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Mune
at 10:50 17/9/2005
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Your site is realy very interesting.
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Matt
at 23:51 20/6/2005
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What makes some of you, the ones that say "bye bye" nVidia, stupid as rats is the fact that it would create a monopoly of the performance graphics inudstry. That would destroy your ability to buy a cheap card... Trust me, ATI would kill nVidia just to make a quick buck, but I think the R600 stats are fake, obviously because what half you of you don't know:If you are in the semiconductor industry (me): 65nm isn't even yet available to high core-clocked GPUs... Intel has used 65nm process succesfully on SRAM, but it cannot be achieved on GPU cores being on how much is used. This architecture will become available by 3rd quarter of 2006... For TESTING! So hang it up, the "R600" was a fake identity of a dream!
You cannot poise WGF2.0 BECAUSE LONGHORN ISN'T EVEN RELEASED FOR THE MARKETS!
--------------- Whoever said that:
"The XBOX GPU is better..." Give me a break, I have seen it's ingame and techinical demos at E3-- It won't be too special. The Cell coupled with a raw pipe to the graphics card of supercomputer proportions shall easily blow up that thing. I feel that you can't understand, because you didn't shake hands with Tim Sweeny!
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Anonymous
at 16:53 19/6/2005
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i saw that ps3 thing of the unreal 3 demo being played at that really really high resolution i think it was like 2000x1000 or something
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Anonymous
at 16:53 19/6/2005
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i saw that ps3 thing of the unreal 3 demo being played at that really really high resolution i think it was like 2000x1000 or something
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Anonymous
at 21:15 17/6/2005
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Blade 3D rules!!!
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Anonymous
at 21:11 17/6/2005
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with unreal3, u should be able to run it fine but not at max settings. It took the unreal dev team 6800ultra sli's to reach max settings, with not PERFET framerates. u shoudl be fine at a medium-high quality though. unreal3 is really meant to be aimed at the g70/r520, xbox360/ps3 and other next-gen hardware.
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willy
at 19:38 17/6/2005
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thanks
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Anonymous
at 19:12 17/6/2005
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I have an x800pro. Im not sure who these new cards are aimed at. But this card is still smokin fast and I see no games comming any time soon that it wont be able too play. I highly doubt that the x800pro's and 6800gt's wont be able too play ue3 games well. Even if they cant. But the time those games start comming out we'll be at the next generation after this comming one anyways.
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Anonymous
at 11:32 17/6/2005
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it happens, but only rarely. might have been some strange mobo hardware issue.
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Anonymous
at 12:33 16/6/2005
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we did update the bios after he got the card. It worked fien for a while then...bam...i nvr said it had anything with the card, im just confused as why an nvidia card would be compatable on an nforce motherboard so well. We've updated everythign possible. He got a new rig today, Neo2 and 3200+ venice i believe. He said it runs amazing. I do know it was something with the motherboard...just didnt know why
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Anonymous
at 10:27 16/6/2005
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"Well, we tested it for a faulty card and it wasn't because we tried it in another computer and it worked great on that motherboard. but HIS nforce motherboard BY nvidia didn't want to support it. we tried changing all driver versions from 6x to 7x and all chipset drivers from 5.xx to 6.xx betas. still didnt work. half the time the computer restarted during the chipset driver installation. I know it was because of incompatability because he had an ATi card and it worked great for about 4 years not a single problem with anything on the same mb."well, this stuff also happens the other way around. seems bios related to me
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Anonymous
at 9:8 16/6/2005
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"if you set them up properly. sometimes there are faulty cards from each company, but not that many. stability-wise a 6800 is just as stable as a x800. same goes for the drivers. on both sides, there are people who are obviously unable to install video cards/drivers."Well, we tested it for a faulty card and it wasn't because we tried it in another computer and it worked great on that motherboard. but HIS nforce motherboard BY nvidia didn't want to support it. we tried changing all driver versions from 6x to 7x and all chipset drivers from 5.xx to 6.xx betas. still didnt work. half the time the computer restarted during the chipset driver installation. I know it was because of incompatability because he had an ATi card and it worked great for about 4 years not a single problem with anything on the same mb. "btw i read that the g70 will be available in pcie and agp. don't know whether it is true, time will tell" ok thx for clearing that up, and not being an *ss about it ;)
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Anonymous
at 6:3 16/6/2005
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Join the feking forum you losers!
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Anonymous
at 4:14 16/6/2005
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@nex: there are people having problems with nvidia cards, and there are people whose ati cards don't work properly.
on the other hand. both nvidia and ati cards work fine, if you set them up properly. sometimes there are faulty cards from each company, but not that many. stability-wise a 6800 is just as stable as a x800. same goes for the drivers. on both sides, there are people who are obviously unable to install video cards/drivers. btw i read that the g70 will be available in pcie and agp. don't know whether it is true, time will tell
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Nex
at 20:14 15/6/2005
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3dmark does not prove anything unless u get into really different numbers. It really doesnt show how the gfx card operates, but lets face the facts. once u get scores of 7800 for the g70, and over 10k for the r520, theres an obvious difference in performance there. U have to see to the fact that...ati will easily win in the next-gen cards. However, with the current top of the line cards (6800 ultra & x800XT PE) there is an almost unoticable difference. They are almost dead on in scores, which doesn't prove anything. Sure ATi brought out the x850, a rehash of the series, but since nvidia didnt counter it with anything, theres no point in comparing since it will outperform nvidias top card. Not by much...but it does.As for the cards themselves, and the overall view, ati is currently leading in card stability. Their drivers, rated most stable, and their cards also very compatable with a lot. The compataboility goes as far as bring AGP to the r520 series, which im sure nvidia prolly has no plans to bring in AGP versions, or at least they did not mention anything as far as i know. If im wrong, please correct me, but don't be an *ss about it. For middle range cards, i will have to admit that nvidia is better, and u dont know how much it kills me to use the words nvidia and better in the same sentence... the 6600gt and 6800gt clearly outperform ati's competing 'pro' series, at the same price.
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Nex
at 14:4 15/6/2005
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sry forgot to put in my name ;)
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Anonymous
at 14:3 15/6/2005
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"That's the only point of view that matters in the market place!"only to the manufacturer. To the rest of the consumers it doesnt matter at all. There of course still needs to be competition, since if only ati existed, then their cards would be like, $1500 for an x800 pro, or same price for a 6800gt or soemthing. The point of the battles though is to try and show some ppl how much better another manufacturer is over the other, in this case we are trying to point out that the r520 is going to be better than the g70. we are also trying to point out other major facts to ppl, that ati's windows drivers are much more stable, their cards are indeed, more stable, but u cant fight on performance of a card when they are so closely matched. there are certain things u can say, such as 6600gt outperforms x700 pro's and 6800gt's outperform x800 pro's, but that isnt ALWAYS the only thing that matters. there are other things to take into consideration of the card other than the, this card scored 3fps higher in this game, and stuff. The matter of compatability matters too. my friend has a 6600gt, and put it in his nforce motherboard, and it didnt work right...strange huh? u'd think that it wouod...and then had an ati card in there and it worked fine...no problems for a logn time. (he had the ati card first for like, 3 years+, had the 6600gt for about 4 months now) Im ust trying to prove a point, that benchmarks, and other things aren't always the centerpiece of how good the card is. Right now, im sure all of u will have to admit that the r520 WILL beat the g70 in performance, but we cant tell how good the cards are until they are released. But however, i am betting my money on ATi since they have had more stable cards for a while now.
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Simple Simon
at 6:10 15/6/2005
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Anonymous
at 5:49 15/6/2005
So true. If it were not for the 6800GT, the XL800XL would have never been made. Nor would the XL800XL sell for such a great price. Now, you can even find the 6800GT in some places at the same price as the XL800XL. That's what competition does! Perfect example how it benefits consumers. Do you actually think if Nvidia did not release the 6800GT, ATI would have created the XL800? We all know the answer for that.....
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Simple Simon
at 6:2 15/6/2005
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...continued..
Not just in benchmarks such as 3DMarks which i for one have ZERO faith in. It's a joke to be honest.
No one remembers the 5800 fiasco???? How we all forget so soon. I will wait to see the numbers.
Also, the R520's number of pipelines will be determined by the speed of the G70. If the R520 running a higher clock speed with 24 pipelines can beat the G70, ATI will have no need to open the remaining 8 pipelines. That will be done in 6 months for the refresh. If it does not beat the G70, ATI will release the R520 with a full 32 pipelines running at a slower clock speed then a possible 24 pipeline part. And once again, in 6 months..refresh that part with a higher clock rate.
Yes, it looks like ATI should have the upper hand with this generation, however, i never ever show all my cards. And i dont think Nvidia nor ATI will either. Wait for the release of chips to really see.....
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Simple Simon
at 6:1 15/6/2005
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"Your whole projection on competition was solely based on a comsumers point of view."AJAX. That's the only point of view that matters in the market place! Without consumers, there would be No ATI or Nvidia. Competition only occurs when consumers fight over two or more rival products. In turn causes prices to drop. In turn causes said company to produce innovative designs and products. If not, that said company will go chapter 11. Think of it as the former Soviet Union.
We all know ATI or Nvidia or Matrox or 3D LABS only care about the bottom line. I am not saying ATI lost the "crown" or any other mention of speed issues for that matter. What i am saying is the dire need for competition in the marketplace. Without it, we would have limited buying choice and poor selection. I for one would never want to see Nvidia go under. Or ATI. What choices would we have then???? If you think those cpmpanies only care about the bottomline now, if they became a monopoly, you're in for a rude awakening.
The R520 was also taped out twice. The 2nd time because of issues, which most are corrected. This is why the July26 launch date. To finalize release plans and driver issues. The G80 should arrive the same exact time as the R600. And you can be sure that the G80 will be released also on 65nm if possible.
It is quite true that the G70 is nothing more then the NV40 with more pipelines and 2 more vertex shader units.
The Inquirer has this info today at their site. Nvidia wants to do what they did with the Geforce4 line with the 6800 series. Keep the same macharhitecture for 2 generations. Because it's a great design. However, ATI knowing this has decided to do what they did with the 9700pro. Create a totally new design. Which is good considering the 9700 design lasted 2-3 generations right into the 9800 series.
As for Cross Fire. I am quite sure it will end up faster, HOWEVER, we will not know the results until independant tests are revealed. Not just in benchmarks such as 3DM
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Anonymous
at 5:49 15/6/2005
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@AJAX:what's wrong with seeing this war from the consumers point of view? you cannot deny ati made a big mistake by trying to use the x800pro vs 6800gt. the price was the same and the 6800gt is way better. it took them half a year to release the x800xl which offered a greater price/performance ratio only for a few months, because the 6800gt's price fell down to the same level. Furthermore, ATI doesn't have a good card to beat the 6800 in mid-high end or the 6600gt in mid-end (from the marketing point of view), but those two market segments are the most important since not everybody needs a highend gpu
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Anonymous
at 17:8 14/6/2005
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ok, i think some people get worked up a little to much over this considering all they will be doing is spending there money to get ripped off as the next gen cards are probably designed and just waiting to be released as sales drop...i'd like to say this, i bought a 9800 pro when the new express cards were coming out, i got it quite cheap compared to when it come out, and i haven't played a single game that won't run on it, it even run doom3 nicely, okay maybe not on 480000xAA and 1600000000000xAF but it did run it 1024*768 2xAA 16xAF fine.
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Nex
at 15:39 14/6/2005
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AJAX below me...agreed, ATi>nvidia anyday
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AJAX
at 14:52 14/6/2005
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TO Simple SimonYour whole projection on competition was solely based on a comsumers point of view. Nvidia nor ATI cares for consumers. If either one of these companies had the ability to buy out each other they would. Now since the R520 is based on a 90nm process it is cheaper to produce, also it was tapped out ages ago so availability will be wide. ATI hasn't lost the crown and they have beat Nvidia with thier R300 based sultions for years now. CrossFire paired with the R520 will dominate for a long while unit Nvidia released SLI 2 or the G80. When that happens the R600 will be all over it. CrossFire has better performance and works with all games. ATI owns a larger market share. ATI>Nvidia
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Anonymous
at 14:0 14/6/2005
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thx for the translation:"wow, u are really determined to protect nvidia arent u? can u not accept the fact of the picture? everyone knows its real, and its not the 7800 ultra, and im sure it may get 8000+. the fact is though, u nvidiots cant accept the fact of the r520 scoring ove 10k without an sli/crossfire setup...learn to face the obvious...because otherwise u are going to be worshipping crappy cards..." 1: learn to read. do you see the term "7800 ultra" anywhere in the post you refer to?
2: all i said is that 3dmark05 scores may change with each driver version, that i don't belive ANYTHING about pc hardware unless there are similar reviews by several independant hardware magazines.
3: i use graphics cards to play games and not to use them as a part of my religion as i believe in things that last forever, things that are not outdated in short periods of time.
4: i don't care who builds my graphics cards as long as they deliver the performance and quality i expect from them, and until now, neither my gf 4 ti 4200, nor my 9800pro nor my current 6800gt has disappointed me. i respect all ati AND nvidia users and even fanboys, as long as they don't insult me because of my videocard choice.
5: i don't want the g70 to be better than r520 or vice versa. in fact, the best thing that can happen to us as end-users is that in one generation ATi and nVidia offer totally equal products, because they have to lower their prices to get their market share.
6. i'm quite aware that the r520 will MOST LIKELY outperform the g70, which means that nvidia will have to sell the 7800 cheaper than ati will sell the r520. if this theory turns out to be true, my next card will likely be a g70 coz of the price performance ratio. however if the theory doesn't apply, i will be the proud owner of an x900 series card. @ guy below me: thx for the translation.
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Anonymous
at 12:53 14/6/2005
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continued:this is not an exact translation, i just went to a translating site and had that do it, and it came out like this, just trying to save everyone some time by translating it for u
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Anonymous
at 12:51 14/6/2005
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the article is dated today, and it is using a 7800 gtxtranslation: Reveals the card G70 issue along with the nVIDIA newest generation approaching, the more and more many GeForce 7,800 GTX news is announced, today we have obtained two G70 test result truncation chart from the overseas website. Looked from the truncation chart that, in the 1024x768 resolution, tacitly approves under the establishment, the G70 score had achieved 7703, with the score which formerly divulges 7,800 extremely approaches. We certainly did not know how the test the platform does dispose, therefore this result basically may determine is the G70 real score. The next chart tests the Forceware driver establishment kneading board which the result uses, above already distinguished has revealed the card name was GeForce 7,800 GTX. Because G70 must issue in the next week, therefore we guessed the test sample already arrived at in some websites hands, same day can announce the result in the issue. That time, the G70 real performance and the characteristic can announce to the public.
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Anonymous
at 12:44 14/6/2005
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guy below me...wow, u are really determined to protect nvidia arent u? can u not accept the fact of the picture? everyone knows its real, and its not the 7800 ultra, and im sure it may get 8000+. the fact is though, u nvidiots cant accept the fact of the r520 scoring ove 10k without an sli/crossfire setup...learn to face the obvious...because otherwise u are going to be worshipping crappy cards...
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Anonymous
at 11:54 14/6/2005
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well, when 3dmark05 was new, ati x800xt's cards had a score of about 4500, but now they manage to break 6000. on the nvidia side it is quite similar, and most likely the g70 will score 8000+ (at least) with some newer drivers. furthermore, there is only one source that claims that score to be correct. to make it even less reliable, there is no test setup or driver version mentioned in the article as far as i can see (i might be wrong bcoz most of the characters are "?" for me as my browser doesnt support that language.. i have never heard of this site before so i don't know whether it favors ati or nvidia. for all we know, anybody eith some basic photoshop skills could have created those images. or even easier, edit the .ini file of a 6800 ultra and overclock it a bit...
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Anonymous
at 10:49 14/6/2005
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that was strange because i said something about that b4 about the 7800 score...but some asshole said something else? hmm...
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fanboy
at 9:32 14/6/2005
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here is nv7800 score in 05....
http://www.hardspell.com/news/showcont.asp?news_id=14305mm very close to the name :)
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Simple Simon
at 6:37 14/6/2005
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First off. I think the majority of readers on this forum need to take a simple basic course in economics 101. The dummy class. YOU NEED COMPETITION TO PREVENT A MONOPOLY.
If as you claim, "Goodbye Nvidia" happens. Then who would compete with ATI then? Would ATI be so adamenet on bringing out new technologies every generation? Would there be a need? The simple answer to that is NO. Nvidia keeps a fire under ATI's collective ass. And ATI keeps a fire under Nvidia's ass. This is what drives the market in a free enterprise system. If you actually think Nvidia will not have a comparable part to compete with this R600 and those phantom specs you listed(i will get into that later) you must be smoking something hallucinagenic. (Nvidia pun if you remember ;)
Every year since the release of ATI's Rage chip, Nvidia and ATI have gone head to head. It will continue. And for our sakes, the consumer...it better. Or you can imagine the steeper prices we will pay with one major monopoly company. Who wil stop them? We need the AMD's vs. Intel's. We need ATI vs. Nvidia. We need GM vs. Honda. etc. COMPETITION. Do you really think Intel would continue to push technology if AMD were not on the scene? Not a chance. AMD is the very reason Intel is not truely dominating the CPU market. The very same reason Nvidia does not dominate the GPU market because of ATI. It goes both ways between the two.
Those listed specs are totally fabricated. Why you may ask? Becaucse they are the same type of news lies you read about just before a new generation chip is released. 6 months ago specs were revealed about the R520 and the G70. (Not called those parts.) They were totally wrong. If you actually beleive everything you see on the internet, you need help.
Without Nvidia, we would have ATI that would fall back into the past. The days of the *GASP* may i say it, pre-Radeon days. Without ATI, we would have fall into the days of the 5800 era.
Just one more Rant. AJAX. How old are you? No disrepect.
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Realist
at 3:45 14/6/2005
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still 'arcuements' (shit I don't even know how to spell that) about this thing... but I wan't to see the results after the cards ARE READY not now while they are under construction... So until that better not to say ATI rules OR NVIDIA rules. I BELIVE FACTS!!!
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nvidia=faries&mermaids
at 2:14 14/6/2005
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oh lol
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Anonymous
at 22:53 13/6/2005
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sorry "nvidia=faries&mermaids" it was for the guy above you.;)
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Anonymous
at 20:25 13/6/2005
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AJAX
at 20:0 13/6/2005if its true...most likely not..(theyre still getting a development team last i heard) then....drool.......................................................................................................................................... i want... and agreed...byebye nvidia
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nvidia=faries&mermaids
at 20:14 13/6/2005
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AJAX
at 20:0 13/6/2005 it would have been "good bye" if someone (leaker) didn't warn them in advance! well atleast their shitting their pants, that alone gives me joy
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nvidia=faries&mermaids
at 20:9 13/6/2005
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wait Xbox360 has R500, now i'm really confused how you even linked my post with the R500 chip ROFL.
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AJAX
at 20:0 13/6/2005
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Going around the internet at this time leaked specs of R60065nm
64 Shader pipelines (Vec4+Scalar)
32 TMU's
32 ROPs
128 Shader Operations per Cycle
800MHz Core
102.4 billion shader ops/sec
512GFLOPs for the shaders
2 Billion triangles/sec
25.6 Gpixels/Gtexels/sec
256-bit 512MB 1.8GHz GDDR4 Memory
57.6 GB/sec Bandwidth (at 1.8GHz)
WGF2.0 Unified Shader Good bye Nvidia
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nvidia=faries&mermaids
at 19:58 13/6/2005
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Mr X
at 15:28 13/6/2005
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R520 = 32 Pipelines
R500 = 48 PIPLELINES!!!! R U BLIND OR JUST PLAIN STUPID!
"Right back at you numbnut. I said PS3.0 (pixel shader 3.0). See the 3 dot 0? I didn't mention playstation 3! (aka PSX3 or PS3). I don't even know what the hell your arguing. If you read my post, I said X800 lacks Pixel shader 3.0 (PS3.0) support. Then I recommended that the X900 series would be a better upgrade since it has PS3.0 for compatibility with unreal 3 engine based games which are coming soon. so WTF are you blabbing about?
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JustAGamer
at 16:43 13/6/2005
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you people are morons,
"they waited for nvida to come out first" Seriously c'mon now. It takes years of planning, investments and design to develope a GFX card. They can't just merely change the design in only a few short months to outbid thier competition. All they can do is tweak their design to make it run faster. Or maybe they open a pipeline that they previously closed due to stability issues. That is the best they can do.
They can only optimize a current design in a few months time. Not change the whole thing to better suite thier battle with the competition.
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Mr X
at 15:28 13/6/2005
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To nvidia=faries&mermaids"48-way parallel floating-point dynamically-scheduled shader pipelines- Unified shader architecture" R520 = 32 Pipelines
R500 = 48 PIPLELINES!!!! R U BLIND OR JUST PLAIN STUPID!
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Anonymous
at 14:8 13/6/2005
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guy below me...if that made any sense at all connecting the drivers to the card...then ok, but it didnt so...shutup now heres the thing ppl... If u want good performance, much better stability, better drivers, and best value, u go with ATi cards If u want to waste ur money, lag, get crappy framerates and waste MORE money, go with nvidia.
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Anonymous
at 13:54 13/6/2005
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"Actually it was origianlly called the 7800 because of its 3dmark 05 score, then thye changed it, so shutup and get UR facts straight"if u know anything about graphics cards and drivers u know that the 3dmark05 score goes up with every new driver version. or think about it that way: the 6800 ultar scores between 5000 and 6000. now note the fact that the g70 has 24 pipes, higher clock speeds and probably improved shader engines. so we can expect the g70 scores between 8000 and 10000 (in theory). but we will not know any actual scores before the launch of g70...
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Anonymous
at 13:45 13/6/2005
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the g70 is the core version. I dont know how nvidia works their cores, but with ati, most of their versions are worked off the same core or similar cores. the 9800 for example, the 9800, 9800 pro 128%256 are worked off of r350? is it, and the 9800xt off the 360 which is a modified version.
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Anonymous
at 13:42 13/6/2005
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MattIf u want gfx power, go for the 360, the r500 is faster than the rsx. and yeah, this gfx card is a smaller version of that they are putting in the ps3...very similar....ur so dumb
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Anonymous
at 13:41 13/6/2005
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Is the g70 they're talking about just the normal 7800? Cause there would be like an ultra version and stuff wouldnt there? So if they do go up to ultra then i guess geforce aint gonna be crap. If it is the normal 7800 then it is pretty powerful concidering it is not saying its an ultra or a gt.
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Double A
at 13:29 13/6/2005
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AJAX
at 13:8 12/6/2005Your attempt at sarcasm is getting anoying Ajax. The fact that I have a geForce 4 Ti 4200 doesnt mean i play scrable. It means i can enjoy the same games you do with a lower acceptable frame rate and still save the money u spend on decent cards to invest in other more important issues in my life. But then, i guess by making the sort of comments you do, it shows me that maybe there's nowhere else u can invest that money in ur life cuz u probably dont have one. So keep upgrading ur gfx components because right now it looks like it is the most important part of ur life.
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Matt
at 12:56 13/6/2005
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The one post says:"Is this the GPU that is going to be used in the PS3?" Hell-- no! I was in the E3 conference room the day they gave the tech demo! The card they are using in the PS3 has 300 million transistors: On one of the slides it said that is combinings all of the consoles, one Athlon FX-55 and a GeForce 6 in one chip-- the PS3 is the thing to buy if you want graphics. I think it will be like $500 though because of the amount of beauty I saw within the UE3 demo. I wish I could live inside the PS3 for some reason.
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Ben
at 12:22 13/6/2005
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For once i am very surprised. This has got to be the first time in Megagames history that there arent a load of people going nVida/ATI suck/rule. Pratically all the posts put forward good arguments. Congrats
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Anonymous
at 11:30 13/6/2005
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"What r u morons gonna do if people buy either ATI/NVIDIA cards?Did u shout at them say they r stupid,that gpu is crap or whatever? Still both r 2 great graphics cards and people that have any of R520/G70 will be laughing at people that did not have R520/G70! Continue this crappy issue as people like me who will buy either R520/G70 enjoying the great performance from both cards..END!" 1)If they buy ati, i clap, if they buy nvidia, im gonna laugh 2)yep 3)no only the r520 is a good card, and ill be laughing at anyone who has an nvidia card, as long as its a radeon, i dont care which card it is 4) ur an idiot if ur gonna buy a 7800, because not only is the r520 WAY more powerful, but nvidia is a very crappy company - not end
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Anonymous
at 11:22 13/6/2005
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They are bringing these chips out far too quickly for the normal consumer to keep up and soon people will start to think if F.E.Ar. runs on highest with AA and Af on high at 50 fps do i reallly need that card that will put it up by 50 fps and i could rather use the money for lets say morgage this is the only concern that i have my 9600Xt does this in hl on High and i dont need the 6800 or the 78000gtx as games dont require it so why bother
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Anonymous
at 10:36 13/6/2005
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wow first non first post comments. claps. you are improving
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Anonymous
at 10:22 13/6/2005
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OK Enough OKWhat r u morons gonna do if people buy either ATI/NVIDIA cards? Did u shout at them say they r stupid,that gpu is crap or whatever? Still both r 2 great graphics cards and people that have any of R520/G70 will be laughing at people that did not have R520/G70! Continue this crappy issue as people like me who will buy either R520/G70 enjoying the great performance from both cards..END!
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Anonymous
at 10:16 13/6/2005
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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/06/10/nvidia_ati_launch_dates/July will be the launch date for the R520
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Justin
at 10:10 13/6/2005
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If the G70 had 1024MB DDR3, 700Mhz Core,2000Mhz Mem, 64 Pipes and PS_4&VS_4...Ati's visual guality will still kick NVidia's asses
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Anonymous
at 8:17 13/6/2005
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ati is very smart, they dont pull 'nvidia's' trying to get their card out first and ruining it by working some advanced feature too fast (COUGH FX SERIES COUGH) they are smart enough to realize that if they wait longer and release better hardware thats more stable, they will be better off. I guarentee these new nvidia cards will have SOMETHING wrong because nvidia rushed the release or something
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Anonymous
at 8:14 13/6/2005
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"In terms of performance R500 is 4 or 5 times as powerfull as either R5200 or G70"first off im guessing u meant r520 or g70? the r500 is not going to be much faster at all. Take a look at this site which tells the r500 specs http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NzcxLDI= and they are euivielent with the x900 XT-PE except it is designed to work with specific hardware to get better performce and it has 10MB od EDRAM, other than that the two x900 and r500, are identical in performance. and by the time the xbox360 is released around this holiday, ati will have already presented the rehash of it with updated speeds and it will already be outdated.
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nvidia=faries&mermaids
at 7:57 13/6/2005
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Anonymous
at 6:38 13/6/2005you do realize that x800 doesn't support PS3.0, It would be a shame if you upgraded without the compatibility to play unreal 3 based games! buy a midrange x900 or something, just don't buy x800.
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Mr X
at 7:12 13/6/2005
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Dont confuse R520 with X360's R500 they are two comletley differnt chips, and R500 is owned by Microsoft not ATi, ATi just designed it.In terms of performance R500 is 4 or 5 times as powerfull as either R5200 or G70
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Anonymous
at 6:52 13/6/2005
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More of the same from the nvidia crowd, seems the fudo has progressed a few generations more then this...
Should equate to greater performance in the 360....
Just sayin...
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Anonymous
at 6:38 13/6/2005
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still love my 9800pro,man that x900 must be sweet,but gotta be big bucks which is good cause it will bring the x800 price down that will be my next card.woot.
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capatin dark meat
at 6:9 13/6/2005
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I like how ATI just stood back and waited for a while, so that Nvidia could push their crappy technology first. Than ATI designed better shit. ATI is f**king smart when it comes to this strategic planning stuff.
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Anonymous
at 5:55 13/6/2005
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And i always say people who make statements like that dont have a clue why people do anything!
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Anonymous
at 18:23 12/6/2005
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like i always say, nvidia is for ppl who know nothign about gfx cards, and buy the most advertised cards
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Anonymous
at 17:12 12/6/2005
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guy belowsame here man, i got a 9800 pro, and im getting an r520 basically just for unreal 3 games. and yeah, sli was a very crappy investment...the first thing is it's only the exact same card, same brand, and its really expensive. personally, if u pay that much to have 2 cards, its not worth it. Now even if this r520 is about 6-700 dollars, its still worth it because sli still costs more, plus the r520 (XT) is rumored about 3x as good as a single card, so 2x as good as sli (since sli doesnt even give 2x performce, more like 1.5-1.75max) ive nvr had a voodoo card, but i do know they were beastly cards, same with nvidias old cards, keyword 'old'. Im willing to spend money as long as its a good investment = ATi = r520 XT maybe PE
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nvidia = fairies and merm
at 16:51 12/6/2005
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Anonymous
at 16:23 12/6/2005voodoo 3 was a good card, I own one myself. I'm guessing you play CS or unreal tournament 99. I still play the latter myself. the newer games use at least PS2.0 (deus ex 2, far cry, half life 2, starwars republic commando, etc). I'm specifically interested in upgrading my ATI 9600pro for a fudo card so I can play games based on the upcoming unreal 3 engine. I'm pretty sure those who bought Nvidia's SLI system are kicking themselves, they probably bought it in advance for unreal3 but one ATI fudo card already slaps the crap out of SLI. investment loss right there. they should have just waited and stuck with their PS2.0 compliant cards they had lmao.
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Anonymous
at 16:23 12/6/2005
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So what I have a voodoo 3 and Im very happy with it.
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Anonymous
at 14:14 12/6/2005
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Anonymous
at 4:21 12/6/2005Actually it was origianlly called the 7800 because of its 3dmark 05 score, then thye changed it, so shutup and get UR facts straight
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AJAX
at 13:8 12/6/2005
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Shit man a Geforce 4 TI 4200, and you are satisfied! So you are telling everyone that you are not a gamer in other words. What do you play Scrabble for PC?
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Double A
at 12:39 12/6/2005
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All this is marketing bullshit is aimed at making people fall into it. And you guys are a good example of that. These "High-end" cards are a luxury few people can afford. I run on a geForce 4 ti 4200 o'ced and I'm more than satisfied with it.
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Anonymous
at 8:27 12/6/2005
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my next video card will be 1ghz!
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AJAX
at 6:33 12/6/2005
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Even if Nvidia release a 90nm version of their chip, it still won't be able to compete with the R520, simply because the R520 has 10 shader engines. It would requirer a whole design change. I like how ATI has just one GPU for their whole line, and just enable and disable features and clock speeds. Nvidia tried 90nm but had design challenges and decided to go 110nm.
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Anonymous
at 5:52 12/6/2005
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"Mhz doesnt compare clock for clock between chipsets. Christ compare a 5900fx and a 6800gt at the same clock speed and the 6800 will whip its arse (obviously)"Exactly. The huge performance gains the 6800gt gets over the 5900fx is from the increased pipelines the 6800gt has. 6800gt has 16. The 5900fx has 4(8) pipelines. This is why a R520 running 32 pipelines will run faster then a 24 pipeline part. Thats 8 more pipelines. The X800pro with 12 pipelines was no match for the 6800gt. And that was only a 4 pipeline difference. A full 8 will make a huge difference.
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Anonymous
at 5:47 12/6/2005
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"The point is that nVidia have have only released their specs for their lower range card, as its not stated to be Ultra, GT or what ever names they use for the higher end cards."Running on 110nm it will not be able to clock much higher then the specs shown here. Moreover, to clock it higher AND put 8 more pipelines on the card on 110nm will prove almost impossible. As for ATI having issues with 90nm process, the did. This is why it's taped out the 2nd time. Almost all the issues are corrected. What rumors are flying around regarding this are coming from Nvidia and Nvidia sources. Until all cards are out, then we will know for sure. But just by looking at the specs here. If those are true, the R520 will be faster all around. The only way Nvidia will comabt this is releasing the G70 on 90nm. By then also ATI will refresh the R520 part.
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Anonymous
at 4:21 12/6/2005
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@fanboy:7800 is called 7800 because it is nvidias new highend series, and as you should know, it is the seventh generation of geforce cards that explains "7". the 800 stands for high-end (600 for midrange, 200 for low range). think twice before typing...
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Mr X
at 4:9 12/6/2005
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2 things:1) nVidia has had some talks about changing the naming sytem of thier cards and that Ultra will no longer repesent the highest model. But letterings such as GFX and such would be used. Check net for more info... 2) I dont belive that next generation ATi card will be called X900 as we know the previouse generation was called 9000 and this generation was suppose to be 10000 but ATi chose to go with Roman Numerals to shorten the name, X stands for number 10 in roman. So if something as big as completly new core is being released they arent gonna add a 100's on the name but a 1,000. So the name could actually be Xi800 or Xi700, Xi or XI meaning 11.
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CaT
at 3:56 12/6/2005
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The point is that nVidia have have only released their specs for their lower range card, as its not stated to be Ultra, GT or what ever names they use for the higher end cards.Saying this, you can only realy compare it to the X900.
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fanboy
at 1:47 12/6/2005
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nv7800 stands for the point in 3dmark05...7800 mm only 600 points more than my 800xt.
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=918542
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Anonymous
at 0:49 12/6/2005
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Doesn't matter since only 95% of people here will buy it 5 years from now and the newest cards at that time would make these cards look like crap.
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Dogmaan
at 22:12 11/6/2005
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Mhz doesnt compare clock for clock between chipsets. Christ compare a 5900fx and a 6800gt at the same clock speed and the 6800 will whip its arse (obviously)
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Anonymous
at 21:54 11/6/2005
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So this is the gpu being used in the ps3 right?? holy shit the r500 beats the shit out this thing if the specs are right. I am man who doesn't care about company or hype i buy what i like and what has the most bang for its buch. I think it will be interesting to see how sony will explain how exactly its system can produce better graphics. The R500 is way ahead of this thing and it has the pipelines to use it's power 48 to 24, and yes 48 piplines are offical specs on the r500 for the xbox. And i don't see how ati is having trouble with its 32 pipe cards when they have already shipped the r500(the xbox 360 beta kits were sent to bungie and probaly everyone else.
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Anonymous
at 21:49 11/6/2005
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dont get me wrong, im an ATI fan, but why the hell are they holding back. I personally dont mind upgradeing a vid card for 800$ if id know i wouldnt have to do it every next year
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Phantom
at 20:55 11/6/2005
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In response to: Matt
at 18:19 11/6/2005 Damn good synonpsis. ATI's track record says they don't bullshit as much as NVidon't know. We'll see...
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Double A
at 20:47 11/6/2005
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It's always been the same story. nVidia goes first because they think they can win over customers. But the marketing they use is complete CRAP. ATI on the other hand has always been smart by not giving out raw information untill late in the card's building process. Now ATI knows what nVidia has to offer. ATI can work the weak points out and reinforce the strong ones in order to dominate over the market, like they did ever since the Fx and 9xxx series came to us. Final thoughts from a neutral point of view? ATI will have to meet a disaster in order to lose crown.
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Anonymous
at 20:18 11/6/2005
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the r520 is going to be so much better no doubt...boo nvidia
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CreamyCream
at 20:4 11/6/2005
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shit the Radeon X900 Pro beats the G70, i'm getting ATI this time around
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AJAX
at 20:2 11/6/2005
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Also the reason why the G70 didn't go 90nm is because Nvidia had trouble with it. ATI seems to be doing fine with it. Hopefully we can get our hands on these babies.
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AJAX
at 20:0 11/6/2005
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Looking at the specs ATI has killed Nvidia's G70. G70 is only a refresh where as ATI is releasing a whole new family of cards for all segments. ATI is the smart one to let Nvidia deal its card first. 10 shader engines WTF the R520 is a monster. Its not like ATI hasn't launched anything they have just introduce CrossFire, the G70 will only have a few week head start over the R520. However I am sure that the R520 will have better availablity since ATI has re-spinned it and tapped it out ages ago.
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Matt
at 18:27 11/6/2005
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To recap:We are SURE about the 7800 right now, so I cannot say "apples and oranges"... Just be sure to think about the fact that we do not know the impact with Unreal Engine 3 these cards are going to have-- we PC gamers may have to play a PS3 to enjoy the graphics because of the may-be shortcomings of the cards. All of nVidia's efforts went to the PS3-- so we may be in a shitty suprise by them as a PC user!
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Matt
at 18:19 11/6/2005
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Just to denote:
Right now as released in a leaked ATi release-- they are having major problems with the boards carrying the 32 pixel pipeline.
Suprising enough, I think that ATI will not be able to conquer that issue until the end of the last quarter (dec.). Performance wise, if ATI does what they say they will do:
32 pixels per clock
90nm Tech
They will throw nVidia into a heap of hell! If nVidia get's the SLI2 and 7800s into gear, they can pull off a single side performance miracle until the x9-- hits the market. Without a doubt, nVidia is about to pull an FX nostalgic marketing ploy!
They NEED to release another card as soon as the 7800 makes the public eye for they will not be crowned king of 3dMark05. ATi will take the cake-- IF and ONLY IF they can get that wonderful piece of equipment working, and also fully compatible with Crossfire. They may make me a beleiver this generation, but I want to see what happens. Just in case if they are using 32 PPL and 90nm as a bunch of loaded words to get some hype going. Just like nVidia did for the FX series. (that was a funny year) We will have to wait and see guys, this may be completly different! This is like PhillipMorris saying they are making the "healthier" cigerette. It is coming from their mouth, not the reviewers. Wait and see what the reviewers have to say when they get their hands on a full retail version of the card with stable drivers. =) -Matt
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Anonymous
at 18:9 11/6/2005
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Nvidia is plaing their cards right this time around. They are releasing this 24 pipe version card now, where as ATI will be releasing their cards in the fall. Meaning by then nvidia can release a 32 pipe solution or more. So not only will they have the 24 pipe solution card sales from over the summer, but then they will possibly have a better card pushed out right at ATI's release.
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Anonymous
at 17:11 11/6/2005
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compare the the 7800 with the X900 at the bottom only, they didnt say anything bout the GT or Ultra or anything for that matter
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Anonymous
at 16:43 11/6/2005
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Anonymous
at 15:6 11/6/2005 if the specs are true for the high-end ATI part, then it will beat the G70 outright.
8 more pipelines....600mhz clock speed. Thats 170mhz more speed. Clock speed is not much of a impact as seen with past gpu's. The 9700 vs. the 5800. The 5800 had more clock speed however, the 9700 pro was faster. The x800 vs. the 6800. The X800 has higher clock speeds however they are basically the same in most cases. However, with more pipelines as seen. Pipelines and vertex shaders make the difference. And the R520 if those specs are true, hold such a force over the G70 on 110nm. Just by the numbers. The R520 will be faster all around. I cannot see a 24 pipeline part coming close to a 32 pipeline part with 170mhz clock speed advantage.
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Anonymous
at 16:30 11/6/2005
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heh whadda ya know, ati wins again
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Anonymous
at 15:6 11/6/2005
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jc456- spec wise until now the G70 looks much weaker than the R520 but its all in the ALU power so we will have to wait and see..both will be very good though
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Anonymous
at 15:3 11/6/2005
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jc456 FIRST GEFORCE RULES
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