sites say that) I was saying that both companies have drivers that are ok. Learn to read.And yes, I see many nVidia users here saying they have problems with ATi drivers. They all say, "oh, yeah, I had an ATi card (even though I'm a big nVidia fanboy) and I had all kinds of problems with it, so I got an nVidia card." Riiiiight. Sure you did. Funny how I've had ATi cards for the past 2 years without a single problem. It must be user error.
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Anhaedra
at 17:31 10/5/2004
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Why bitch over either one? Either one you buy, you will not be disappointed, as they BOTH beat the 9800XT and 5950 Ultra, so why worry?
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wolfchild
at 16:36 10/5/2004
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i'd go for 6800 since it's better and more flexible.
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Anonymous
at 15:54 10/5/2004
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If I want to shell out hella cash the x800 XT is the best choice. If you use linux or just dont want to empty your wallet the nvidia 6800 GT is very affordable and offers performance very close to a 6800 Ultra. Keep in mind the GT has all 16 pipes enabled while ati value card has but 12 going. As for linux users .... d3d aint running on linux anytime soon... so nvidia is definitely the way to go.
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Anonymous
at 15:48 10/5/2004
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"Anon at 15.33 i know for a fact that you don't have an nvidia 6800. nvidia having driver problems? lol, find something else to say."Ok, nvidia cards suck compared to Ati cards. Happy now you stupid bitch
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Shamr0ck
at 15:45 10/5/2004
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Basically the same for me for the X800XT. My biggest problem is I love to game as much as I can under linux, and while NV does lack in a few issues, their 3d linux support is far better than ATI's IME, so I'm sorta stuck. If I can afford it, and the drivers for linux are decent, I will go X800XT, if the drivers aren't decent, I'll be looking at NV.
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Kid Alien
at 15:40 10/5/2004
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I really wouldn't buy either because of the costs, but if pressed I'd go with the 6800GT. The games I play are mainly OpenGL based, and in that scenario its no contest. Plus, Nvidia has good support with Linux, which I swtich to when I'm not playing games. Although the 2 slot 6800U is faster, I don't like the idea of using 2 slots and 2 molex. I have a 9800Pro and ti4200 now, and to be honest I don't see that much difference in image quality, so aside from knowing that its faster, it wouldn't justify a purchase of the x800 series because of the OpenGL performance. Looking towards Doom3, it would seem that the 6800 series will be a better card. Who knows when HL2 will come out...for me thats in the Duke Nukem Forever category. Even in DirectX games, the performance seems about the same between the cards. I don't know what the point of running 1600x1200 4AA/8AF would be, since the 1600x1200 resolution makes anti aliasing somewhat mute.
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Anonymous
at 15:39 10/5/2004
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Anon at 15.33 i know for a fact that you don't have an nvidia 6800. nvidia having driver problems? lol, find something else to say.
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Anonymous
at 15:37 10/5/2004
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I'd Buy ati for the extra performace, it takes up one slot, I dont have to buy a new PSU, and it runs cooler, oh and it doesnt have shitty drivers like nvidia
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Anonymous
at 15:34 10/5/2004
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i'd buy an ati for its slight performance
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Anonymous
at 15:33 10/5/2004
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"onlike peolpe who make these idotic remarks, I own(s) Ati cards,and NERVER had any probs with the drivers."ME TOO,and nvidia drivers suck monster balls! I know, cause I have a 6800.
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Anonymous
at 15:31 10/5/2004
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Who really gives a flying f**k about support!IF your buying a 400$ video card, you should now how to troubleshoot. And why in the world are these dumbass peolpe saying ATi has bad drivers! onlike peolpe who make these idotic remarks, I own(s) Ati cards,and NERVER had any probs with the drivers.
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Fubles
at 15:17 10/5/2004
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I'm not sure, I really really really want to upgrade but I won't need a new card until T:V gets here (of which I won't need a new card but it would be really nice to have one). But by then there will probably be refreshes of these cards and I'll probably end up with a Radeon X800 due to its slight performance, otherwise right now I'd probably swing GeForce 6800 for my OpenGL games and ps3 support since i don't want to re-upgrade later on if i don't have a ps3. who knows? many more games might support ps3 sooner than expected. It's a tough call, I really don't think you can make a wrong choice this time around.
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Anonymous
at 15:8 10/5/2004
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ati = great card, great performance, horrible drivers & supportnvidia = good card, more technology, great drivers & support it's all good baby..
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jasper
at 14:56 10/5/2004
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canadian product, what do you expect? quality? i don't think so.
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Anonymous
at 14:52 10/5/2004
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"That's always what nVidia fans say when they run out of logical arguments."Looks like the only ones screaming about faulty drivers are ATI users themselves. Seriously, have you seen Nvidia users saying that they have driver problems? I don't think so. I think ATI fanboys are now trying to say that Nidia has faulty drivers too. Now that's sad.
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Anonymous
at 14:40 10/5/2004
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Anonymous at 12:15, your post backfired. That article you posted by theinquirer is trying to tell you by showing how stupid those germans at chip.de are. Not telling people that Nvidia cheated.
Next time read the articles carefully and think with your brain instead. Man, those Atidiots are really idiots sometimes sighs...
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ATI Bloke
at 14:24 10/5/2004
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ATI rule yaya
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Anonymous
at 12:15 10/5/2004
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"Nvidia accused of overoptimising again
Application optimization spotted in Far CryBy Fuad Abazovic in Wien: Monday 10 May 2004, 11:17 WE WERE TOLD last week that Nvidia is again playing with some optimisation techniques.
According to chip.de, if, for example, you rename farcry.exe to fartcry.exe Nvidia's performance in 61.11 drivers will suffer a drop. Nvidia commented on this anomaly but didn't leave our German colleagues with any reasonable explanations apart from one saying that if you rename the file you will remove Z culling. This is something of a lame explanation." Nvidia is at it again. What a bunch of losers. Like they think they can pull this crap off now without people finding out? OEM'S must be happy about this. 2 1/2 years of cheating now Nvidia. Can yo go for 3? How pathetic and sad. And this was the game to showcase PS3.0 and the "WAY IT'S MEAN'T TO BE PLAYED"
6800ULTRA. Once again Nvidia has egg on it's face. Then again, they seem to be getting use to this. Just put that egg on the 6800 power hungry card and fry it. It runs that hot
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DeQuosaek
at 12:15 10/5/2004
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Look, neither card has that many driver problems. ATi's drivers have worked rock solid for me for the past 2 years. nVidia's drivers have also worked rock solid for me for the past 2 years.ATi does not have driver problems. That's always what nVidia fans say when they run out of logical arguments. It's an old argument and it's simply not true anymore. Same thing happened with the 9700pro. "Boo hoo, my card is slower, so let's try and defame the fast card." It's not going to work anymore. And the guy who said nVidia updates their drivers every 30 seconds to try and make them sound good doesn't realize that is not a good thing. Driver updates usually happen to fix problems. A good company will always have updates, but more updates isn't necessarily something to brag about.
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Anonymous
at 10:34 10/5/2004
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Nvidia drivers have problems also. From the sound of all you Nvidia supporters it would sound like Nvidia has flaw or god like drivers. This is far from the truth. ALL gpu companies have driver issues. And most times it's not even your GPU thats the problem. It can be your PC setup. So far this year, Nvidia has shown some major issues with driver instablity. Not ATI. Times ahve changed. I think people should start to live for the now and not the past. ABIT, ASUS, CREATIVE, Herucles and other Board makers are moving on. They are now making ATI cards. If ATI drivers were so poor, why then would the largest gpu board makers start making cards using ATI chipsets? Nvidia no longer has multiple exclusive board makers. Only one is left. That's Gainward. And they are a small company. ABIT which is the largest gpu maker in the world is mking chips for ATI. And ASUS which is right behind them in production size. MarketShare tells it all. Nvidia no longer holds that over ATI. Nvidia are 3rd now. It's only a matter of time before Gainward starts to make GPU'S for ATI also.
Scary thought too. ATI now has more exclusive board makers then Nvidia now since the 9700pro. Like i said, Nvidia only has one....
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Anonymous
at 10:27 10/5/2004
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"LOL your a funny guy. Calling me a dumbass doesnt change the fact that their drivers doesnt work properly."Too bad Unreal 2004 and FarCry have major driver issues on Nvidia cards. What a laugh. And those are "way it's meant to be played games"
Enjoy the extra power supply you will need Nvidiots. And the extra slot it will take up. lol
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TheInquirer.net
at 6:48 10/5/2004
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"We were told last week that Nvidia is again playing with some optimisation techniques.
According to chip.de, if, for example, you rename farcry.exe to fartcry.exe Nvidia's performance in 61.11 drivers will suffer a drop.
Nvidia commented on this anomaly but didn't leave our German colleagues with any reasonable explanations apart from one saying that if you rename the file you will remove Z culling. This is something of a lame explanation."That's the dumbest, lamest, most pathethic comment in attempt to bring Nvidia down.
Looks like ATi didn't pay Chip.de enough to at least make a smarter comment. How do losers get on top? Money talks my friend...
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stu
at 6:17 10/5/2004
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my money is still on nvidia. they never let me down and that what makes them the best!
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Jared
at 6:10 10/5/2004
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Yes we do have sucky drivers but we're in 1st place! Nvidiots!
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Anonymous
at 4:31 10/5/2004
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lol ati drivers are to laugh at. yes some of you didn't get errors, good for you. but most of ati users (including myself) experienced the driver problems continuosly. it's been on for years until now. if i have enough money i'll buy an nvidia for sure. it makes more sense.
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Raptor
at 4:5 10/5/2004
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[SA]V3rT0, real gamers, graphic enthusiast and many others who owns both cards and work in related issues knows for a fact that ATi drivers are not stable. The rest are just whining know-nothing biased fanboys.
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Anonymous
at 0:41 10/5/2004
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[SA]V3rT0 your ram is probably shit-up. don't blame ATI for your cheap generic components
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Sandok
at 23:54 9/5/2004
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I own an ATI card and from what I've experienced on my 9800 Pro, is a perfect gameplay experience! No probs... Never crashed yet cuz of my 3D card... My friends all own NVIDIA and they never crash either so why not u all SHUT THE f**k UP instead of bitchin about! Both the company offers great drivers!
ATI: Speed and performance
NV: Speed and TchnologyThey both got good and bad stuff in them ok? I mean each of these companies are great¨Right now, ATI is offering better speeds and better performance in the huge majority of games (with AA and AF) enabled while NV is offereing technology for softwares and games... So both are trying different stuff!!! Really, stop just stickin to one of the two cards and OPEN UR EYES!!!..
that's all i got to say :D
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[SA]V3rT0
at 22:52 9/5/2004
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LOL your a funny guy. Calling me a dumbass doesnt change the fact that their drivers doesnt work properly. Watch who your calling noob, i probably know more than you when comes to building PC's and PC hardware and software.
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Anonymous
at 21:19 9/5/2004
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[SA]V3rT0= DUMBASS noob who cant do nothing right
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[SA]V3rT0
at 21:6 9/5/2004
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Well you guys are the fools, its this simple. I play Americas Army with my Radeon 9600XT and it locks up my PC sometimes. Not my fault you ATI fanboys dont want to accept the fact that their drivers still dont work properly.
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Anonymous
at 19:50 9/5/2004
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[SA]V3rT0, that old, old, old story about ATI drivers being poor is running a little old now. This seems to be the only excuse Nvidiots can use to justify buying a FX card or the new power sucking 2 slot beast called the 6800. When you read the reviews on the R420 and the NV40, the first thing besides the reviewers telling you that the R420 is faster and has better AA, is the fact that the Catalyst drivers give no problems in any testing. Now for Nvidia's 6800 chip? Uber issues running FarCry. The game that is "Mean't to Be Played" IQ issues in 3dmarks2003. IQ issues in Unreal2k4. IQ issues in FarCry. Not one issue on the R420 cards. Proof is in the pudding. The 6800Ultra performs great. Only problem for Nvidia is the X800PRO and the XT800 perform better...and only require basic power setups and take up only one slot.
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Profect
at 16:22 9/5/2004
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Actually my 9800 pro froze up alot till i turned off VPU Recover. Go figure.Runs like a charm now.
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Anonymous
at 15:30 9/5/2004
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I use to be a Nvidia fan, what a mistake, I had so many cards bomb on me, or just have really bad performance. And befor any of you 12 yrold fags say I dont know what I am doing, I am a IT pro. I just fill really bad for Nvidia fans, they have heart, it takes a lot of balls to stick with such a sitty product. (and company)
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Maximo
at 15:13 9/5/2004
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They can't even make a decent driver and now they made it official? lol.
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Anonymous
at 15:5 9/5/2004
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"Why don't you Try ATI before you flame em? then YOU'LL see what real gaming is!!"most of them did. that's why they prefer nvidia.
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Anonymous
at 10:57 9/5/2004
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Man [SA]V3rT0, you are a REAL dumbass
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Anonymous
at 10:55 9/5/2004
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[SA]V3rT0, You are a real dumbass aren't you. You are that guy below you, stop making up shit you dumb fagget.The reason why the card didnt work is A you area noob and dont know how to configure seeting in a bios. I dout you ever herd of a bios. B, your motherboard is shitty, so you HAD to downgrade to nvidia.
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Anonymous
at 8:17 9/5/2004
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Also the colors on the nvidia card look like shit
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Anonymous
at 8:13 9/5/2004
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I've used nvidia cards and they lockup in some games. My ATI card never locks up, in fact, it's as sweet as a nut.
Catalyst rock, forceware blow. i mean cmon FORCEware. forcin cheats and shit on the games
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[SA]V3rT0
at 2:50 9/5/2004
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I agree with the guy below me, I own cards from both companies so i will critisize them. It will have to be my 9600XT cause it doenst work well in Americas Army. Also its ATI built, they gave me nothing when i bought it. Just the Card, the Manual and the Instalation Software. Thats poor, no HL2 coupon or nothing.
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[SA]V3rT0
at 2:45 9/5/2004
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I own cards from both companies, I think i wont ever buy another ATI card again. When playing Americas Army my 9600XT sometimes causes my whole PC to lock up. This also happens to one of my clanmates too. Its very fast but i cant be having to restart my PC all the time because of that shit, keeps locking up when i get flashed (flashbang). I rather just stick with Nvidia, at least their card dont lock up your PC when your flashed and you in a TWL match.Its really annoying, those of you who own 9600XT's go play Americas Army, you'll see. Your whole PC locks up when you get flashed. Most of the time it does.
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Mr Flibble
at 2:41 9/5/2004
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Anon at 17:27Sure, i'll agree the ATI crds beat nVidia cards the the moment. In fact, i know they are thrashing them. But at those frame rates i don't really care, and the only reason i prefer nVidia is because of their drivers and shader support. Since i'm a gamer, a game coder and a 3d modeller, i prefer nVidia cards. If i was JUST a gamer, i would most probably prefer ATI. I don't hate ATI, i just prefer nVidia. P.S. I know i said i wouldn't come back but i did. But seriously people, go get a F*CKING LIFE. All you people who are "ATI is gay" or "nVisdia is gay" should try both versions before bitching about them.
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Anonymous
at 22:34 8/5/2004
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Omg, you Nvidia fanboys are such immature faggets!
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Anonymous
at 17:27 8/5/2004
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i don't understand nvidia fans, they see with their eyes that ati gets better image quality WITH better performance and they still talk crap about ati, well lol what does that make nvidia compared to it? less than crap? how low can we go to rate nvidia if ati is crap ? nvidia hit the bottom and started to dig ever since the fx series. what a shame they are and so are their fan that spread missinformation
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Anonymous
at 17:4 8/5/2004
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Why don't you Try ATI before you flame em? then YOU'LL see what real gaming is!!
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Anonymous
at 16:43 8/5/2004
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Atidiots are a bunch of idiotic kids. All they can do is whine and flame. It's sad really since the company they're backing up is a company that likes to cheat. Fair competition? Nooo, they had to cheat to beat Nvidia. It's amazing how bribery and cheap rumors can make a loser look as if they're winning.
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Anonymous
at 16:29 8/5/2004
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nerds and noobs use ati. real gamers use nvidia.
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^Ob-Shaky
at 14:3 8/5/2004
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AMD64 fx-53 3200
ATI X800XT (but watercooled)
Corsair XMS 466 - 2 gigs of those
Sound Blaster Audigy ZS^^my next gaiming rig^^ lets start to collect the pennies now...
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Anonymous
at 8:58 8/5/2004
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Anonymous at 2:53, do you know what your talking about or you just a dumbass.Nvidia pays developers to slap on best played on nvidia(something like that), but the benchmarks so that ATI ownz You Stupid ass Nvidia homos.
LETS DO A RECAP, AMD ownz Intel , and ATI ownz Nvidia.Sucks my balls then lick, you Nvidia faggets.
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Anonymous
at 8:27 8/5/2004
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nvidia drivers suck balls
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Nocturne
at 3:5 8/5/2004
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Good card, horrible driver & support.
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Anonymous
at 2:53 8/5/2004
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Anonymous at 20:25, do you know that for a fact or you just guessed? Nvidia had the worst driver over 2 years? Hmmm I've been using Nvidia for years and there were no problems with the drivers, unlike Ati drivers. Oh and about cheat, look who's talking. As if Ati didn't 'cheat' on the bench. For example, it's night and it's dark. You turned on your car's lights. Then it gets foggy, so you turned on your fog lamp. The brightest one so you can see the road clearly. Do you consider yourself cheating? Is that all Atidiots have to say? Nvidia cheated? lol. We all know how Ati works. Can't beat Nvidia, so they spread rumors and pay a few companies to back them up. Ati just got lucky. Beginner's luck.
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Anonymous
at 1:26 8/5/2004
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dam nvida got hammered again poor bastards ,i wonder how many generations they can do this for before they fold? i don't care were the card comes from aslong as its the fastest at the time i guess ati got my money this gen:)
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Anonymous
at 22:12 7/5/2004
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Why in the hell are there so many ads now on this site. I going to have a damn seziure.
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Anonymous
at 20:25 7/5/2004
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nvidia had the worst drivers over 2 years and i'm not talking about the cheat and down-optimisation they did with the drivers, which was the most shameful act ive seen.
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Mr Flibble
at 18:49 7/5/2004
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lol, anon can't spell. I'm not picky either way. ATI cards are faster atm, but nvidia has, and always has had better drivers. And they update them, like ever 30 secondsI'm a game coder, and although the new compression technique looks really cool and seems to work well, for the moment, its these new cards only. Who the f*ck is gonna produce a game designed for one videocard? I sure as hell wouldn't. I don't trust 3D Mark 03. Both nVidia and ATI started cheating and i just feel like it isn't a good games test. Thats my 2 cents. I probably won't come back here, so you can flame me all ya want ya sad f*cks
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!!! HAHA !!!
at 15:30 7/5/2004
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as soon as i see someone walk out with a shiny new ATI X800 i'm gonna beat the shit out of him and take it for my self!!!
be afraid be very afraid cuz you just might be jumped when you walk out of the store with you X800!
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cantsay
at 15:16 7/5/2004
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I am going to form, BSAHR ... Brothers and Sisters Against Highway Robbery. Anyone want a shirt?
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cantsay
at 15:8 7/5/2004
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$400 dollars is a good price? In fairy land or what? For those of us who have jobs and who need to pay bills, that card is not an option either. ATI and nvidia need to furthur slow down product cycles and start putting out products in quantity. It is you people who keep buying cards at an insane price who make these companies think they can get away with highway robbery. That is what it is.
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Anonymous
at 14:36 7/5/2004
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apparently u don't because ya can't afford one. get a job ya lazy f*ck!
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Bite me!
at 14:9 7/5/2004
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ATI makes X800 Official. The question is... Who gives a shit?
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Anonymous
at 14:4 7/5/2004
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for a retard he sure got a few good points there
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Raid
at 13:24 7/5/2004
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heh yeah must be for posting things like that
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Anonymous
at 13:1 7/5/2004
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relax raid, phil's semi-retarded.
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Raid
at 12:57 7/5/2004
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Hahaha Phil what kind of dumb jrky moron are youI wanna see some proof of what you are saying... give me some link that Nvidia is better in image quality and in all benchmarks... i think you are the little pissed one... pooor baby nvidia lost go cry to your mother
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Phil
at 12:44 7/5/2004
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The 6800Ultra is the fastest card out bar none. It totally smokes the 800xt in every benchmark. What the f**k are you guys smoking to say the 800xt is faster. Assholes. Image quality for the 6800 is also miles above any ATI card. Better aa anyday of the week. As for farcry. ATI cheated in the benchmark to get those inflated scores. Nvidia rocks on all accounts. The 6800extreme card will absolutely destroy the 800xt by miles the same way the 5950 destroys the 9800xt. ATI is such a crappy company. Nvidia has captured the crown again. Then again they had it all along. ATI just cheats in all benchmarks and games. Personally, i dont mind a larger card. Little piss ass ATI cards are shit
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Wife Beater
at 12:0 7/5/2004
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everybody, slap your mother on mother's day!!!
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Anonymous
at 11:45 7/5/2004
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Anonymous
at 13:12 6/5/2004
i'm gonna wait for someone to come out of compusa with a shiny new graphic card and cardjack that mofo!!! hee hee
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DeQuosaek
at 11:44 7/5/2004
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And not to mention 50 minutes to set up? Sheesh. I must be a real simp :)
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DeQuosaek
at 11:10 7/5/2004
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DeQuosaek
at 12:58 6/5/2004
Hey what do you know, I just got x800pro from a local store, spend 50 minutes to install and configure.
____________________________Nice try. Everyone knows I wouldn't waste the money buying it from a local store when you could get it much cheaper online! :) Plus I wouldn't buy it right away anyway. I can save another 100 bucks just by waiting a few months. And yes, PCI express probably won't be of much benefit right away, since there's plenty of bandwidth left in the 8xAGP. I think once they get fast enough to use the bandwidth that's currently available, then PCIx will start to make a difference. It might provide power without the need for a connector, but that power still comes from your power supply in the end.
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Anonymous
at 11:8 7/5/2004
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"After talking with quite a few top-level developers, all of whom are working on future titles, we’re not thoroughly convinced that SM3.0 will be a must-have feature anytime soon – certainly not of the remainder of 2004.""Sure there has been a lot of recent attention regarding Shader Model 3.0 and we had to ask ATI why they didn’t include it this time around. They told us that it was their focus to deliver a product that’d bring the zenith of performance to games coming out in the next 12-18 months bar none – to include unused features would’ve made the chip larger, consuming more heat and power. We’ve been told that ATI will definitely have a new GPU out by the time SM3.0 is a relevant issue."
-GAMERSDEPOT- Once again ATI has gone the smart route. And it has paid off again. And you can almost bet OEM'S are going to love the R420 cards over the NV40 because of it's size and little power use.....
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Anonymous
at 10:49 7/5/2004
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Posted by blahblah"Wow, over 230 useless posts. Good job everyone, we all get gold stars." Wow the most useless one of all you rule!!!!!!!
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Anonymous
at 10:48 7/5/2004
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715mzh thats faster than the NV40 will ever go despite water cooling. NV40's PS 3.0 doesn't mean shit.
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Raid
at 10:27 7/5/2004
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hehe
good try :P
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Anonymous
at 10:10 7/5/2004
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Dammit Raid, i just posted that grrr :P
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Anonymous
at 10:9 7/5/2004
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ATIs new record"ATI actually distributed a press-release about this, they must be proud :) On the System Builders' Summit in Barcelona a new world record score of 15,738 was set in Futuremark's 3DMark2003 graphics benchmark, easily breaking the previous score of 10,008, which was also set using ATI x800 XT. The record score of 15,738 in 3DMark2003 was set using the default screen resolution of 1024x768 pixels with 32-bit color depth. All applications were run on a system featuring an overclocked RADEON X800 XT Platinum Edition running at 715 MHz engine clocks and 639 MHz memory clocks, an overclocked Intel Pentium 4 Processor, 1 GB of DDR SDRAM." And everyone thought that they could only go as far as 600Mhz, tho probably it has been refrigerated, but hey if it hasnt, i can see a lot of more powerful cards popping up after the XT-PE
And nVidia say they have the answer with their 6800 EXTREME, ooooo scarey, and they are having trouble clocking their card higher than 500Mhz!
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Raid
at 10:6 7/5/2004
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stop using my nick moron (Raid
at 9:56 7/5/2004 ) Im the one and only Raid on board (i know you dont like my postings cause im all for ATI... too bad for you dumb f**k)
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Raid
at 10:3 7/5/2004
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"The record score of 15,738 in 3DMark2003 was set using the default screen resolution of 1024x768 pixels with 32-bit color depth, as required by Futuremark for eligibility in Futuremark’s Hall of Fame. A record score of 33,484 was also set in Futuremark’s popular 3DMark2001 benchmark at the same resolution."Wow... lol 33k in 3dmark2001... what a bomb
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blablabla
at 9:17 7/5/2004
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Wow, over 230 useless posts. Good job everyone, we all get gold stars.
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Anonymous
at 9:12 7/5/2004
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"What is next? $600? $700?"cantasy, the 6800Ultra Extreme with that ridiculus water block cooling setup will cost $699.99US the minimum. And if Nvidia and Gainward are lucky, that card for $200 more then ATI's flagship(not including the extra $100 you need to spend on a power supply upgrade to 480W) will be on par or just a little bit faster. Nope. Not for me. The real deal is the 800pro 12 pipeline wersion for $399.99 that runs the same speed as the 6800ultra in some tests and only loses out in others by small margins.
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Anonymous
at 9:3 7/5/2004
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god ruby is soo much hotter! she's got a great ass and a sexy face... mmmmmm go on ruby!
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Anonymous
at 6:0 7/5/2004
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My X800pro hasn't come yet
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Anonymous
at 5:58 7/5/2004
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Good plan, however TSMC doesn't need more money, with clients like ATI and Nvidia.
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Anonymous
at 5:55 7/5/2004
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Haha maybe they should, anyways I just got my X800pro from ATI's site. I'm currently playing Halo, this game looks so beautiful on this card. The water especailly, but not better than Farcry's water of course. I can't believe how awsome the IQ is. Video also looks great on this card, even the desktop look clear and sharp with more vibrant color. I'm playing halo on 1600x1200 85hz. Frame rate is smooth with no slow down, thanks ATI.
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cantsay
at 5:41 7/5/2004
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I think TSMC should use my cunning plan.
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cantsay
at 5:40 7/5/2004
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Just remember, they are both businesses. You can't trust them to tell you accurate innformation. These test are all done under controlled conditions anyway under direct supervision of nvidia and ATI. Whatever is what I have to say to these benchmarks. I have no 3.2 ghz equivalent cpu ... most people don't either. Too many variables. No one can know how they perform until they try both and see for themselves. However, I doubt anyone is crazy enough to spend almost a 1000 bucks to test anything.
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Anonymous
at 5:36 7/5/2004
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NEW WORLD SET IN 3DMARK BY ATIhttp://ati.com/companyinfo/press/2004/4752.html
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Anonymous
at 5:21 7/5/2004
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http://ati.com/companyinfo/press/2004/4752.html
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Anonymous
at 5:21 7/5/2004
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My friend new 3dmark 2003 bench, ATI has the new record in this application.http://ati.com/companyinfo/press/2004/4752.html
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New record
at 5:20 7/5/2004
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My friend new 3dmark 2003 bench, ATI has the new record in this application.http://ati.com/companyinfo/press/2004/4752.html
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cantsay
at 4:34 7/5/2004
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Also, I have come up with a cunning plan, heheh. I am going to play the devil's advocate ... actually his yes-man and say that TSMC and IBM should steal nvidia and ATI's processor designs. They can cut out the middle men and produce cards way more cheaply for the the general public. Then, when nvidia and ATI (both money grubbing by the way) go out of business ... the human capital can be gathered up from the two graphics companies and we will be left with TSMC on one hand and IBM on the other ... maybe even UMC can get in on the backstabbing. Let the backstabbing begin. ATI, nvidia are way too comfortable sitting there at the top of the add in graphics card markets. Anyway, that is my cunning plan. Or really just an evil dream.
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cantsay
at 4:30 7/5/2004
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Also, I hope that Open GL becomes a fully mature and accepted API becuase if directX comes out as the only API for games in the future ... it is over.
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cantsay
at 4:26 7/5/2004
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Also, I think both companies are doing a disservice to consumers (us), moving from one generation of cards into another generation too fast. Apparently Nvidia and ATI don't follow the economies of scale rule. Consumers would be served best if these companies actually brought out these products in quantity. I am not talking about a ticky tack 10,000 pieces. The larger the quantity of hardware in the market, the lower the price for consumers. However, these companies are happy to move on to a new product cycle before even having a decent quantity of "old" generation cards in the market. This why these cards are skyrocketing in price. 499 big ones for an ATI x800XT? You know, that part will still be hovering around 400 dollars even after a year. Why? The new product cycle will start (new product cycle every year) and before even all the features of these "new" cards are explored, we will be on to a nice expensive low quantity of "next gen" cards that will probably cost even more. What is next? $600? $700?
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cantsay
at 4:4 7/5/2004
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Well, you can call out the fat lady but she won't sing. By the time she does sing, she might be skinny. Point being, by the time the cards are actually proven, too many people will already have bought one card or the other and one side will be dissapointed. Also I am very glad this form is not moderated. One of the very few forums where guests (like me) can post their thoughts for everyone to see without registering for stuff we don't want or need.
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jug
at 1:57 7/5/2004
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no AA and AF is cpu bound, so running high aa, res, shows in the future when games put more strain on cards, then ATI will beat nVidia in no aa and af. Also i think 3DC is THE feature to have on your card, it's getting a lot of support and it's very useful.ps. people who whine about ATI's opengl performance: ATI is rewriting their OpenGL driver from scratch.
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Sawyer
at 23:14 6/5/2004
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First off-this board really does need to be moderated. Also if Nvidia will take advantage of Doom ]I[, and this is the motivation for buying the 6800, then you might as well built a special Doom 3 case, monitor with Doom 3 imprinted on the sides, keyboard and special Doom 3 mouse, and a swamp cooler to sit on as you wheel yourself down the Doom III Machine to extinctville. ATI won. Seriously its over, period. Call out the fat lady.
P. Catylst dr.x800 release n10-309sect.
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Raid
at 22:45 6/5/2004
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To "bitch chokin hand"
lol you are a real jerk... Quote "i'm gonna get my friend wayne brady to choke your dumbass neck"
hooo im scared O_o Quote "only a dumbass like you would purchase something with an overinflated price like that"
hehe... Go read that sucker "Raid
at 12:17 6/5/2004" heh PS: this comment board is out of Control
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Anonymous
at 21:25 6/5/2004
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thats lovely. anyway as long as ati doesn't need the extra power, there the one for me.
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[SA]V3rT0
at 20:38 6/5/2004
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Nvidia speed will be taken advantage in games like Doom 3. BTW is Doom 3 getting an engine upgrade or something?
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Anonymous
at 19:10 6/5/2004
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upcoming DirectX 9.0c.
f**king wen?
i am going to wait and see
if nvidia still slower in dx0.0c i am going to buy ati
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[SA]V3rT0
at 18:44 6/5/2004
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I think Nalu is pretty nice.
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[SA]V3rT0
at 18:42 6/5/2004
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I dont think you should compare them because Nvidia's Dawn isnt new. Nvidia has newer characters if you didnt notice. Actually i like Nvidia's New Mermaid named Nalu.
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Anonymous
at 18:40 6/5/2004
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Ruby 4 sure!! I wish her lip were wrapped around my...
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Anonymous
at 18:37 6/5/2004
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who's hotter ati's ruby or nvidia's dawn?
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Firefly
at 18:23 6/5/2004
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ha ha DeQuosaek. Ok, so we have 1 person with a kickass monitor... I think you're on your own though dude....
Unfortunatly I'd have to sell my right kidney to buy one of these cards... so I don't have the luxuary of selling the left one to buy a monitor :)I have to say kudos to you though, a kickass monitor is an awesome investment... they last 4 or 5 times longer than any other pc part.
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Anonymous
at 18:9 6/5/2004
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i'm thinking of selling my little brother on the black market so i can buy me an ati x800xt\pe. anybody interested?
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Anonymous
at 17:54 6/5/2004
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Maybe your computer is shit I bought a 9600XT when it first came out, and I have had no problems since. My buddy is having major problems with his Nvidia 5700ultra.
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Anonymous
at 17:49 6/5/2004
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"but it is apparent that nVidia's NV40 still has some catching up to do!"Pc stats
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Anonymous
at 17:47 6/5/2004
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http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=1578&page=8Nvidia fagget fanboys, look at the benchmarks on this page, it shows that in that ATI beats, by a good amount in higher res. And in the lowest res they had Nvidia beat ati, so the 4 poster below me is corect.
And read the last sentence at the bottom of that page, then you can leave a dumbass remark like the 3 poster below me, cause u bitches got noting else to say! O YEAH, AND in all AA&AF test ATI OWNS NVIDIA
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Anonymous
at 17:46 6/5/2004
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4x AA, 8x AF - 1024x768 FPS Ranking
ATi Radeon 9800 XT 35.3 ATi Radeon X800 XT
79.6
nVidia GeForce FX 5950 Ultra 30.1
nVidia GeForce 6800 Ultra 68.7
4x AA, 8x AF - 1280x1024 FPS Ranking ATi Radeon 9800 XT
24 ATi Radeon X800 XT
56.7
nVidia GeForce FX 5950 Ultra 20.2
nVidia GeForce 6800 Ultra 50.2
4x AA, 8x AF - 1600x1200 FPS Ranking ATi Radeon 9800 XT
17.3 ATi Radeon X800 XT
39.6
nVidia GeForce FX 5950 Ultra 15
nVidia GeForce 6800 Ultra 38.3
Nvidia fanboys can suck my Large inprinted ATI balls
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Anonymous
at 17:45 6/5/2004
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http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=1578&page=8And also beats Nvidia in all AA&AF
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Anonymous
at 17:43 6/5/2004
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http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=1578&page=8Nvidia fagget fanboys, look at the benchmarks on this page, it shows that in that ATI beats, by a good amount in higher res. And in the lowest res they had Nvidia beat ati, so the 4 poster below me is corect.
And read the last sentence at the bottom of that page, then you can leave a dumbass remark like the 3 poster below me, cause u bitches got noting else to say!
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loser
at 17:36 6/5/2004
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it's not our problem your a newbie!
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[SA]V3rT0
at 16:41 6/5/2004
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ATI either have dirver problems or their 9600XT doent work properly. I have one and it locks up my PC sometimes, when i'm playing Americas Army. Actually when i get flashed with a flash bang, my PC' freezes. This never happened before with my Geforce 4
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Anonymous
at 16:5 6/5/2004
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If you want to play the games in lower standard quality, then go with Nvidia, But if you want to run Higher quailty(AA ,AF ,RES etc) Then go with ATI.SO if you want the fps, and dont want the eye candy, Nvidia is the way you go, If you want lower fps but the games have on all the eye candy, hello ATI. Nvidia loses another round.. After all the work they put into that card, well ATI made some "tweaks". AINT THAT A BITCH
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Anonymous
at 15:43 6/5/2004
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For regular gaming Nvidia is a good choice, for hardcore extreme HD gaming the Radeons rule. ATI's technology is best for AA and AF. Their 6X AA and AF is truely amazing.
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Anonymous
at 15:41 6/5/2004
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Yeah the true ATI has claimed in a month or so they are going to release a new standard of drivers that will be revolutionary. They go on to claim that they are wondering how long it will take for competitors to copy them
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Anonymous
at 15:39 6/5/2004
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Also didnt u say u cant trust the benchmarks?
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Anonymous
at 15:39 6/5/2004
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And?I thought u would want to switch on those features
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Anonymous
at 15:37 6/5/2004
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Dumb ass the NV40 performs better in Halo because there is no AA and AF settings.
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Anonymous
at 15:36 6/5/2004
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Actually you are wrong the Athlon64 is better in gaming so check the benchmarks.
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Anonymous
at 15:32 6/5/2004
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Also if u see any reviews on the A64 3400 and th P4 3.2, they are about the same performances, they equal each other, go look and do some research, some ppl do somethin like that before they buy something so they know they are getting the right things for their money...
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Anonymous
at 15:30 6/5/2004
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X800XT-PE wins overall in those reviewsU telling me ull buy a card because it performs better in Halo Riiight, logical view of buying cards...
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Anonymous
at 15:27 6/5/2004
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talking about HALO performance !!!!!!
and other games
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=2044&p=12
here ati wins !http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/20040504/ati-x800-29.html
where nvidia wins ! Fu Ck in WHY?
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Anonymous
at 15:25 6/5/2004
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ummm??
i was talking about HALO performance
(and other games too)becouse its to much diference between the FPS, and the procesor en anadthech is an A64 3400, vs toms is a p4 3.2 fuking why??
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Anonymous
at 15:13 6/5/2004
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Anonymous at 14:52, if u actually read Toms Hardware properly, hey read the conclusion if u cant be bothered to read the rest it says and i quote
"Until then, the new performance leader is ATi's Radeon X800 XT Platinum Edition"
Umm dont, so nVidia is the winner right....Here are some more quotes
"Thanks to its performance advantage when using anisotropic filtering, the Radeon X800 XT Platinum Edition shows its rivals who's boss in this discipline without noticeably sacrificing image quality. Even the much less expensive X800 Pro with its 12 pipes can beat the GeForce 6800 Ultra in some game tests. The price difference of about $100 will certainly be an argument that could win over a number of undecided buyers." "In our opinion, the most impressive thing about this card is how little effort ATi needed to reach the performance we saw here. The power consumption of the X800 XT is about the same as that of its predecessors in 3D applications. Additionally, the cards require only one auxiliary power connector and don't need an especially potent power supply like the GeForce 6800 Ultra does. Even the cooler has shrunk a bit, reducing the card's overall weight and ensuring that it would fit even into a mini-ITX case." "Nonetheless the R420 only seems to be a temporary solution. Already, the R480 is rearing its head in the roadmaps, and there's a good possibility that ATi may just introduce the R5xx series instead." "Even if only the slightly slower non-Platinum XT versions actually make it to the market in high numbers, these should still be able to keep the GeForce 6800 Ultra in check." Well what a read, i think u can see who really wins...
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Anonymous
at 15:6 6/5/2004
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and remember guys, they are bringing out an Extreme version for the 6800U so ur gonna have to pay even more money, have it take up 2 slots, burn through ur case, east ur power bill and then still give u stlightly faster performances and crappy quality still and they are bringing out a water cooled version, why to take up more space and to get rid of the excessive heat, so ur gonna pay even more money for something that loses and equals to something that needs a smaller heatsink and fan than the older generation of graphics cards and ull have to take time maintaining it and it will still take up a massive amount of powerWait a second, whatever nVidia is doing, is actually making the x800xt-pe and the x800pro look better everytime, unless nVidia find a way to cut their card down to 1 slot, take away the excessive heat, make it use less power and give it better performance, ATI wins because it can use old technology, which is tried and tested to win, and still beat new technologies nVidia 220 transistors, ATI 160, no ps3.0 or any of the other fancy features and still beats nVidia Also nVidia brought out their line of compression stuff, no one used it because it was even worse than the standards at the moment, and u can see th 3Dc is way better as it can cut the compression in half saving space (performace) or making space to fill (quality) i think some game developers should be rethinking their market strategy and who they partner up with....
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Anonymous
at 14:58 6/5/2004
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damm
when is the 200 dollar card coming out ?
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Anonymous
at 14:54 6/5/2004
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right now there is no x800se. it will be a 12 pipe x800. 6800 GT is the non Ultra version, and it costs and performs pretty much the same as x800 pro ($399) soon RV460 will be out and have probably 8 pipes and cost $200 and be as fast as x800se. but for now, only x800 pro is on the market, for $399. 6800s both GT and Ultra won't be out until mid to late summer.just get a 9800 pro, for now.
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Anonymous
at 14:52 6/5/2004
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WE Cannot trust the benchmarks or what !!!!!!!! WE Cannot trust the benchmarks or what !!!!!!!! WE Cannot trust the benchmarks or what !!!!!!!! WE Cannot trust the benchmarks or what !!!!!!!! WE Cannot trust the benchmarks or what !!!!!!!! http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=2044&p=12 here ati wins ! http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/20040504/ati-x800-29.html where nvidia wins !
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Anonymous
at 14:41 6/5/2004
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thers no way im going to waiste $490 or 399 dollar for a damm video card i am going to buy the cheapest,i am going to buy a 250 dollar card
mm wich one will be better? the x800se or the 6800Non-ultra ???
?????
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Anonomosusus
at 14:22 6/5/2004
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When ATI comes out with the next release of its drivers, I'm betting the fps will drastically improve.
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Anonymous
at 13:48 6/5/2004
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OMG! Hahahaha
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Raid
at 13:45 6/5/2004
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that wasnt DeQuosaek
its a NV fanboy who use DeQuosaek name thats all
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Anonymous
at 13:41 6/5/2004
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i'm gonna wait for someone to come out of compusa with a shiny new graphic card and cardjack that mofo!!!
___________________________________
That's the BEST thing I ever heard!
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Anonymous
at 13:39 6/5/2004
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hahaha jokes!!
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Anonymous
at 13:21 6/5/2004
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Anonymous
at 13:12 6/5/2004
i'm gonna wait for someone to come out of compusa with a shiny new graphic card and cardjack that mofo!!! LOL
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Raid
at 13:17 6/5/2004
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this is a test
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Anonymous
at 13:12 6/5/2004
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i'm gonna wait for someone to come out of compusa with a shiny new graphic card and cardjack that mofo!!!
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Anonymous
at 13:6 6/5/2004
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i'm a nvidia fanboy and would love to suck your weiner Frank!
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Raid
at 13:5 6/5/2004
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i guess you all guessed that the last Raid and DeQuosaek Comment where made by a depress and desperate NVIDIA Fanbah too bad for you anyway people knows im all for ATI better luck next time ;)
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Raid
at 12:59 6/5/2004
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Me too, i hate X800pro, i wish I had 6800U
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AndNomOlys
at 12:58 6/5/2004
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Ok, I use a Greforce 2 GTS and a P III 600 while I wait to get a bargain on a 700: so I can care less which card is better, but I do like to keep an eye out for tech news. What I have read on Tomshardware, no matter what benchmarks say, is that I can't help but keep in mind the fact that one needs huge wattage and the other, simply, doesn't!
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DeQuosaek
at 12:58 6/5/2004
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Hey what do you know, I just got x800pro from a local store, spend 50 minutes to install and configure. Another 40 minutes to uninstall the driver and install another. At the end, its not like what I have expected. Its slow, blurry, blocky. I wish I bought playstation 1 instead. Its not that much different.
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Raid
at 12:54 6/5/2004
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Anonymous
at 12:49 6/5/2004
3 most important things in life: women, beer and kickass videocard! Now that a comment i like
Woot Woot
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Anonymous
at 12:49 6/5/2004
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the big thing about pci express is it provides MORE POWER to the cards so no more extra plugs should ever be needed. It is also faster then agp 8x, but i mean the x800xt works just as fast on 4x so its not like speed with agp 8x is a problem for another couple years
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Anonymous
at 12:49 6/5/2004
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3 most important things in life: women, beer and kickass videocard!
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Anonymous
at 12:45 6/5/2004
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I just want to ask all of you what is the big deal over PCIx. I mean currently 8x agp is pretty fast both Nvidia and ATI has double their hardware performance over last generation stuff on 8x agp platform.
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Anonymous
at 12:45 6/5/2004
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i can't wait to get my hands on a X800xt\pe, and overclock that bitch!!!!WooHoo!!!
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Anonymous
at 12:42 6/5/2004
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Anyways PCIx motherboards won't be supporting AthlonXP processor.
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Anonymous
at 12:38 6/5/2004
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i won't wait for PCI cards cuz i would need a new mother board and that really bugs me to get.... but go on ATI!
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Anonymous
at 12:36 6/5/2004
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Here's the deal with PCI Express: It is a new interface that allows AGP 16x equivalent throughput. This allows for more bandwidth when it's needed. As it stands, with GPU/VPU technology looking the way it does right now, we are hard pressed to max out AGP 8x bandwidth. The added bandwidth does not automatically equally an imediate gain in performance, just like doubling the on board memory of a card, from 128MB ti 256MB shows very little improvement in performance, and won't until texture maps require more address space in memory than they do now. In other words, AGP 8x has not yet become a bottlekneck, as video cards are not yet fast enough to push that kind of throughput. It'll be a great thing for the future, when games and hardware require the massive bandwidth that the interface will afford, but as it stands, having a PCI Express X800XT is like having an 8x AGP GeForce 4 MX 440. It's just not necessary.
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Anonymous
at 12:35 6/5/2004
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Here's the deal with PCI Express: It is a new interface that allows AGP 16x equivalent throughput. This allows for more bandwidth when it's needed. As it stands, with GPU/VPU technology looking the way it does right now, we are hard pressed to max out AGP 8x bandwidth. The added bandwidth does not automatically equally an imediate gain in performance, just like doubling the on board memory of a card, from 128MB ti 256MB shows very little improvement in performance, and won't until texture maps require more address space in memory than they do now. In other words, AGP 8x has not yet become a bottlekneck, as video cards are not yet fast enough to push that kind of throughput. It'll be a great thing for the future, when games and hardware require the massive bandwidth that the interface will afford, but as it stands, having a PCI Express X800XT is like having an 8x AGP GeForce 4 MX 440. It's just not necessary.
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Raid
at 12:33 6/5/2004
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Anonymous
at 12:28 6/5/2004 im 100% with you
and dont forget electricity bill for running game on a Nvidia Ultra
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Anonymous
at 12:28 6/5/2004
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OK guys, nvidia and ati are pretty much fighting to llead in performance.... my frist graphics card was from NVIDIA, and the I got myself the ATi's... because they just beat Nvidia, not in the sense in big performances(-because they are pretty close, but ATI is always somehow a step higher-) but in the overall driver stabillities, ATI is commited to have at least 1 driver update per month, I remember waiting for a driver update from Nvidia for months... And recently Nvidia is getting better in driver updates, which is great.... BUT HELL their new 6800 model cards are just ridiculous, don't get me wrong performance is great, BUT WHATS UP WITH THE MINIMUM POWERSUPPLY OF 480 or 485 WATTS... sure you can buy 500 watts supplys from compusa for 60-80 bucks, but it will just cause instabilities with the Voltages CAUSE THEIR CHEAP MADE, and for a good one you would have to spend like 150 in average - so in order form me to upgrade my system to a 6800 from nvidia, i would have to spend 500 for the card and another 100-150 for a new powersupply... AND THIS IS WHERE ATI RULES AGAIN, THEIR NEW GRAPHICS CARDS WORK WITH A MINIMUM OF 300 watts AND EQUAL OR MOST LIKELY OUTPERFORM THE NEW 6800 line of nvidia cards... and the upgrade will only cost me just the video card, and not an additionall power supply...for nvidia really to regain the crown performance, needs to do somethin what ati does, which IS, BEING BETTER
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Anonymous
at 12:27 6/5/2004
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why wait for PCI express? these days technology is constantly changing..enjoy life on the go, rather than wait for whats to come. treat yourself to a new graphic card!
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Raid
at 12:27 6/5/2004
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Belini
with 1 US dollar you have 1.30$ CAN
so with 1 CAN dollar you get 70cents US
;)
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Raid
at 12:24 6/5/2004
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Bitch Chokin (like the nick lol)i think you are the stupid MOFO here no competition = Do what you want with your customers come on its not so hard to understand if im the only one selling video cards... i decide to sell them 700$... if you dont wanna pay well too bad for you there is no one you can turn too... if i choose to cut on speed and stuff what will you do... too bad you have no one to turn too... so youll have to undergo with there choice with competition, one always try to beat the other to get the costumer... thats meen giving better prices then the competitor, and trying to make better product too you are the dumb ass for not understanding this shit Peace f**ker :P
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belini
at 12:23 6/5/2004
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Raid
hmmm maby you are right... How mutch is a canadian dollar worth anyway?
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Raid
at 12:17 6/5/2004
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Belini
the best thing is to not buy last product range unless you like paying way to much only for the "NEW" tag on the card
ill stick with my 9600 untill the next range of card come out (then ill buy a X800-Pro for something like 230$ CANADIAN)
No way im paying 400$ US for a Video Card... come onAnd for the PCI-Xpress... again if you buy your board when it comes out... youll pay $$$$$ cause its new but if you wait, the prices will fall and PCI-Express wont Really Beat AGP 8X for at least another year or 1 years 1/2... so why pay big money on something like that this is how i see it (only an example... price are not accurate but it will look like this) X800 PRO PCI-Xpress 399$ US (on realease day)
PCI-Xpress Board 250$ US (on realease day) X800 PRO PCI-Xpress 250$ CAN (in about 6-8 months when lets say X850-Pro comes out)
PCI-Xpress Board 120$ CAN (in about 6-8 months when its not new anymore) so if i wait 8 month i think ill pay something like 370$ Canadian for the kit instead of 650$ US just cause its NEW NEW.... Its a bit dumb to buy hardware when its Brand new technology But thats just me... if i was rich yeah ok i would choose the X800-XT on PCI Express with 2 Gig RAM og CORSAIR memory on a P4 3.4 with 2Meg of Cache but hey... im not that rich (well not yet)
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bitch chokin hand
at 12:17 6/5/2004
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I doubt no competition would magically raise the price so much. Paying 3X more for a video card, you're a stupid mofo.I personally welcome our graphic card overlord ati.
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Anonymous
at 12:0 6/5/2004
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must agree with both Tweety and DeQuosaek, yes Nvidia gives alot of shit to its costumers, but never the less, i think most used nvidias cards few years ago.
I'm not so dissapointed with 6800, except the power supply story. I really like its features, gives a chance for one to have this card for longer and it has caught up in image quality aswell.
ATI has deffenetly outdone them again and done a good work, but fanboys can really f**k off, from both sides... people say they should unite to do some kickass shit, its called monopolism, u'd be paying 3x more and progress would be 3x slower, lets not forget it brings progress and to homeusers faster cards.PCI express, very nifty, but i wouldnt switch my system for it unless its atleast 50% faster, its new, will have little support @ the beginning, have no clue how appz will run... If it comes this summer, id only switch in a year or 2, faster cards, more stability. anyway, war's over, nothing left to cry about
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Truth be told
at 10:16 6/5/2004
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Nvidia is good and so is ati, may they both live and die in peace. x800xt is actually better than nvidia's 6800ultra. Don't complain it's just that way, who cares who makes the card, as long as it's good.
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DeQuosaek
at 10:4 6/5/2004
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45 minutes left... bid now. :)http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41807&item=4128109166&rd=1
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DeQuosaek
at 10:0 6/5/2004
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Tweety
at 9:56 6/5/2004
Why are all you guys putting NVidia down so much?
_________________________________Because they are not putting out quality cards and they have been letting their customers down for quite some time now. Not to mention all the cheats and dishonesty.
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DeQuosaek
at 9:58 6/5/2004
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To firefly:*DeQ raises hand* I spent less on my monitor than I did on my video card and it does 1600 x 1200 at 85Hz and it's a nice 21". Sure it's huge and weighs about 80 pounds, but it kicks ass for games. Check EBay. If you don't mind paying more than 60 bucks for shipping, you can find awesome deals on 21"ers. Here's one that's not so bad.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41807&item=4129492729&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
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belini
at 9:57 6/5/2004
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Well this new card looks promesing. But is i not smarter to wait for the new pci express cards that comes this summer? they will be alot faster and use dx 10 support witch you can see some of todays nvidia card still use dx 8 support and therefore losing alot of preformance. so i belive the PCI Express cards will last alot longer than todays agp crards. But then again you have to buy a new main board and maby be forced to shit out more cash. But it may be the best choice because AGP will be out be out run by PCI express with almost dubble the transfer rate. So my recomendation i to wait. Itsnt it better than buying two new cards for 500$ than one? :) I may be totaly whrong but maby you should not go rushing to the stores buying the newest shiny toy.... PS, USA sucks in hockey! SWEDEN FOR EVER! :)
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Tweety
at 9:56 6/5/2004
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Why are all you guys putting NVidia down so much? I bet half of you had NVidia cards when they were the best, and will probably buy one again WHEN they have the best card again... it's just dumb being a fanboy.
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Anonymous
at 9:31 6/5/2004
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Once again AA and AF are superior on the Radeon cards. ATI has perfected that art.
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Anonymous
at 7:50 6/5/2004
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bunch of assholes! the 6800 Ultra kicks XT ass sometimes if NO AA and AF is on but as soon as you put 4*Aa and 8*AF, we with our X800 XT PE win without barely any drop in FPS while the 6800 ultra drops like shit! So people, what do you want? High FPS with no AA and AF or high FPS with AA and AF? Use ur fuking brain...
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Tagge
at 5:22 6/5/2004
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Well,It's nice to see that a lot of people are for once just not BLINDLY following the NVidia brand into the future. I've been using ATI cards for a while now and I did have several gripes with them, until the release of the 9700 (Al-al the 'giant killer'). They've really got themselves on track in the last short while. Their drivers are getting to the point where they're just as good as Nvidia'a sn their hardware is superior. nVidia has been using smoke and mirrors (drivers) to juice the performance of their cards for a while now. Paying off developers to gear games towards their hardware and that doesn't even work all the time. Now, their back to the problem they had a while back, huge, expensive, noisy, resource hogging, monster cards. Why pay $599.99, when I can get a better product for less? Why has ATI Been soo successful though? Because unlike nVidia whom just eats a lot of their profits and moves on. ATI has been turning around and pumping a massive amount of their profits into R&D. And, it worked. If nVidia would stop being greedy, they wouldn't be in this mess. But, I see another 3D Labs, in their future if they don't stop the money grab. Peace,
-T
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DM
at 5:6 6/5/2004
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Good point firefly about not really needing FSAA when runing 1600x1200, the thing is that when you buy a high end card, part of the ££ you spend goes towards the FSAA hardware, so you may as well use it coz its there (so long at the FPS stays steady) I always found running in 1280x1024 at 60Hz with FSAA looked fantastic, but never really saw a lot of difference with IQ when using Anisotropic Filtering (apart from a horrible FPS drop)
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Anonymous
at 4:52 6/5/2004
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its funny really. Nvidias 6800 held the crown of speed for a week or too.
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Anonymous
at 4:46 6/5/2004
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If nvidia brings price down they will suffer major money loss. their fridgerator has alot of nifty tools and frankly, its like 2x the size of raddy. poor vidia
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Firefly
at 4:36 6/5/2004
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Anyways, it looks like the X800 is the better card overall. The PRO even rivels the 6800U in most game benchmarks. Personally i think it all comes down to price. If nVidia are able to bring their production costs down... people will go nVidia, if ATI bring theirs down, people go ATI. If they maintain similar prices, people will go for the fastest card. Simple stuff.
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Firefly
at 4:27 6/5/2004
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What's the deal with these 1600x1200 resolutions? Anyone with a monitor that actually displays 1600x1200 at a decent refresh rate (85Hz+) please put your hand up.... One more... can you even tell that AA is switched on when you're looking at a screen with a 1600x1200 resolution???
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Sir_Baron
at 3:39 6/5/2004
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http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjExLDE=the x800 xt runs all games at 1600x1200 and high aa and af, and gets the same fps when 6800 runs at 1024x768 or 1280x1024... man nvidia sucks ass.
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Anonymous
at 1:53 6/5/2004
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yes I ment flamers. f is right by g. so sue me cumtard!
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Anonymous
at 1:45 6/5/2004
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everyone else that said far cry is faster on geforce are just idiots. not everyone said that though. just calm down. oh and also, you shouldn't write just to flame someone. try to contribute.i will buy radeon x800xt pe when it comes out cos it's worth the extra money for that kind of dx9 fps. it's really fast and looks cool too! plus i don't wanna upgrade my ps either. 400w should be enough for a long time to come. nvidia is screwing things up with wanting a better ps for there card.
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Anonymous
at 1:38 6/5/2004
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Mason said Far Cry runs faster on Radeon X800 dummass!!! he even put anandtech as his source!
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Anonymous
at 1:33 6/5/2004
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FARCRY RUN FASTER IN THE 6800 ULTRA ?NEVER STUPID NVDIOTS!!!!!!!!!http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjExLDg=
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Anonymous
at 1:28 6/5/2004
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EAT THIS STUPID NVDIOTS TELLING US FARCRY RUN FASTER IN NVDIA!!!!!!!!!!!!http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=2044&p=11
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Ryan Seacrest
at 0:45 6/5/2004
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Seacrest OUT.
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DeQuosaek
at 0:44 6/5/2004
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It's just too bad MicroSoft never had any worthy competitors. Maybe they aren't the shining pinnacle of a great company, but who tried to compete with them even? Did they crush all the "little guys" or was there just not to many good software companies able to put out a decent OS?
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Anonymous
at 0:41 6/5/2004
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Yeah, think of how things would have been if NVIDIA were able to produce a REALY good card, instead of GeForce FX 5900. The 9800XT, a simply overclocked 9800 Pro, might not have been. Instead ATi would have to have delivered something much better because ther was competition. All the 9800XT had to be faster than was the 9800 Pro.Let's go back even further. What if FX 5800 would have looked more like X800XT compared to GF 6800, when compared to the 9700 Pro. 9800 would have had to have been that much more badass, and we'll see just this from NVIDIA. The next cycle will have to be something special. For both companies. They will also be more inclined to release drivers that actually boost the performance of their cards, cause, as was said, every frame rate counts in this race. We should all be happy to benifit nicely from the fact that the race is this close.
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DeQuosaek
at 0:31 6/5/2004
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Go check out Ruby's headquarters...
http://ati.com/ruby/index.html
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aSavyConsumer
at 0:30 6/5/2004
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even is a good thing ass. it keeps competition high, and encourages inovation. It also keeps prices on the cheap (relatively speaking) because any edge, including price, helps. This is the way it should be, with neither card gaining a huge, giant lead consistantly. Competion is good for us consumers. Anytime it's a one horse race you end up with another Microsoft. And one of those is one too many.
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DeQuosaek
at 0:17 6/5/2004
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Oh, just for the few people that the dude posting under my name fooled, that wasn't me. I can generally spell things right, and I'm not too blind to see that the X800's win out over nVidia most of the time. :)
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Nvidiot
at 0:11 6/5/2004
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I don't here those fcucking Nvidiot's crowing at how much faster their card is now, because once again they got RAPED by ATI. And all those people trying to say it's 'even' get some glasses and go read the benchmarks.
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DeQuosaek
at 0:7 6/5/2004
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Wow, did I black out and suddenly become an illiterate ass? Oh wait, those are the nVidia fanboy posts. That figures. :)There can be only one. That goes for both graphics card champions and me. (although I am glad for the competition)
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Anonymous
at 23:8 5/5/2004
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here's an anandtech link that tells about what the video encoder/decodr can do http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=2023&p=7 pretty cool, but i guess not that important
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Mason
at 23:4 5/5/2004
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Hey (yet again) folks. What theon board video encoder/decoder means for internet user is that you have programable decoding of video codecs. In othe words, video codecs are included as on chip istrunctions. This means you will be able to stream video that uses DiVX, MPEG 2, MPEG 4, WMV9 and I'm sure plenty of other codecs (how many of those blasted things are there any way?) without having to worry about wether or not it is a CODEC you already have or not, because you do: on your video card. This may be of little importance to as many users as it IS important to. Just one more thing to consider when making your decision. On a side note: You wanna here my decision? I'm gettin' me an X800 Pro. Not waitin' for the XT PE, and can't afford the extra $100 anyway. Well, as always, that's my two cents. And at a bargain price too! Enjoy!
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Mason
at 22:49 5/5/2004
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Hey folks. Just re-read that AnandTech.com link about normal maps and 3Dc, and realized, it may be hard to interpolate from what was said in that article, just what 3Dc does.The short and descriptive form, without all the math and tech jargin is: 3Dc is a scheme for compressing normal maps without discontinuity. Normal maps, unlike actual polygons, are compressable, which makes them very attractive when bandwidth is concerned. Under normal compression, we may see discontinuities in the way the lighting reacts to the normal map. Flashing, flickering, or missing shadows or highlights occur because pieces of the normal map are either corrupted or completely lossed in compression. 3Dc is a form of compression that brings a normal map down from being 512 bits wide to 128 bits wide without damaging the effect. In short, it's simply a much better looking, and more effecient way to compress the large amounts of lighting data used when normal mapping. Enjoy!
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Anonymous
at 22:42 5/5/2004
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If your jsut watching a video off the net does it realy matter if your CPU is in a little more use?The feature wont gain you framerates and will be useless because it will warm up the 6800 when it doesnt need to!
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Mason
at 22:31 5/5/2004
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Hey folks. Anonymous below: As far as I know, the video encoding is taken care of by a seperate set of instructions, presumably on a different chip. I, too could be wrong however. Either way, these extra instructions mean more transistors, which means more switches that go on and off each clock, which means more heat and power consumption. However, it has already been mentioned that you will need to ugrade your power supply, so the side effects of the extra video functionallity are already taken into consideration there, so that points kinda moot. Also, NVIDIA's video funcionality extends beyond normal encoding, as it includes on chip video codec instruction. This gives you a kind of stream anywhere functionallity. In the end, it's just a seperate feature that is just awesome if you intend to use it. If not, than it should not weigh too heavily on your decision about which card to buy.In other words, if content creation is important, and you watch a lot of videos from the internet, where having the right codec is a concern, than the added functionallity afforded by the GeForce 6800 is a definate plus. If those things are not important, than ATi definately offers a slightly better sollution for pure DX9.0 gaming.
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Mason
at 22:19 5/5/2004
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Hey folks. Just re-read the thread. Someone asked about normal maps right? Sounds like a good topic to hit on. It also brings up a feature of ATi's chips; 3Dc. What a normal map does is allow a texture to change lighting the way geometry (a polygon) does. In other words, highlights and shadows occur on the surface of an object, the way they would if there was a bit of geometry there.The way this is accomplished is to build the full, high polygon count object first. Than the object's geometry is saved as a "normal map". A lower polygon count object is than generated, and the saved normal map is applied over it to give the illusion of geometry that isn't there, making the object look far more detailed and complex than it really is. The lighting and shadowing changes effected by the normal map are made in real time by pixle shaders. Here is a link to AnandTech.com that shows a practical application of a normal map: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=2044&p=6 Pretty cool. It also describes in full detail what 3Dc is, and how it may affect gamings future. (Here's a hint; minimally. It is cool though. And normal maps will see more and more use going forward, especially as shader technology progresses.) Enjoy
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Anonymous
at 21:59 5/5/2004
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Mason i think ur wrong there, if u read the Toms Hardware site review, they say that the video encoding and decoding are all done by the pixel pipelines not a seperate chip on the board, thats probably how there is less heat and its smaller, and the X800 (both cards) take more load off the CPU for this also which makes everything run faster while the 6800U is a bit more lazy, heres the webpage, i dont know if im talking about something totally different but i think im talking about the right thinghttp://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/20040504/ati-x800-10.html
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Raid
at 21:51 5/5/2004
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DeQuosaek... sorry but with AA On... ATI is just better then NVIDIAcrank monitor resolution (1600*1200)with AA turned On... and NVIDIA take a big drop
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Anonymous
at 21:51 5/5/2004
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Deqousaek, from the reviews the x800xt had better image quality in all games as the resolution and aa and af got higher, and in other reviews where they used IQ testing the ATI could run all the games at higher resolution, aa and af for optimal performance, i think it was a t HardOCPhttp://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjEx or the specific page which is http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjExLDEw It blatantly shows that the ATI can perform better, the IQ shows us what it really is like to play and which one is best to use to play the games with optimal performance and quality.... Ive made my choice
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Mason
at 21:46 5/5/2004
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My posts are "Mason", "me again" and "last one". My main source is AnandTech.com. Check out this link:http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=2044 Enjoy!
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last one
at 21:43 5/5/2004
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In the end it has to come down to features, and user preference (no, I
don't mean what kind of fan boy you are). In the feature department,
NVIDIA has implemented one of the coolest features I've seen in a
chipset: on board video codec encoding and decoding. This includes
all of the codec functionality integrated as on chip isntructions.
This takes a massive load off of the CPU when it comes to content
creation, and means that you should be able to stream video from pretty
much anywhere you find yourself. Both chips also include on board TV
decoding, but NVIDIA has included an instruction that encodes the regular
incoming TV signal into something more suitable for display on a high
resolution computer monitor. So, NVIDIA wins out feature wise. However, some users may prefer ATi's
single slot cooling solution. Also, we've all heard that those who wish
to use NVIDIA's 222million transistor beast will most likely need to
upgrade their power supply to at least 480w, and afford the card TWO
molex adapters that are not connect to anything else. We're hearing that
even 300w should be enough to power an X800, which requires less power
than even a 9800XT. This is a race that is too close to call. With new drivers from ATi and NVIDIA alike both in beta, we may see yet different results in a week to come, as every frame rate in this race counts. In the end, for the first time, there is a real opportunity for choice in which solution you buy. Therefore I declare the race, at least for now, is over. The winner, the consumer. Well, that's my two cents. And at a bargain price too! Enjoy!
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me again
at 21:42 5/5/2004
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However, the lead is rather small in most cases. The case where the lead
is the largest is in a PS2.0 intensive game: Far Cry. In Far Cry, R420
comes away with about a 40% lead ove NV40 (source AnandTehc.com). To get
an idea of just how much an improvement this is over current generation
hardware, this is an over 160%(!) improvement over Radeon 9700 Pro!!!
In most other games however, the lead is far less noticeable. Which,
really is how it should be. Most interesting to note, however, is the
performance of the X800 Pro. While obviously quite a bit slower than it's
big brother the X800XT Platinum Edition, it does an admirable job of
keeping up with the $500 dollar GF 6800 Ultra, at just $400. And it's
already on the market!On the OpenGL side of things, NVIDIA continues to lead the way.
The GeGorce 6800 Ultra comands an even greater lead most times here,
than the X800XT PE does in DX9.0 (with the exception of the Far Cry
bench). Looking like Doom III should be absolutely no problem for this
beast. In the end it has
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wake up u Imbecile
at 21:36 5/5/2004
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so many wussies (nvidiots or just losers with too much time on their hands) posting multiple posts arguing against ATI and imitating others. Ruby will kick ur ass!http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/r420-2.html
a 35 page review with 20 to 23 game benchmarks about how ATI owned nvidia, read it and stfu.
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Mason
at 21:31 5/5/2004
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Hey folks. Well, with both parts now official, and benchamarks filling the web, it's time I put my two cents in on the subject.I'll start with the bottom line: this is the closest competition we've seen from these two fierce competitors ever. From the benchmarks I've seen all over the web (most notably and reliably AnandTech.com), it apears that the Radeon X800s have an edge, albeit a slight edge, in DX9.0. This is because of, once again, the difference in how the two cards pipelines handle shader instructions. In NV40, alias GeForce 6800, the front side of the pixel pipline consists of two math and one texture unit, or a 16x1 architecture with two math units per pipe. This means that in a single texture rendering environment (any newer games where shaders are used instead of multitextures) the full pipline can be used for pixle shader instructions. This eliminates the interleave needed between runing a pixle shader (math) instruction and a texturing instruction needed in GeForce FX, because these things can now be done in paralel. However, one of the math units can also be used as a texture unit. In a nutshell, what this means is that the compiler will still have to do quite a bit of sorting, though not nearly as much as it did in NV3x. On the ATi side of things, we see a 16x1 architexture with FOUR math units at the front end of the pipe, and a completely independant texture unit. In software (the compiler) NV40 can emulate four math units when no texture unit is present, but that requires some shuffling on the part of the compiler. This, however, has a relatively small effect on the performance of the two chips, but explains ATi's rather negligiable lead in shader intensive DX9.0 games. In short, because R420 has a higher degree of paralelism in it's pipline, afforded by not having to share a math unit with texturing, it is able to perform more pixle shader instructions per clock under the correct conditions. However, the lead is rather small in
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RAID
at 20:37 5/5/2004
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LCD users should get 6800 Ultra
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DeQuosaek
at 20:36 5/5/2004
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6800Ultra is faster in higher resolution and AA4x AF8x. Ati is the other way around. If your monitor is old, get x800, since there's now way you could go higher than 1024x768
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Anonymous
at 20:34 5/5/2004
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Show me the link where x800 won in ALL games! You moron, some games are faster in x800, some in 6800U
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Anonymous
at 20:32 5/5/2004
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According to Anandtech, ati is faster if aa and af turned off and lower resolution.For example: http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=2044&p=18
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Bruce
at 20:25 5/5/2004
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You fool who cares about graphic quality? All I care is the FPS. With x800 i'll get decent fps, so what if i have to sacrifice some quality. moron
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Anonymous
at 20:23 5/5/2004
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haha..nice try A$Shole.
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DeQuosaek
at 20:23 5/5/2004
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From what I see so far, X800XTPE is faster but not that much. Besides, its more blocky and blurry. If you dont care about graph and care about FPS, get X800XTPE. For eye candies, get 6800Ultra.
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Anonymous
at 20:22 5/5/2004
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wat are you talking about jessica... that doesnt make sence at all... the x800 is better overall in all games..
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Anonymous
at 20:19 5/5/2004
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List of games that are faster with which card : (Based on 16 reviews across the web)Breed demo: X800XT
Final Fantasy XI: 6800 Ultra
Delta Force BHD: X800XT
Pandora Tomorrow: 6800 Ultra
UT 2004: 6800 Ultra
Rainbow Six 3: X800XT
FarCry: 6800 Ultra
Lock On: X800XT
Max Payne 2: X800XT
Deus EX Inv War: 6800 Ultra
Quake 3: X800XT
Serious Sam SE: X800XT
PainKiller: 6800 Ultra
Postal 2: X800XT
Tomb Raider AOD: X800XT
Jedi Academy: X800XT
Battlefield 1942: X800XT
Battlefield Vietnam:6800 Ultra
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Raid
at 20:18 5/5/2004
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TO "Anonymous
at 19:58 5/5/2004"
**FarCry looks much better with 6800U than with x800. In Lock On, the graphic is very blocky using X800, its like playing with PlayStation1. In Nascar game, ATI images look very blurred, you couldnt see anything. Bye bye ATI, hello NVIDIA.***Lol you are so funny
go get your new glasses i think you need them
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Anonymous
at 20:13 5/5/2004
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Wow, you are a dumnbass its the other way around
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Anonymous
at 20:12 5/5/2004
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Results so far :
50.33% of the votes go with NVIDIA products
49.67% of the votes go with ATI products i must say its a tie again!
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Raid
at 20:10 5/5/2004
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GamePro... i only have a 9600pro and farCry already look amazing and run fast!dont tell me a X800-XT wont run FarCry with incredible speed I usually dont post that but here... enjoy http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=2044&p=11 http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/20040504/ati-x800-31.html
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Jessica
at 20:9 5/5/2004
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Good job ATI, good job NVIDIA. They are both good and fast equally, except that some games are faster with 6800Ultra (FarCry, EA Nascar, Call of Duty, Pandora Tomorrow) and some games are faster with x800XT PE (Ghost Recon, Rainbow Six 3, the first Splinter cell)Its an easy choice. If you're still playing old games, get X800Xt PE, there's no need to get 6800Ultra. For a hardcore gamers who always play brand new games and want the best of the best, they should get 6800 Ultra, or even better 6850 ultra.
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eJooT
at 20:8 5/5/2004
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Both the cards look so shiney...the gpu is so shiny it hurts my poor eyes =(
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Anonymous
at 20:4 5/5/2004
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from what i gather, once full-scene antialiasing and anisotropic filtering are enabled, 6800U cards are crap.
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Anonymous
at 20:3 5/5/2004
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Im gonna get myself an X800 XT PE. We all know that its slower than 6800 Ultra, but I couldnt stand Ruby. You have to understand that i'm a very lonely guy, still living in the basement of my parent house. I need something to satisfy my urge. Sure mermaid looks good too, but i want to have sexx with fish? With Ruby, ATi sure know how to sell their cards. Its slower than nvidia, but no one could resist Ruby. Mmmm mmmmm Ruby.........i wish i married her
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Anonymous
at 19:58 5/5/2004
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Gamepro
at 19:48 5/5/2004
X800 is faster in older games that no one ever play anymore like Halo, Rise of Nation, C&C general, etc
6800U is faster in newer games like FarCry, Colin McRae 4, HalfLife2, Doom 3 etcWhich card to buy? Depends. If you want to play old games, get ATI X800, If you want to play brand new games, get 6800U What the F*CK are u talking about?? ati is faster in 90% of the games u mention, whether it's new or old...dumb F*CK!!
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Anonymous
at 19:58 5/5/2004
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I've been using ATI for 5 years now and I think its time to get 6800Ultra this time. Dont get me wrong, ATI is good, but 6800Ultra is faster in most of the games. Not to mention graphic quality, FarCry looks much better with 6800U than with x800. In Lock On, the graphic is very blocky using X800, its like playing with PlayStation1. In Nascar game, ATI images look very blurred, you couldnt see anything. Bye bye ATI, hello NVIDIA.
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Anonymous
at 19:52 5/5/2004
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Yeah, I notice that too. X800 is FASTER is some games, but not all. But, who still playing C&C General anyway? Besides, I heard that ATI card get broken easily. My friend's 9800XT stop working after 2 months of using, he traded it with 5900U and he's happy with it.I really enjoy FarCry, I'm gonna get Geforce 6800 Ultra for my birthday this summer :)
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Gamepro
at 19:48 5/5/2004
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X800 is faster in older games that no one ever play anymore like Halo, Rise of Nation, C&C general, etc6800U is faster in newer games like FarCry, Colin McRae 4, HalfLife2, Doom 3 etc Which card to buy? Depends. If you want to play old games, get ATI X800, If you want to play brand new games, get 6800U
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I'm a loser
at 19:43 5/5/2004
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Typical ATIDIOTS:- 35 Years old or older
- Unemployed
- Virgin
- Still living with parents
- Fat, long hair, ponytail
- Always btch about the card they couldnt afford to buy LOL its so true
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Raid
at 19:9 5/5/2004
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Anonymous
at 18:10 5/5/2004 yeah i heard that the watercooled version of the 6800 was gonna be called 6850 but its just rumours i had a good laugh when i saw 6800 "Ultra" "Extreme" hehe its like too much fancy words for not that much ;) whats next... the 6800 Ultra Extreme Golden Absolute lol Later
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Anonymous
at 18:19 5/5/2004
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Here is engineering for you guys. Nvidia scrapped everything and went back to the drawing boards for the NV40 totally new design. ATI on the other hand ATI felt that there is still much that can be done with the 3 year old R300 technology. ATI perfected the R300 and called it the R420. ATI has invested much less than Nvidia who spent in the hundreds of millions. Over 220 million transistor for what for second place. ATI still dominates with their 6X AA and 16X AF. Now they have added 3dc which will definitely become the standard compression because normal maps are here to stay. ATI choose the smarter route for 2004 by sticking with PS 2.0+.
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Anonymous
at 18:10 5/5/2004
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Hey Raid! yeah I'm pretty sure that Nvidia next card is the 6800ultra extreme. It appeared on the X800 reviews, but still lost as for the 6850 I don't know, because Nvidia and Gainward are creating a watercooled version of the NV40 that could be the 6850. However Asus has assured ATI that they also can compete with any of Nvidia or its partners offering. I did not even know that they have announced a 6850 solution.
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Anonymous
at 18:2 5/5/2004
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i'm a 37 year old, unemployed, living with my parents, virgin. i will now spend my life's savings on a new x800 card. i hope the chicks get impress enough to grant me sex. Haha jerk off to ATI's Ruby.
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Anonymous
at 18:0 5/5/2004
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You have to have money first to throw it away. I am a hardcore gamer, and like all hardcore gamers I look to better my gaming experience. The X800 is about 4X more powerful than the 9700.
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Anonymous
at 17:56 5/5/2004
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r u sure man the 9800pro is hell of a card.
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Anonymous
at 17:39 5/5/2004
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hmmmm..now i need to get rid of my 9800pro somehow.
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Coke Man
at 17:14 5/5/2004
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Anonymous
at 15:37 5/5/2004
from god's hand himself, i give u, X800 XT\PE. *holy monk chants ensues*ROTFLMAO!!
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Anonymous
at 16:50 5/5/2004
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You have a 9700 pro and your going to upgrade to a x800xt?
Must be nice to throw money away
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Kano
at 16:28 5/5/2004
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A.T.I R.U.L.E 4 EVER
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Kano
at 16:25 5/5/2004
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i got to hand it to ATI,There the best !!! i used to have F@got assed nvidia cards (4 of them) all crap then i got me hercules 9700 pro and it still plays all the lastest games like far cry and painkiller pulling ova 30-90fps !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and carnt wait to by the x800xt LONG LIVE ATI
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Anonymous
at 16:18 5/5/2004
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BULLSEYE!!! i just shot cum in my mouth!!
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Anonymous
at 16:12 5/5/2004
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has it ever occur to u that there are faggots reading this board here too? stop calling the fags, faggots please.
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Anonymous
at 15:52 5/5/2004
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I Have to give it up for nVidia, They 'HAD' the best card for a whole week, thats got to be a record for them.
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ITS OVER U NVIDIA FAGGETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Anonymous
at 15:42 5/5/2004
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nVidia, just plain disgusting, gross, i think i'm gonna throw up!
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Anonymous
at 15:37 5/5/2004
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from god's hand himself, i give u, X800 XT\PE. *holy monk chants ensues*
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Anonymous
at 15:30 5/5/2004
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i'm a 37 year old, unemployed, living with my parents, virgin. i will now spend my life's savings on a new x800 card. i hope the chicks get impress enough to grant me sex.
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Anonymous
at 15:25 5/5/2004
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wheres the nvidia faggots?
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cantsay
at 15:16 5/5/2004
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Everyone is anonymous around here. Anyway, my point was that its not ATI's engineering team that magically made the card a one molex connection, cool running card, its TSMC. In fact, I bet TSMC is getting all sorts of fruit baskets and wrist watches from ATI. If not, they should be. They are also responsible for ATI's cool runnings. IBM is losing a lot of business at good ol' Fishkill (great name for a town) New York. If they don't pull their socks up over there, they are going to lose nvidia and many others. Bad yields over there leading to low clocks. I guess big blue can't be good at everythhing.
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Anonymous
at 15:16 5/5/2004
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fanboyism, u gotta luv it
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Anonymous
at 15:14 5/5/2004
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wow gj ati you still the leader !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Anonymous
at 15:10 5/5/2004
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there are some places to put the word ati
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cantsay
at 15:7 5/5/2004
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you mean become a fanATIc?
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Anonymous
at 15:4 5/5/2004
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nvidiots can convert to atism
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cantsay
at 15:4 5/5/2004
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You are nasty.
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Anonymous
at 15:2 5/5/2004
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to all my nvidia devotees, lets unite and suck each other's c0ck..to relieve and compensate, our lost for graphic card supremacy. god have mecry on us.
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cantsay
at 14:42 5/5/2004
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Credit where credit is due. The cool running for ATI chips is due to the low-k process at TSMC. Nvidia made a mistake going with IBM. They are supposedly having problems with their manufacturing process. I don't think TSMC will be that happy with nvidia's backstabbing tactics. Yeah, so its not necessarily the nvidia team that is to blame. The manufacturing process plays a huge role.
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Anonymous
at 14:42 5/5/2004
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nvidia should might as well join forces with ati and make an uber super card...on second thought, better not...don't want to catch nvidia bad luck.
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DeQuosaek
at 14:35 5/5/2004
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Thanks, dude. I knew ATi had something up their sleeves. It just seems like they always have better engineering. nVidia may clock theirs higher (and produce more heat and use more energy)hat's not necessarily what makes for a better card. :)
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Raid
at 14:15 5/5/2004
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i always like your comments DeQuosaek
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DeQuosaek
at 14:13 5/5/2004
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And before anyone brings up drivers... take a look at what www.firingsquad.com had to say about the latest drivers from both."We’re also impressed by ATI’s driver quality. While NVIDIA’s ForceWare 61 driver is riddled with bugs, we found our experience with ATI’s beta driver for the X800 series to be a much more pleasurable experience. For instance, the ForceWare control panel wasn’t always up to snuff, even as frames would occasionally pause for three seconds or more in IL-2 Sturmovik: Forgotten Battles regardless of the GeForce card used. Right now, we’d have to give the driver quality edge to ATI, despite the fact that their current CATALYST driver doesn’t provide all of the features currently found in ForceWare 50, much less NVIDIA’s upcoming 60 release (although we’ve been told that ATI’s CATALYST team has quite a few goodies in the works for ATI card owners). We’d take stability over features any day of the week in a display driver and this is exactly what ATI is delivering at this moment."
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Raid
at 13:54 5/5/2004
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6800 ultra extreme lol are you sure its not called the 6850?Anonymous
at 13:31 5/5/2004 NVIDIA---> The Desperate way its meant to be played
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Anonymous
at 13:53 5/5/2004
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if nvidia were to be giving away the watercooling for free with teh cards they would be winning some fans however its another add on and more money.. so in fact these cheap phucks aint gonna win no extra fans by selling add ons to make there inferior crap comparable to a normal ati setup... imagine if we water cooled our ati cards.. Nvidia would be puking there guts out and firing all there engineers. I THINK one has already stated they should get out of the card business and start selling tele-tubbies..
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Raid
at 13:49 5/5/2004
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[SA]V3rT0 stop posting that shit you dont even know about and start reading the boards... the 6800Ultra is the Top Notch of NVIDIA card serie and the faster version of the 6800 will be the 6850 who is WATER COOLED you moron... put a wATER Cooling sytem in a ATI X800-XT and OMFG you will fly to the moon in a nano second The water cooling system is a desperate way for NVIDIA to win back some fans... it sucks and you sucks for posting that (in other boards too you say the same thing but you dont even know what it is) next time try to read what people say and infor yourself on what your about to post the war IS over you loose... bend and pick your NVIDIA card in the big hole where it felt so i can kick your ass ;P (i love this board)
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Anonymous
at 13:36 5/5/2004
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Well we will see what Asus can do with the X800 maybe liquid nitrogen he he
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Anonymous
at 13:34 5/5/2004
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gainward is only going to make 1,000 of those cards at 699 us
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Anonymous
at 13:32 5/5/2004
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Oh give it a rest already ATI has won plain and simple.
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Anonymous
at 13:31 5/5/2004
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The faster chip you are talking about is the 6800ultra Extreme it is not as fast as the X800XT Platnium. There is a special version from Nvidias partner Gainward, it is suppose to be water cooled, however water cooling does not count in my eyes. Why doesn't Nvidia just make a better chip, instead of water cooling.
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What now Nvidiots
at 13:27 5/5/2004
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Oh the war is over, and the R480 will finish it. Water cooled does not count, if Nvidia has to go to those lengths just to compete with a one slot solution their engineering is truely shit. Anyways I not worried since the R420 core can hit speeds of 600mzh with stock cooler, and being one of the major developers of GDDR3 I think they can get their hands on 2GIG memory chip new from Samsung exclusively.
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[SA]V3rT0
at 13:21 5/5/2004
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Well the war isnt over yet because Nvidia is supposed to release faster versions of the 6800.
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Anonymous
at 13:20 5/5/2004
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I have ordered the X800 pro off the ATI site, it should be here in 6 days he he!
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willy
at 13:17 5/5/2004
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Add insult to injury. You can actually buy a XT800 or 800PRO now. This was no paper launch. The 6800Ultra however is a paper launch. You cannot get them. And don't even expect to see the water-cooled 6800Ultra. That will come very much later. Double whammy for Nvidia......
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Anonymous
at 13:15 5/5/2004
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Have to wonder when Nvidia will start cheating.....
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Anonymous
at 13:9 5/5/2004
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That's of course Weebl if you can find a pc case and power supply to run the 6800Ultra. ;)
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Weebl and Bob
at 13:3 5/5/2004
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Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. Who actually gives a XXXX? Are you realy going to see the differnce when you are busy playing a game or staring at web pages? Just get whatever tickles your fancy and stop acting like children- "Mines better than yours"- crap.
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Anonymous
at 13:0 5/5/2004
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Oh just for a lil info, the newest nvidia drivers distort farcry, including breaking some fog in order to get higher performace but suffers the visual quality. Also, before u nvidiots start saying OMFG OMFG it doesn't have ps3.0!... ok so what? only dif is 3.0 is SLIGHTLY faster, almost to visual inhancements at all, so fuk the nvidots and there lame hype and ads, fuk all u nvidiots.
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Anonymous
at 12:51 5/5/2004
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I agree, this just proves that ATI is a great Canadian vid card maker and Nvidia's U.S. engineers (if you can call them that) are incompetent.
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Anonymous
at 12:48 5/5/2004
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What people seem to forget is the lower end 800PRO 12 pipeline card runs on par and sometimes beats the 16 pipeline 6800Ultra in tests. And when it does lose out, it only loses by a small margin. And that card is $399.99 compared to Nvidia's 6800Ultra at $499.99. This dos not bode well for Nvidia as the 12 pipeline Nvidia card will lose almost for certain against the R420 pipeline card(800pro) that it is supposed to go up against.
ATI has done it again. This is the same results as the 9700pro over the 5800Ultra. The R420 IS SMALLER. QUIETER. COOLER RUNNING. Uses less POWER. And fits in any case. Even small LAN gaming PC'S. OEM'S are going to love this chip.
But what makes this a even bigger win for ATI this time around then the 9700pro debut, is the fact that Nvidia produced the best card they could. Learned(some things) from their mistakes and developed the NV40. One sweet card. ATI just made one better. That must be demorilizing for the CEO of Nvidia as he has one big ego.
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Anonymous
at 12:41 5/5/2004
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Nivida just got f**ked in their ass deep and hard again.PS ATI says that they did not use protection hehe!
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Anonymous
at 12:40 5/5/2004
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LISTEN I'M AM NOT BUYING A CARD THAT HAS LESS PERFORMANCE FOR THE SAME PRICE. X800 HERE I COME
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Anonymous
at 12:38 5/5/2004
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HOLY f**k, I just checked out the X800XT review, it is a f**king monster, I had nightmares.
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Anonymous
at 12:36 5/5/2004
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Hey what do you guy think about sff case shuttle, they look pretty cool.
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ATiKING
at 12:19 5/5/2004
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where the hell are all the nvidia ball lickers?? piff...loosers.
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Anonymous
at 11:53 5/5/2004
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im so dissappointed come on flamers sry n-vidiots u can do better then this,lets face it there both great cards,just ati's is faster in most bench marks and need i go on,ah no.Great job ati WOOT.
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Raid
at 11:46 5/5/2004
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even if both card had the same speed... id go with ATI cause you dont need the extra power supply (extra $$$, extra power consumtion, extra big card that nvidia but why for??? i think its bad architecture ;))X800 is faster = a winner
X800 is less power demanding = a winner
X800 is a monster = a winner Long Live to ATI (and Nvidia... you know we like to kick their ass (and create a price war that is always good for the customer) And like its already been said.... FarCry run FASTER on the ATI and look BETTER too (poor Nvidia its a shame lol and all their fan boys are hiding god knows where)
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Anonymous
at 11:38 5/5/2004
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when are they gonna release the consumer friendly $200 budget card? a'la X600 pro\xt??
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Anonymous
at 11:9 5/5/2004
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Bottom line ATI keeps the crown
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Anonymous
at 11:7 5/5/2004
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George are you retarded Farcry is faster on the R420
source: http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/radeon%20x800%20pro%20xt_05040480526/2119.png
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Anonymous
at 11:4 5/5/2004
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what the f**k the 6800 utlra does not run Farcry faster at all.
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Anonymous
at 11:4 5/5/2004
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A good 20 frame difference between X800XT and 6800ultra E. In UT4K in favor of ATI.
http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/images/20040504-qual6.gif
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Anonymous
at 10:57 5/5/2004
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George, so ur saying ud get a 6800U because it runs Far Cry 5 fps faster than the XT-PE, but i suppose u dont mind the blocky textures and in a few reviews they didnt even want to show the images as it looked ugly, hmm let me think about it, oh yea it looks like the XT-PE is better, and anyway, if any of u say oh the 6800U runs faster at more basic resolutions and quality, why the HECK do u want ot by the top of the range cards, if u buy the top of the range cards u want to whack it up to the highest possible setting dont u!
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Anonymous
at 10:52 5/5/2004
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i would like to ask, how are u gonna buy games if u have to buy another 500 dollars worth of equipment to run the 6800, ooo lets get a 550w power supply and then try to free up a slot so my heatsink can fit, hmm very cost effectiveThe ATI x800 XT-PE is a revision of the 9800XT they have complete eliminated all the flaws, and it runs 2x as fast and its using the chip architecture of the 9800 too, while nVidia had to spend millions just making a new one, so let me think, once ATI actually make a new GPU that would easily wipe the Graphics market clean as it would most probably be 2x as fast as the x800 XT-PE Also nVidia are bringing out an Extreme version, so umm, the Ultra is priced at 499 like the XT-PE isnt the Extreme gonna be priced at what, 549 -599 and it will need more power, more room, more heat and still MAYBE just beat x800XT-PE U decide because ive decided 5 years ago when i bought a lowly Rage 32mb that this company are the greatest!
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Anonymous
at 10:51 5/5/2004
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By Georgeanonymous @ 7:6 . Ur the f**king retarted, people like u are f**kin-idiots,vidiots. FAR CRY - nvidia runs faster, HL2, frankly dont care much, what about D3.... 50%?? u must be f**king joking average difference is 5-10fps. if u got 10 more frames in games running on average 40-60fps, do ur f**king math moron, GO TO SCHOOL! You are kidding rights, it is not nice to make up your own reviews!!
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Anonymous
at 10:49 5/5/2004
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Over all the X800XT is roughly 20% better the 6800ultra at highest resolutions with AA and AF maxed. That is big. Also Nvidia's on board video chip sucks big time, it still uses 100% of the CPU. ATI on board video solution uses only 40% of the CPU sometimes. ATI has beaten Nvidia at every level.
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Anonymous
at 10:45 5/5/2004
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The difference is huge check out Xbitlabs.com, check their review on the X800XT. An example Colin Mcrae and Unreal T 2004. At 1024x768 AA AF turned to max the X800XT get a good 40 frames more in UT4K. In Colin Mcrae NV40 gets destroyed. Test were done using first revision drivers for R420, while Nvidia had their 2nd revision, but still got killed. Get you facts straight.
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Anonymous
at 9:38 5/5/2004
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Umm could someone explain what are normal maps ¿? Or point some link with info...Thanks
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DeQuosaek
at 9:32 5/5/2004
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Dude, george, the X800XT runs Far Cry much faster and the 6800Ultra still has blocky textures and has all sorts of problems displaying Far Cry. So the "Made for nVidia" game seems to run faster and look much better on ATi. But that's nothing new.
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george
at 8:35 5/5/2004
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anonymous @ 7:6 . Ur the f**king retarted, people like u are f**kin-idiots,vidiots. FAR CRY - nvidia runs faster, HL2, frankly dont care much, what about D3.... 50%?? u must be f**king joking average difference is 5-10fps. if u got 10 more frames in games running on average 40-60fps, do ur f**king math moron, GO TO SCHOOL!
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Anonymous
at 8:19 5/5/2004
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Yes my friend let the battle of the giants begin.
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Anonymous
at 8:18 5/5/2004
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ATI says that their X800 series will power laptops.
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Anonymous
at 8:17 5/5/2004
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Bottom line ATI knows how to make a kickass VPU.
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Dograzor
at 7:34 5/5/2004
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Let the battle begin: ATI versus nVIDIA. Let the best one win.
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Anonymous
at 7:6 5/5/2004
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1-2 frame difference are you f**ked the X800XT sometimes beats the 6800ultra by 50%. Check out colin Mcrae 2004, HL-2, Stalker, Unreal T 2004, Farcry. Are you stupid. The R420 kills at the highest resolutions.
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george
at 6:23 5/5/2004
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okey, so i always prefered ati and now all thouse nvidia fanboys can c how the biggest performance leak is outdone again. Aight, getting serious for a sec. I almost fully read the benchmarks and reviews of both cards. I must say 6800 did a great improvement with its image quality aswell speed. The difference between ATI and NVidia aint so great at all, i personaly dont give a shit bout 1-2 fps here or there. What got my attention was " We had to buy a 550W powersupply for 6800 Ultra edition " on some site. I mean I'd buy FX 6800 just cuz it has more features i can keep it for longer, but come on, im gonna triple the price within months with my power supply. I dont know what think of this stuff, hope next versions will be more optimized and ati will add some features aswell, 3dc - daught its gonna be used much, just cuz ATI wants it. anyway peace
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Anonymous
at 6:12 5/5/2004
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f**k the X800's are all sold out on ATI website.Sold out in 8hrs
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Anonymous
at 6:3 5/5/2004
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Why hasn't megagames posted ATI's victory, have they been payed off or something.
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Anonymous
at 5:55 5/5/2004
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f**k there are more games that are going to use 3dc than PS3.0 paths this year.
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Anonymous
at 5:29 5/5/2004
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The X800XT beat the 6800ultra by 50% is some tests, even in Farcry, and Stalker which are supposed to be Nvidia's "Meant to be played" campaign. ATI's next driver release will definitely boost performance. 3dc will be adopted very quickly not like Nvidia's Cg. Normal maps are here to stay.
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Anonymous
at 5:24 5/5/2004
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Water cooling doesn't count, it shows how desperate Nvidia really is. Why doesn't it count because, if Nvidia has to go the lengths of water cooling that show how limited their technology really is.
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Tom
at 5:22 5/5/2004
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Well said fubar. I could never understand when people would say a video card can be future proofed. They can't. Well, onmly for a year if that. The 9700pro is the coolest to future proofing. It still plays PS2.0 games great. Better then the FX series as Nvidia did not follow MS API the way ATI did. But otherwise, future proofing is silly.
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fubar
at 5:19 5/5/2004
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...continued...
Even the mid-range cards in that generation will run faster then the high-end R420 or NV40. And DX 9.0c is not even out yet. And it won't be for some time. And for the NV40 to stretch it's legs with PS3.0, games will have to be fully PS3.0 compliant. Not use partial shaders from past generations like PS2.0 or PS1.4. Because that will make no difference. FarCry is one example. It uses a hybrid of shaders mostly PS2.0 and some PS3.0. The R420 runs that game better and with better IQ. Nvidia should have optimized fully PS2.0. ATI did, and it will pay off this year. The life span of the R420 and the NV40. That's as long as a card can be "future proofed" The NV30, NV35, NV38 proved this all to well......
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fubar
at 5:17 5/5/2004
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http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=15717
This is the xtreme inwhich Nvidia is trying to do to get the performance crown back. A liquid cool 6800 by Gainward. Too bad that the card will cost $599.99US and if it even beats the XT800, it will only be by a little. And the card will be HUGE with the water setup. And consume even more power. Gee, what a deal. Can anyone find a 480W power supply? Good luck.
And as for PS3.0. cantasy your 100% right. It will be important and make a huge difference. Just not this year. Remember Transform and Lighting?(T&L) Remember P.S.1.4?
Not one of those were used in the cutrrent generation it came out. FP32 or 128bit true color. That came out with the NV30. That is still not in use and won't be this year. Encoding is MAJOR sweet. However it does nothing for gaming and adds increased heat and power consumption to the GPU. The very reason Nvidia cannot clock the NV40 higher out of the box to 500+ without extreme cooling methods.
2 power connectors? 2 slots? Loud. Hotter then the 9800XT. Hotter then the 5950. Hotter then any card out except for the 5800.
Those new shiny features on the NV40 are damn sweet. If you use them. Unfortunately they won't be used until later this year. If that. By then, the NV50 and the R500 come out. Waste of silicon. Too many transsitors=less speed and less IQ and bigger chip.cantsay, you cannot fool proof a video card in the light of rapid technology change. The NV30 was a perfect example of this. It had all the "advanced" features for future gaming and flopped. Because the chip refresh rate is every 6 months, future proofing your gpu is useless like the balls on the Pope. Like the 9700pro proved that we want a card to play games for the now and immediate future. Not the far ahead future. Fact: When PS3.0 comes to factor in 2005, we will see the NV50 and R500 and another shader operation increase from PS3.0. Those chips will be on .11 die size and run really fast. Even the mid-range cards in that ge
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cantsay
at 4:42 5/5/2004
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Well, there is one thing to consider. While it is true that ps 3.0 will not be used in quantity for at least another half year, it is a futureproofing issue. If ps 3.0 was not of any importance, then microshaft would not have included it in DX9 (it has ps 3.0 functionality built in since the beginning). Also, how can these card be evaluated fully without the next installment of directX? Wasn't it dx 9.0c or something?
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Anonymous
at 3:45 5/5/2004
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ATI RULES OVER THE NVIDIOT FOOL!!!!
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Applecrusher
at 3:41 5/5/2004
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PS3 is not used anywhere and wont be for ages!
HELL barely any games use PS2 at the moment... (well a few but still not enough)
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Silicon_Assassin
at 3:26 5/5/2004
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Well, I'm a ATI fan boy, used Nvidia few times and hated it. But I'm a little confused with what ATI are doing. I really don't think these cards will be able to beat the Geforce 6800, purely on the fact they don't support PS 3.0. et's hope ATI pull there pants up after this little set back and make a new card quick which can support it. I'm going to wait till PCI express before I get my new card!- Wills out
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Applecrusher
at 0:32 5/5/2004
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/me droolsTHE NVIDIOTS LOSE AGAIN!
ohh well mabey in teh next dozen or so generations tehy will have a winner :P
(NOT!)
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Bruce
at 0:23 5/5/2004
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Yup. I use nvidia always have but i wont be buying that new vidio card. Not only are the specs to use the card too demanding after reading several different reviews I myself must say ATI is really making nvidia look like a company that truely is inferior in the engineering department. You've just got yourself a new customer ati.
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Anonymous
at 0:18 5/5/2004
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Looks like ati is owning the Nvidiots again. Almost 90 percent of the reviews todate have said the ati line is faster in almost every test and even its lowest card the x800pro can beat the nvidiots Highest rated card in several tests. They also say atis card blows the nvidiots card away when as usual af and aa are enabled. Another funny thing, atis card smacks the nvidots card in ut2004. I think nvidia needs too change that slogan " the way its meant to be played" to something like the way it Use to be meant to be played way back in the year 2002 when the gf2 lines owned ati. Also 3 different web sites said the drivers of nvidia crack and just dont work when u enable certain settings like aa etc etc and atis drivers seem to be flawless so far. Looks like you nvidiots also cant say your drivers own anymore... just wait tell you see what atis new driver looks like. You nvidiots will piss your pants. Hmm and did i mention how rediculous your card is.. 4800WATTS 2 POWER CONNECTORS 2 SLOTS AND that REDICULOUS sized heatsink... haha, even if you nvidots wanted one you'd have to make so many changes like new powersupply, maybe new case if you have a small one like a shuttle for example and of course the fact you'd be buying a card that is inferior in speed to the new ati cards and ohh, once again, your card costs more cuz it costs more to produce ..... lol you poor nvidots.... turn over to the lights and join ati...
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Anonymous
at 23:34 4/5/2004
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first post muahahhaha
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