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at 9:9 2/8/2005
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So... Nvidia is introducing the new chipset GF7800... hahahahaha... i think it's worst, nvidia could not do this because ATI's preparing to launch their newest chipset that will CRUSH ANY NVIDIA CHIPSETS, like 7800 and others, HA! that is what i thought... good luck nvidia aHUAhuaHAaAhuaAUhaAHuAUhaUAHUAhu
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Anonymous
at 8:22 14/7/2005
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R600 -doesn't it look nice?
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omosa
at 16:0 10/7/2005
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G80 Specs revealed ,will be released in 18 months time =) 65nm
64 Shader pipelines (Vec4+Scalar)
32 TMU's
32 ROPs
128 Shader Operations per Cycle
900MHz Core
107.3 billion shader ops/sec
512GFLOPs for the shaders
2.5 Billion triangles/sec
27.6 Gpixels/Gtexels/sec
256-bit 512MB 1.8GHz GDDR4 Memory
59.6 GB/sec Bandwidth (at 1.8GHz)
WGF2.0 Unified Shader ATI is afraid..!!! so they post things like this to make little ati fan boys feel better about their small c**ks and slow or non existant cards ... ei R520~ where the hell it ?
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ZIppyDSMlee
at 8:15 1/7/2005
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I see more a diff in the way the drivers are built rather than whitch chipset is "bettter" thier pretty much the same mid range and below....its all I can afford anyway *L* I've had ATI for the past 2 years I wouldnt mind going Nivida if I can find a card to my likeing >>
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DRDEATH
at 10:13 21/6/2005
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http://www.hardspell.com/hard/showcont.asp?news_id=14372
Now all you fanboys from ATI and Nvidia can fight some more. The first REVIEW OF THE 7800. Have fun.......You will need a translator
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Anonymous
at 9:42 21/6/2005
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Where did that baby AJAX go to? Guess he's drinking mommies milk from his her droopy tities
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sam
at 7:10 21/6/2005
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http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/mainstream_battlefield_2_demo/page8.aspWith all the bickering on which chipset is better. Read the conclusion for this review for mid-range cards from ATI nd Nvidia. What you see here is a trade off on wins and losses. Both chipsets offer almost the same level of play and IQ. Please al the fanboys. Stop your crying.
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Anonymous
at 7:1 21/6/2005
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"When one thinks of leadership within the computer graphics industry, Intel isn’t a company that typically comes to mind. NVIDIA and ATI are usually the two companies that get all the attention, but in reality, they both are trailing Intel’s lead in the overall graphics market. According to JPR’s latest statistics, Intel currently holds more than 40% of the graphics market, ATI holding 25%, and NVIDIA holding about 22%.
The bottom line is that most people buying PC’s aren’t willing to pay $400 for graphics cards, especially when brand-new computers can easily be found under $500."These numbers are for AJAX who keeps blubbering about ATI's dominance in Marketshare. 3% difference in marketshare is actually very small. that's basically the High-End graphic card sales. Which is the smallest part of a GPU's market. One poor selling quarter and you can easily loose that small lead. As seen in the past! So plaeas. No more of this Marketshare crap for DESKTOP GPU's. We are not talking about Mobile............
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Mommy
at 6:53 21/6/2005
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Aonymous 8:13! I hate u! Itz between me and AJAX! non of ure business
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Mommy
at 6:53 21/6/2005
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Aonymous 8:13! i hate u
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Anonymous
at 5:57 21/6/2005
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"we said it would be most likely if ati got it first since theyve already moved to 90nm abnd nvidia hasnt. Im just saying i wouldnt be suprised IF ati got it first."Then you need to smack your freind AJAX in the face then. As for ATI being more likely, maybe you should go on the vgas line and place a bet then. Because with that logic Nvidia would have went to 90nm first because they went to 13nm first. See my point. YOU NEVER KNOW.
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Anonymous
at 5:52 21/6/2005
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"im going top say to u, like i did to my friend...FACTS are unbiased. FACTS are FACTS. u cant change numers on things."Yes and it would be nice for you and you're bum chum AJAX to post facts and not speculation and personal reguratated information. Just the 'FACTS' mamm.Just the 'FACTS'
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Anonymous
at 8:13 20/6/2005
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Mommy..How dare u be gay like that. Seriously u look like a retard, stop before u make a bigger fool of urself...
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Mommy
at 7:20 20/6/2005
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AJAX! how dare u talk to mom like dat. U are a bad boy. How many times i have to tell u to talk nicely to people? Mommy is ashamed of you
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Nick Savage
at 21:44 19/6/2005
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I was kinda hoping to close out that post at 21:26 before it went through. I can only say this... "shit".
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Nick Savage
at 21:29 19/6/2005
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when ur on a budget and not leechin off ur dads payroll then its an option
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Nick Savage
at 21:26 19/6/2005
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My mistake, the x300 and the x200 OOPS
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Anonymous
at 20:54 19/6/2005
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yeah, i would sacrifice a whole slot of ram to my gfx card. even if its nowhere near as fast, i can have a lot.
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Nick Savage
at 20:52 19/6/2005
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I'd like to see a x850 with something along the lines of turbo cache, ati has a version of it which's name i've forgotten and NEVER SEEN on any product. i would definitely support buying a 200 $ x850 with 128 or 64 on board ddr3 with like half a gig of my 2gb of ram... half a gigs like 50 bucks now so it'd be a reall real perk. anyone agree?
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Nex
at 20:19 19/6/2005
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so finch one, as i like to state to ppl like you who say 'get a life' or 'what dont u stop argueing about this nonsense'...what IS a 'life' that u think we should live?
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FINCH ONE
at 19:4 19/6/2005
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some of you people deserve less money and more of a l i f e
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FINCH ONE
at 19:4 19/6/2005
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some of you people deserve les money and more of a l i f e
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Nex
at 17:16 19/6/2005
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sry, guy below me, i didnt read ur post until now. All of our stuff we post are facts. I usually give sites to support it if its not a well known thing. and the 65nm thing, if u didnt see yet, we did not declare as a fact. we said it would be most likely if ati got it first since theyve already moved to 90nm abnd nvidia hasnt. Im just saying i wouldnt be suprised IF ati got it first. I never said ANYTHING about ati BEING first, just that it wouldnt be a SURPRISE if they did it first. If AJAX says it as a fact, thats not my problem.
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Nex
at 16:26 19/6/2005
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im going top say to u, like i did to my friend...FACTS are unbiased. FACTS are FACTS. u cant change numers on things.
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Anonymous
at 14:57 19/6/2005
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Typical MegaGames. Just a bunch of 12 year old fanboys insluting each other because they cannot get others to support their own biased views. Nothing has changed. Question for AJAX and Nex. You should take you're biased views regarding ATI products with no proof and post them at TechReport.com. I can tell you this, AJAX and Nex. Once you post your "speculations" and try to pass them on as facts, you will get slaughtered there. there are no 12 year olds on that site. They know their stuff. And it is monitored also. So stupid commentsa with no proof get blasted. This also goes for Nvidia fanboys that provide little proof. At least Simon and others use links and real facts to support their arguments. I might not agree with them, but at least they do not resort to insults and cursing. AJAX, go to Techreprot.com....
Actually, go to this link and post a comment with your biased opinions regarding PS3.0 support, how it's poor on the nv40 and 65nm advancements by ati before Nvidia without proof. Go there please and post. This should be good for a laugh.
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Anonymous
at 14:38 19/6/2005
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"nick, very nice, glad to hear some actually unbiased comments on stuff."Hmmmm. Maybe you should stop licking Nicks asshole and maybe start to be unbiased like him. Because you're an biased asshole like your homo mommy milk drinking twin, AJAX. Please nex, stop your crap. You're a ATI fanboy for life. When you can formulate a proper sentence and not forget your name, then people will read your posts. Otherwise you just go down as another fanboy who's 12 years old. Like AJAX.
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Sniperunz
at 14:26 19/6/2005
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sorry...mouse problem :P
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Sniperunz
at 14:25 19/6/2005
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i can't belive that!!! it's really strange to see so amazing spec when we all know the problem af ati to get 32 pipelines in the r520 spec! I'm an ati owner...since the 1st radeon board,than 8500,9700 pro and now x800 xt..i hope ati resolve soon this issues! Can u imagine???? 64...O.O 64 pipelines...ready before 2007... Like i say.. i cant' belive so! I hope in ATI and the new r520 will probably 2 time faster than a x800...and the rival Nvidia whit his g70 can't arrive the new ati chip!
forget the chimera of p.s.3 on 6xxx series..for now(more exactly for nvidia boards) this new instructions are too long...so they need more power to been processed fast...probably neiter new g70 and new r520 do that at an adeguate speed! So i say " NOW I PLAY A DREAM...LATER I CAN LIVE A DREAM!
ATI RULES
NVIDIA NO SUCKS (not correct)
We can say Nvidia...see how to do!Sorry 4 my bad english...i'm italian...but i hope i was clear! :D
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Sniperunz
at 14:23 19/6/2005
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i can't belive that!!! it's really strange to see so amazing spec when we all know the problem af ati to get 32 pipelines in the r520 spec! I'm an ati owner...since the 1st radeon board,than 8500,9700 pro and now x800 xt..i hope ati resolve soon this issues! Can u imagine???? 64...O.O 64 pipelines...ready before 2007... Like i say.. i cant' belive so! I hope in ATI and the new r520 will probably 2 time faster than a x800...and the rival Nvidia whit his g70 can't arrive the new ati chip!
forget the chimera of p.s.3 on 6xxx series..for now(more exactly for nvidia boards) this new instructions are too long...so they need more power to been processed fast...probably neiter new g70 and new r520 do that at an adeguate speed! So i say " NOW I PLAY A DREAM...LATER I CAN LIVE A DREAM!
ATI RULES
NVIDIA NO SUCKS (not correct)
We can say Nvidia...see how to do
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AJAX
at 11:9 19/6/2005
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Mommy
at 4:5 19/6/2005
AJAX! Have i fed u milk today?
No because you have aids don't you. You could have had me but Simple Simon's pooh d**k already been inside you. Hey Nex where is Simple Homo? Has he fled??
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Dave Orton
at 11:6 19/6/2005
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There are a lot of funny comments on this board but far calling 'Simple Simon', Simple Homo instead in the funniest thing I have come accross.
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Anonymous
at 8:54 19/6/2005
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AJAX IS A GAY
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Faggot
at 5:50 19/6/2005
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Yea i agree. the topic shud be closed. We'l wait till both the cards come out. Shall the best one win! U cant conclude a damn thing rite now. So just shaddup for now.
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Anonymous
at 5:13 19/6/2005
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wtf?
look since the card are not hear as yet we/you cant prove nothing also will ppl please calm down and use alternate language then swearing? e.g. use short comming like wtf.
and the person who did all those nvidia sucks needs to get a life.
come on guys dont you all agree we will buy whatever we can afford as we are not fanboys?
megagames should close this as too many insults are happening in here.
btw i got a 6600gt for $295 Australian delivered to my door.
yeah so what if im a aussie as long as im not a new zealander everything good.
nz= root sheep, old joke but funny on exchange students mwahhh....
anyone in aussie know of anywhere to get really cheap laptops besides online shopping e.g. ebay.
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Mommy
at 4:5 19/6/2005
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AJAX! Have i fed u milk today?
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Anonymous
at 2:3 19/6/2005
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This is all a load of crap. It doens't matter who has the best card in works.Until they are here we should just lay back a drewl of what might be but not argue about it, since we might be dead tomorrow.
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Nex
at 21:31 18/6/2005
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wow, even i have to say, whoever that was that posted all those 'nvidia sucks!' is REALLY imature.nick, very nice, glad to hear some actually unbiased comments on stuff.
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nick savage
at 20:54 18/6/2005
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I've literally read every single post... I've owned voodoo before nvidia, i've owned 3dfx before ati. some really great strides. I have taken this into consideration. the nforce motherboards have been a godsend. the cards on the otherhand have been a last resort since my last fx 5700LE, i've been sort of a nvidia fanboy, they had a superior market share, higher benchmarks for the time, but since i had a few bucks and bought an ati 9600xt, i have shed a tear of joy and have been workin with ati since, I own my
own business and have been recommending ati for a year now and have had a 0 complaint record regarding the ati support and hardware quality. I found that a nforce board and an ati card have working together exceptionally. ati i have noticed mad some f**king phenominal stand alone cards and the introduction of the crossfire will I feel win over a whole new crowd. (ps) ati motherboards really f**kin suck i give them in overall performance and expandability a 0, the crossfire is their only perk.
its 3:00am and im tired so bare with my rambling for there is truth and experience.
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at 20:26 18/6/2005
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at 20:25 18/6/2005
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Nex
at 18:42 18/6/2005
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to start with, i dotn even bother reading Uber Gerbil's posts anymore cause all he does is repeat the same insults over and over again..very old and 'childish'. and simple simon, i don't really like reading ur posts, cause u try and fit everything u can into a paragraph or two. look at ur posts, nobody likes to read a mountain high paragraph, then look up to see
"continued..." and another mountain high paragraph. Try using more paragraphs to seperate ideas, or summing it up a bit more. Im not saying anything about ur content, just that i don't really like reading like that..and if u want to talk to someone about supporting his posts with that kind of language maybe u should talk to uber gerbil. He's got soe pretty funny posts
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Uber Gerbil
at 18:20 18/6/2005
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one more thing you prick sucker ajax and nex. The same homos. I actually took the time to go to all those links people provided below. And you know what i found? THAT ALMOST EVERY f**kING GAME ON EVERY f**kING CARD IT RAN ON PLAYED THE f**kING GAME ALMOST THE SAME! JUST AS MANY PEOPLE ON THIS FORUM HAD SAID! Where the f**k do you get the notion that 5 fps second is STEELAR performance over on other card? You f**king tool. When you f**king prove that one card is truely superior to the other. Then give us a little f**king proof. Is that too hard to ask you gimp licker. I want to see this shitty ps3.0 STUFF IN PRINT! Or shitty chip design by Nvidia. IN PRINT! I want to see Nvidia not following your stupid ass ranting about not following microsofts bullshit shader specs for the NV40. IN PRINT! If not. SHUT THE f**k UP YOU LITTLE ASS RANT POSTER! YOU HAVE NO PROOF OF ANYTHING BUT YOUR LOVE FOR f**kING YOUR MOMMIES ASS. GIMP!
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Uber Gerbil
at 18:11 18/6/2005
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This is such bullshit. ajax and nex or whatever. Bunch of f**king homos if you ask me. Are blind f**king fanboys. If they could f**k a crossfire setup, they would be there. If they could suck off the 9700pro, they owuld be there. If they could lick a xt850 cards asshole, they would sell their sould to satan and lick the cards asshole four times and twice on sundays. YOU 2 LOSERS ARE FANBOYS! You make me and everyone on this forum sick to their stomachs! Give me rolaids and pepto, i am gonna vomit at you 2 pricks. Losers you both are. One asshole who fogets his name when posting, and the other who cannot prove his bitching and ranting. f**king loser must have failed school. Can you imagine what the d**k head does for essay's?
Teacher: d**k head Ajax? Where are your endnotes for your research essay?"
Ajax: "Duh? You need EndNotes tfor a essay? For what? Duh? To prove things? Oh no...what i say is truth. I need not to prove it. I did not have sex with her......"f**kING LOSER AJAX AND NEX!!!!! Shoot yourslef please. Use a high caliber weapon too. That way you will do the job as you're not doing it here. Prick
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Anonymous
at 18:10 18/6/2005
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so want to know what drivers are like?
well personally i dont know as i i dont use the standard drivers from ati or nvidia i use omega drivers as they are kick arse.
as well as that he fixes problems nvidia hasnt.
im know this every time ati or nvidia usually come out with a new driver it f**ks up at least one of my games, omega when he reallease it only 1 and i mean 1 game stuffs up and then it works again after his next realease which is usally very quick if a game dont work.
and simple simon mate i believe what your saying so like how bout telling the boys upstairs to make cars that truly compete?
i currently have a r9220se it sucks majorly as geforce 3 ti kills it.
so i have just bought a nv 6600gt
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Simple simon
at 17:58 18/6/2005
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...continued...
And i wil always say this. Not one person can say the NV40 is better then the R420 or the R420 is better then the NV40. They are offering similar gaming performance. Even DRDEATH quotes Hardocp.com regarding this. THAT IS THE KIND OF PROOF THAT YOU NEED TO BACK YOUR STATEMENTS. NOT SPECULATION. ANYONE CAN MAKE UP FACTS. FACTS BECOME REALITY WHEN YOU CAN SUPPORT THEM WITH OUTSIDE SOURCES! AJAX, you never can. Except for the obvious points.
And i don't really care if people don't believe if i work for ATI. Why, because i work there i should be a blind fanboy like AJAX? I can look beyond working for the company and see what ATI cards offer over Nvidia cards and what Nvidia cards offer over ATI cards.
Last point AJAX. Tell me what the R420 offers over the NV40 and then tell me what the NV40 offers over the R420. Speed performance is too close to make a call. 1-10 fps means nothing. What are the differences.
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Simple simon
at 17:53 18/6/2005
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It's funny how AJAX uses insults and vulgar language to try and support his views. That, in itself is childish. Unlike you AJAX, i can look at both sides of a discussion. Strengths the R420 offers and the strengths the NV40 offers. You cannot. You make claims such as nvidia's poor PS3.0 controller and poor HDR implementation. Compared to what as ATI does not have a part that supports that feature?? I favour both products. I have owned more ATI cards then you will ever own. I run a XT850PE reference card in my main pc box. DO YOU KNOW WHAT A REFERENCE CARD IS AJAX?
I put down no GPU as i have owned many. From Matrox to ATI to Nvidia AND EVEN 3dfx. Unlike your 12 year old rants, you try and make points that the NV40 has inefficent macarhetecture. You once again, offer no proof. I have yet to see on any single hardware site from Techreport.com,HardOCP.COM, GamersDepot.com,Theinquirer.net,Beyond3d.com say the NV40 chipset is flawed in anyway minus the broken MPEG4 encoding they promised users for the 6800 chips. Only it works for the 6600 chips. That is a scam. And i have stated that. Yet you, make these claims while professionals say the EXACT opposite of you. This is why i have issue with you. If you want to make a statement for people to belive. Use NORMAL language and not gutter crap and PROVE YOUR ARGUEMENTS WITH FACTS.
Both have their strengths..weaknesses. You make claims regarding driver support for Nvidia that they are poor for older cards. Yet, offer ZERO proof to back your claims? PROVE IT!!!Nvidia was the first gpu company to bring out Unified driver support. Back in the geforce 1 days. Look that up. ATI followed almost 5 years later. You make speculations. No proof. "ATI is further ahead creating 65nm chips then Nvidia..."
That's speculation as no one knows this unless you work in R&D. If not. PROVE IT!!!!!!
As for me putting down ATI. I do not. I show both the R420 it's strengths and weaknesses. YThe same for the NV40. And i wil always say this. Not
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Anonymous
at 14:2 18/6/2005
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scriewy : no no no, this is the future !
262144 piplines
1800mhz core x6-8 GPU's
15nm
645 GB/sec Bandwidth 1.8ghz x22 banks
11.76 TFLOPS
544 TMU's
576 ROP's
36 Billion triangles/sec
435.2 Gpixels/Gtexels/sec
DO u F*Cking know what we can do with this system ?! huh ! we can proces 3.5 times more in real time then what we saw in jurasic park 2 !
but this is like in 2019/20
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Anonymous
at 12:40 18/6/2005
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no, r520 and athlon 64 x2 4800+thats a dream machine, and of course a few gigs of ram
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Anonymous
at 9:30 18/6/2005
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R520 and AMD FX 55IT IS A DREAM MACHINE MACHINE!
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Anonymous
at 9:30 18/6/2005
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actually g70 is 2x over 6800ultra, r520 is 3x over x800xt
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Anonymous
at 9:22 18/6/2005
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IF ANOTHER 2X PERFORMANCE LEAP IS A REALITY(from 6800 to 7800/x850 to r520)MAYBE the middle stream cards the600 series will beat the hell out of x850/6800
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Nex
at 7:13 18/6/2005
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no posts like that aren't trying to be nice, because all simple simon is trying to say is that we're the same person, which we're not, and trying to be a huge fag about it. On the other hand, he said something nice to me because im not being a fag like that to him. Since i agree with most the stuff, ppl are assuming we are the same ppl. He tries to be nice to me and ppl can't accept the fact that we're 2 different ppl.
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nout
at 1:54 18/6/2005
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"Simple Simon you're a fag. Go jerk off to kiddy porn. You argue more than a f**king women. All the shit you say does not make any sense. You work for ATI, sure buddy the desk in you basement with the ATI sign on in doesn't mean you work for ATI, haha f**king homo. I'll give a job if you want one, a nice on etoo just ask your mother. Stop ass posting you child molester."@nex: that is what you call "being nice"?? @ajax: simon makes good points, you make good points. you like ati better, simon nvidia (that's just my impression, don't get me wrong simon). the greatest difference between you two is the language. words like "moron" etc make you look like a stupid retarded fanboy, and even if what you say was 100% true (which it certainly isn't because a some of your arguments are based on your own speculations) only the other ati fanboys would believe you, but they either don't know what a shader is, or they already know as much as you do. simon however post a lot of true things (not all, just like you), but at least, his language is always kind. if you wouldn't argue like a twelve year old (which i think/hope you are not)
your post would be much more believable and convincing. think about it
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Anonymous
at 23:36 17/6/2005
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im anyonymous at 4:41 and well im getting a 6600gt as of my shitty budget.
simon want a place to see prices in aussie?
www.altech.com.au, www.scorptec.com.au
there you are.
i wouldnt mind having a plant as close as india that way shipping costs would be lower.
and simon mate if you really are a ati bloke no saying your not why dont you post that u like ati insstead of nvidia since of the fact that if ati found out u were downplaying there products u would get into trouble most likely.
also u could always put a link on the ati site proving your ati status.
and the r600 specs are bullshit until the r520 specs come out.
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Anonymous
at 19:14 17/6/2005
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Simple Homo!!!Ask you mother about the specifications of my c**k
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Captian Dark Meat
at 19:10 17/6/2005
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AJAX
at 19:8 17/6/2005
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Simple Simon you're a fag. Go jerk off to kiddy porn. You argue more than a f**king women. All the shit you say does not make any sense. You work for ATI, sure buddy the desk in you basement with the ATI sign on in doesn't mean you work for ATI, haha f**king homo. I'll give a job if you want one, a nice on etoo just ask your mother. Stop ass posting you child molester.
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Anonymous
at 13:17 17/6/2005
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wow! look at those made up specs! go look up g80 specs on google and theres nothing! its amazing what someone can do with copy/paste huh?i can do it too watch... UPDATE TO R600 SPECS! 55nm
192 Shader pipelines (Vec4+Scalar)
48 TMU's
42 ROPs
512 Shader Operations per Cycle
1.3GHz Core
4096 billion shader ops/sec
3TFLOPs for the shaders
8 Billion triangles/sec
62.7 Gpixels/Gtexels/sec
1024-bit 512MB 1.8GHz GDDR4 Memory
79.4 GB/sec Bandwidth (at 1.8GHz)
WGF2.0 Unified Shader see that was so easy
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Anonymous
at 12:56 17/6/2005
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f**k the r600 piece of crap. I want that card!!!!! Wow look at those specs!
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Anonymous
at 12:28 17/6/2005
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New updated specs on the G80:97.2 Gpixels/Gtexels/sec
128 SHADER PIPLEINES
65NM
380 Shader Operations per Cycle
512 bit memory interface
10 Billion triangles/sec
188.9 billion shader ops/sec
512GFLOPs for the shaders
1000MHz Core
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Simple Simon
at 11:56 17/6/2005
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Look. It's not that AJAX is making gay comments. It's only that he is making comments with a biased point of view. Compare the two cards, 6800Ultra and the XT850PE for their strengths and weaknesses. When your finished doing that(if of course you do so in a unbiased fashion) what you will find is both gpu's stack up well with each other. One card plays certain games faster, while the other plays other games faster. The then differences between those games are anywhere from 1 frame per second to 10 frams per second. Something that you can never notice with the human eye. Especially when those games are running at 50 fps or greater. At this point it comes down to price/performance. The XT850PE retails close to $800CDN while the 6800Ultra is close to $650-$699. Both cards are excellant. Both cards offer similar performance. This fanboy nonsense has to stop. It's pathetic
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Anonymous
at 11:37 17/6/2005
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TO MR AJAX DA AZZHOLEStop it U GAY(AJAX)-ATI-PRO FANBOY! U r making such GAY comments without looking at FACTS! I bet ur mother n father are GAYS too,right coz u r a compete GAYHOLE! U r here to promote ur AZZ MR GAY AJAX
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Anonymous
at 11:37 17/6/2005
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TO MR AJAX DA AZZHOLEStop it U GAY(AJAX)-ATI-PRO FANBOY! U r making such GAY comments without looking at FACTS! I bet ur mother n father are GAYS too,right coz u r a compete GAYHOLE!
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Anonymous
at 11:34 17/6/2005
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Yes but do not say that too loud as the many fanboys like Ajax and Nex will cry in their milk.
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Anonymous
at 11:29 17/6/2005
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This is bullshit rumors from both companiesI would like to see a new gpu company to beat the hell of ATI and NVIDIA coz ENOUGH IS ENOUGH ATI/NVIDIA!
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Anonymous
at 11:27 17/6/2005
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I rememeber. They were not correct. The same wasy the specs for the R420 were not correct when the 9800XT was released. It's called P.R. spin by ATI and Nvidia. They both pull this shit. They are both liars to the end. They want your money and will do anything to get it. If you belive otherwise, your stupid
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Anonymous
at 11:23 17/6/2005
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"i think the specs for the G80 re 100% true. Just as the R600 specs are 100% true. The internet does not lie. The G80 will destroy the R600."believe what you want, but you will be disappointed. anyone remember the early nv40 specs when nv30 was new?
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Anonymous
at 11:14 17/6/2005
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Anonymous
at 9:54 17/6/2005lmao, way to copy paste the r600 specs and change some numbers u retard
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Anonymous
at 10:31 17/6/2005
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i think the specs for the G80 re 100% true. Just as the R600 specs are 100% true. The internet does not lie. The G80 will destroy the R600.
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Anonymous
at 10:28 17/6/2005
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these specs are just as stupid as the r600. both g70 and r520 are not even launched, we have no confirmed benchmark for either of them yet (there is ONE article with an 3dmark score for the g70 WITHOUT information about the system it ran or the driver version used). but instead of waiting for these two cards to launch, you already believe anything nv and ati want you to believe (these specs are what both companies WANT to achive, yet they have to find a way HOW, otherwise, they would release those cards asap)wait for the first real world g70/r520 benchmarks (NOT 3dmark), and if they suit you, buy one of those. when those two are getting too slow, think about r600/g80. lol @ the flame war btw
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Anonymous
at 10:5 17/6/2005
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It even kills the R600 in everything. On paper at least. ATI better do something fast.
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Sam
at 10:3 17/6/2005
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Holy f**k that kills the R520! Destroys it. I knew Nvidia had something hiding. Holy crap. Truely bye bye ATI. They baited ATI had screwed them. SOOO LONG!
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Anonymous
at 9:54 17/6/2005
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Just released specs on the G80 found at tech geek and register.com:65nm
64 Shader pipelines
40 TMU's
40 ROPs
320 Shader Operations per Cycle
900MHz Core
188.9 billion shader ops/sec
512GFLOPs for the shaders
4 Billion triangles/sec
45.2 Gpixels/Gtexels/sec
256-bit 512MB 1.8GHz GDDR4 Memory
77.2 GB/sec Bandwidth (at 1.8GHz)
WGF2.0 Unified Shader Bye Bye ATI.
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Uber Gerbil
at 9:41 17/6/2005
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Still waiting for schizo to come out. Or should i say AJAX. The ATI fanboy. God i hate you fanboys. Nvidia or ATI alike. Bunch of sods you are. I am figuring AJAX should make himself known real soon. lol.
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Simple Simon
at 9:41 17/6/2005
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This is becoming too much now. I find this totally funny, however we are way off topic and the insults are getting brutal. Funny no less, but brutal. I disagree with AJAX or whoever he is, but i feel intelligent discussions can be wavered instead of this. He has his views, i have mine. I just try and get across the notion that people should not be fanboys and over look facts. But there is no need to insult. This has made me laugh though at work....lol.
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soul reaver
at 9:30 17/6/2005
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Nex
at 9:17 17/6/2005
Or maybe he's just hiding in one of his many personalities as Uber Gerbil is saying. This is a hoot! He's amking a complete ass of you guys..Or should i say YOU. LMFAO.
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Uber Gerbil
at 9:28 17/6/2005
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You forget your name because your a DUMBASS. Plain and simple. Actually take a sample from my name and call yourslef, UBER DUMBASS.
As for "AJAX" We will call him a different person just to satisfy your impending anersim and your desire to carry on with this facade. AJAX is a DUMBASS also. For the simple fact that he does not have the balls to post his own knowledge and not plagerising other peoples posts. AJAX is the master of the "cut and Paste" What i find intriging is the fact that "Nex" the SEPEARTE person lol, seems to be getting worse and worse at spelling and grammer. With every post, your spelling becomes more atrocious. So much so, that it seems you are going out of your way to differenciate yourself between AJAX and Nex. This is what i call a calssic case of schizophrenia. No. Correction. DUMBASS. Please. For the both of you. For the sake of all that is right in this world, please shoot yourself with a high caliber weapon and save us all here at Megagames your lies and plagerism posts.
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Nex
at 9:17 17/6/2005
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and about AJAX, did u ever come to think theres a time of the day where ppl actually sleep? go to work? just because he hasnt posted in a while and i have been, doesnt mean anything. Right now, he can be in bed or at work u dumbasses. Try that thing i told u before if u remember what it was. oh yeah u dont, ill remind u...'thinking'
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Nex
at 9:14 17/6/2005
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how come AJAX has nvr forgot to put his name?if i am ajax then why do i post in other thread under Nex? because u are the moron, just because some retard says we are the same perosn, u and everyone else are dumb enough to believe it. If u try a thing called 'thinking' ocne, u might figure something out. and y do i forget my name? because i am so used to posting under anonymous. it was only recently i started to put a name. after posting about 10000 times without a name, u dont really think of putting one in, its very easy to forget.
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Urber Gerbil
at 9:6 17/6/2005
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AJAX...AJAX...oh AJAX???? Come out, come out from whatever rock you're hiding under? Opps. I forogt...
Nex...Nex..Oh Nex??? Come out, Come out from your mommies titty...
Easy miscalculation. They are the same MORONS.
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Uber Gerbil
at 9:1 17/6/2005
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You forgot your name because you're a DUMBASS as i have stated! DUMBASS! No and you are greatly mistaken. It's not people like me who get shot. It's MORONS like you THAT DO. Stupid cry babies that spew utter nonsense just so they can hear themselves speak or see there names in print. I know more about things then you will ever fathom you dumbass. Let me guess. Right after this post, AJAX will come on and support you? Right? LOSER. Posting under different names. PATHETIC FOOL.
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Nex
at 8:52 17/6/2005
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Uber Gerbil
at 8:47 17/6/2005Well, it's ppl like u int his world that get shot. The ones who are inconciderate of each other. The kind of crap u ppl say is usually ignored and hated, because nobody wants to see crap like that. So why don't u leave this site, and mind ur own damn buisiness. U had no right to come in and say something like that because u dont know anything at all. If u bothered to read any of my posts, at least half of it brought new points, not just re-instances of what everyone else said. And judjing by the way u talk, everyone can see ur very immature...so im putting him somewhere around the age of 8-10. and if he's not, then he ACTS like he's 8-10.
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Nex
at 8:48 17/6/2005
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i hate when i forget my name...again...
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Uber Gerbil
at 8:47 17/6/2005
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no..i assume you are nex. lmfao. You just forgot to put that in. Or are you Nex..anonymous..ajax..simon..bill...ralph...tim...lol. You're a f**king loser buddy. Whoever you are and i dont f**king care because your a gimp, YOU have yet toshow anything but regurgatate facts posted by others. You 12 year old goof. Seems the only people here not fools are DRDEATH and a few others. Simon at least does not call people dumbass and shit. I will though. YOURE A DUMBASS AJAX...NEX..ANONYMOUS. WHOEVER YOU f**kING ARE. GOOF! Get a girlfroend and stop using your hands and your mothers pussy.
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Anonymous
at 8:36 17/6/2005
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ok, for all of u losers, lets get this straightI am NOT the same person as AJAX. U say all of our posts are close tgether? if u looks through all of them, only about 2-3 of them max are anywhere close to each other. and just by the way i type, write sentences and stuff, is clearly different than the way he writes them. If our posts are next to each other, try looking at the times. just cause im the next one to post, if u look, it may be 2-3 ours after him. You guys need to stop looking at "their posting about the same things" and start looking at "wow, their posts sound nothing alike at all the say they everything". Sure, we post a lot of the same info, mainly because i agree with him and im trying to prove to u dumb*sses that it makes more sense than the crap u give. and ok, if u guys can think of any way to prove we're not the same ppl, try it. ill be glad to cooperate with that.
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DRDEATH
at 6:52 17/6/2005
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Just wanted to stirr the pot a bit! In no way i am getting into this flame war. Seen too many on this forum. LOL. Good to be back though, even if it's still full of ATI and Nvidia fanboys. Man times have never changed. You would figure people would grow up. Guess not. lol ;)
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DRDEATH
at 6:48 17/6/2005
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...break...
Even now, Crossfire cannot support cards such as X700PRO but will work with X800 or faster cards. We stubborn consumers all buy ATX motherboards because we like five PCI slots and no one wants micro ATX boards as they only have three slots. People like the feeling that they might upgrade their machines in future. Stubborn beggars!
ATI is doing better in the high end market and X850XT even PE were selling better than 6800 Ultra as Nvidia sold more GTs, but that's another story all together. Next week X850XT PE will get tough fast competitor called Geforce 7800GTX which NVDA hopes will severely dent ATI's market but in a few weeks we hope to see the R520 little "Fudo" chip to compete with 7800GTX or even Ultra.
What ATI needs is called RV530, its next generation mainstream product based on a R520 derived core, supporting shaders 3.0 and all the other neat stuff. This stuff should come in September we heard but until then Nvidia might be in a much better position there.
Pesky sales people! Have they never heard of press training!"
-Theinquirer.net-
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DRDEATH
at 6:46 17/6/2005
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"Geforce 6600GT rules the mainstream
X700PRO does not stand an earthly
By Fuad Abazovic: Friday 17 June 2005, 08:38
WE DID SOMETHING that Nvidia and ATI spinners always fear we'd do. We talked to the sales people and tried to learn what you can actually sell on the market. All the X850, 6800 and now 7800GTX cards are just a few per cent of the market and we still make so much noise about them.
The girls and boys who make their living from selling these cards have whispered to us in famous pub The Case is Altered that both 6600GT AGP and 6600PCIe just rule the mainstream sub $200 market. ATI is selling its cards well, but Nvidia is doing a better job. It took ages for ATI to reduce the prices and to make enough 9800PRO cards available to fight the 6600 GT AGP part and by then Nvidia had already sold shedloads of its own products. ATI dropped the prices of 9800PRO and made it competitive but it should have done this much earlier than it actually did and people were hard to convince to buy those cards as they were based on an older marchitecture.
People didn't react well to the Radeon 9600XT either, which were selling like crazy with Half Life 2 vouchers last year. ATI played the so called "sandwich" strategy and tried to have the 6600GT price sandwiched between 9800PRO and 9600XT but that didn’t help much and the sales girls and boys were tearing their hair out in lumps.
On the PCIe side, the sales people claimed that ATI confused market with the "ghost" X700XT card that was never released then got X700PRO which was quite late and again gave Nvidia some time to sell many 6600GTs. ATI's biggest problem was that 6600GT was actually faster in some of the tests and a made lot of people decide to risk it for a frisket. On the PCIe side, Nvidia had a big helper called SLI as many people bought a SLI board and would like to upgrade with second 6600GT in the future, something that ATI could not offer till recently.
Even now, Crossfire cannot support cards such as
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Anonymous
at 6:36 17/6/2005
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http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=24008This is for all the fanboys. This is why competition is a good thing! Please take note Ajax Nex simon and whoever. This article is not fact, but maybe just a glimpse into waht can happen! Looks like ATI and Nvidia have something up their sleeves. As usual. lol.
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Simple Simon
at 6:25 17/6/2005
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Anonymous
at 4:41 17/6/2005 ATI will if anything build a plant in the FarEast or India before they look out your way. Or any other way for that matter. lol. Your currency and labour costs are basically the same here in Canada. No savings for them! GPU retail costs are insane abroad. Even here in Toronto. The XT850PE costs anywhere from $750+CND. If you can even find one! Stick with the XL800XL. Better deal. Lot's cheaper and still is 16 pipelines. I have no idea the cost in Aussie land. But it will be less then the almost non-existent XT850PE....
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Simple Simon
at 6:13 17/6/2005
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CreamyCream
at 6:2 17/6/2005 of course i do. Who does not? What i was saying to Ajax in his respons was his claim that Nvidia neve followed MS shader protocol because they never supported Unified shaders."Nvidia has never followed MS code path. The whole unified shader thing proves it." That was his statement. If that were true then every single GPU prior to the release of the R520 does not follow MS shader protocol by his own reasoning!!! That's my point. We all know that is false. If not, then why was the Geforce1 right through 4 more effecient and faster then ATI cards prior to the release of the 9700pro if Nvidia NEVER EVER followed MS standards and ATI always did...as AJAX claims? Ajax rambles on with this shader protocol stuff. It ws only the FX line that Nvidia never did. At least closley. The reason FX cards have piss poor PS2.0 performance...
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Simple Simon
at 6:4 17/6/2005
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http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/battlefield_2_demo_performance/page4.aspBattlefield 2 Performance 1280x1024x32
Card Min FPS Max FPS
GeForce 6800 Ultra min: 67 max: 84
GeForce 6800 GT min: 60 max: 76
RADEON X850 XT PE min: 72 max: 95
RADEON X800 XL min: 58 max: 75
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/battlefield_2_demo_performance/page7.asp "Based on our testing, it looks like the X850 XT PE is a little more efficient than the GeForce 6800 Ultra at handling AA, while the 6800 Ultra is more resourceful than the X850 XT when it comes to AF.Since the GeForce 6800 GT only trails the 6800 Ultra by 50MHz in core and memory clock speeds, it was able to put up a strong fight against the X800 XL, taking the overall performance crown, but again, ATI’s AA efficiency did keep things close in 4xAA testing. The GeForce 6800 GT ultimately pulled away once 4xAA/8xAF was enabled though.
Of course, keep in mind that we’re testing with a fairly small map in Battle of Oman, so we’ll be curious to see how the game performs on larger 64-player maps. We also hope EA/DICE will implement some form of demo recording functionality, so we can record gameplay demos with more action on the screen. Right now we’re able to provide a rough look at early Battlefield 2 performance, and so far it looks pretty good for both ATI and NVIDIA users alike, just make sure to use the latest drivers for optimal results." As some have said, and i will say it again. This generation of cards are too close to call. We are talking about minimal frames per second speed differences here. The fact that the 6800 Ultra that costs less ($749CND)and runs a 120 to 140 MHZ slower can even come this close 10 FPS the most and wins in some of the tests by the same margin, proves some of my points. Both the R420 and NV40 are essentially the same. No card TRUMPS the other in game performance.
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CreamyCream
at 6:2 17/6/2005
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Simple simon you have mentioned R300 and R420 too many times, if indeed you do work for ATI you should know that unified shaders are a part of long horn specification.
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to those who care
at 5:40 17/6/2005
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http://techreport.com/reviews/2004q4/radeon-x850xt/index.x?pg=4http://www.doomedpc.com/drupal-4.5.2//?q=node/29 http://www.doomedpc.com/drupal-4.5.2//?q=node/31 http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2004q4/radeon-x850xt/index.x?pg=4 http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2004q4/radeon-x850xt/index.x?pg=8 http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NzYwLDM= http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NzYwLDc= http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NzYwLDY= http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NzYwLDg= I will jump into the fry here. I want to piss some people off! simon and nex and ajax cant have all the fun. lollol.
Doom3 runs faster on Nvidia chips. So much so that the 6800GT runs just as fast as the $500+ XT850 card.
HL2 runs faster on ATI chips. Now look at all those links. What you see here is the XT850 trading blows with the $100 less 6800Ultra. When the XT850 wins, it only wims by 1-10 fps. You will never notice this with the human eye. When Nvidia wins, it's also only by 1-10 Fps. Both cards are even. So all of you guys need to shut up. In a polite way...
Now read the last portion of this link: "Overall, what we see here is games going back and forth. Some games favor the ATI RADEON X850 XT-PE, while others favor the BFGTech GeForce 6800 Ultra OC. Overall, out of the games we tested, most favor the ATI RADEON X850 XT-PE. However, one game which could be an indication of what the future holds shows a clear advantage for the GeForce 6800 Ultra, this game is of course Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory. It will be interesting to see how other future titles deal with the different shader modes and capabilities of video cards." Either card is a good buy. You might get f**ked if more games are coded the way splinter cell is though if you own a x800 card. But who knows. Otherwise. This generation is the same if you ask me.
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Anonymous
at 5:17 17/6/2005
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Nex
at 19:36 16/6/2005 please i fully agree with Simon here. You both, ajax and you are the same assholes. It's not being nice, it's being f**king stupid that you are. Get a life.
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Anonymous
at 4:46 17/6/2005
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Anonymous
at 4:41 17/6/2005
why dont you shut up.
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Anonymous
at 4:44 17/6/2005
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why cant ati or nvidia make a cheap card?
very cheap but high performance i bet they could do it but they are money grabbers.
ati=brillant
nvidia= cheap, get what you pay for.
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Anonymous
at 4:41 17/6/2005
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cough cough i think this has gone on for long enough all of you shut the f**k up.
this is either true or fake but who gives a shit when it will be out in like a year anyway and simple simon if you do work for ATI then tell me why they wont pur a facility in good old aussie land to create more jobs and lower the f**king prices here.
if you say i am <16,17,18+ you are wrong. lol.
maybe i am a teenager but it does not mean i do not know anything as actuall i am lets say the best in my region for fixing pc's and all my customers are reccomending my services as a computer techie, webmaster (rarely i hate that crap), networking (love it), etc.
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Anonymous
at 22:31 16/6/2005
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that was a pretty gay comment. at least what i said was real. if u bothered to lookup that site i gave, u would have actually seen what i said was true. H.264 decoding is a video playback feature that ati i adding the r520 series
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Nvidian
at 21:36 16/6/2005
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nono, really ATI cards supports floppydisks and jumpdrives.http://www.donttalksh1t.com/news/
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Nex
at 19:38 16/6/2005
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no guys, when he says it supports blu-ray, i think he's talking about H.264 decoding and video playbackhttp://www.cdfreaks.com/news/11872
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Nex
at 19:36 16/6/2005
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"AJAX. Unless you're gay, then you are doing what many on this forum would say, ass posting"well not everyone has to be gay to do a little thing normal humans call 'being nice'. Maybe u shopuld try it once...it may take a while to gte used to doing it since u've nvr tried
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scoutingwraith
at 19:33 16/6/2005
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OMG get over this its just a Video Card. Even if its out would someone want to pay $1000 for it.
??????????????????
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Nex
at 19:26 16/6/2005
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Hate to say it but we aren't the same people. I don't even know him, i just agree wiyth him. U know there are other ppl smart enough to realise ATi is better than nvidia.examples where ati beats nvidia by a bit? http://techreport.com/reviews/2004q4/radeon-x850xt/index.x?pg=8
http://www.doomedpc.com/drupal-4.5.2//?q=node/32&PHPSESSID=248e2647b6148e1bee9f4594ce1d253a
http://www.pcmoddingmy.com/content.php?review.220.4
these are more then enough to get me to buy an x850 over 6800 ultra. Not only that they don't advertise bullsh*t
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Simple Simon
at 18:56 16/6/2005
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"and still beat Nvidia soundly with the X850XT PE."Show me one game where ati beats Nvidia soundly besides HL2? Good luck. Prove it. I could say the same thing for DOOM3. Soundly means 20+ fps stable. Only HL2 and DOOM3 do you see this difference between the 2 gpu's.
You said because Nvidia does not use unified shaders it does not follow MS coded shader paths...Tellme. Is the R300, R420 support unified shaders? If not, then by your accounts, its not following MS protocol. You make me laugh. "If Nvidia followed MS code path than why so shitty performance with PS 3.0." Have we not discussed this? No card at this point can run PS3.0 applications well. So what you're telling me is the XT850PE would run it better if it wee ps3.0 compliant?
Nvidia was the first to have a 128 bitmemory interface. DX7 capable card. Nvidia and ATI make advances. What's your point? You still have not proved your points. So go back to Mcdonalds
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mike
at 18:39 16/6/2005
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no they support jump drives. lmao
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AJAX
at 18:35 16/6/2005
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Simple Simon our post sometimes are very close together, does that mean split personality. The R500 implements unified shaders. The X850XT PE and 6800ultra's performance is not identical. ATI up until the R520 has done refreshes only, and still beat Nvidia soundly with the X850XT PE. You haven't proven that you work for ATI, I can say that I work for Nvidia and I know guys there like mike, james. You are the one making the biggest ass of yourself, and you are the reason why cousin's should marry. If Nvidia followed MS code path than why so shitty performance with PS 3.0. ATI has always worked closely with MS, which was why they had the first card (9700) to feature DX9, and up to this very moment they have better DX9 performance. ATI was the first to have 8 pixel pipeline, 256-bit memory bus, they practically lead the way with their AA and AF and put a new standard on image quality. You do not make any sense.!
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Nvidia
at 18:25 16/6/2005
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yea mike...LOL... ATI cards also supports Floppydisks LOL!
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soulraver
at 18:22 16/6/2005
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lmao at Anonymous
at 18:13 16/6/2005 good one.
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Anonymous
at 18:22 16/6/2005
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simple simon your the man!
i love reading your posts ;)
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Anonymous
at 18:13 16/6/2005
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"Nex you bring some very valid points and I enjoy reading your posts."AJAX. Unless you're gay, then you are doing what many on this forum would say, ass posting. You are using different names to post to support your arguments. That my friend is pathetic. If you cannot suport your views using you id and only your id, then you need to go home and drink some milk from mommy.
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mike
at 17:56 16/6/2005
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captain dark meat. How does Blu-ray fit into this? GPU not supporting a dvd format? They are totally unrelated. Just for you to know. :)
A gpu renders 3d graphics. Not playing dvd formats.
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Simple Simon
at 17:52 16/6/2005
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...continued..
If unified shaders is a must as you claim for a gpu to be MS compliant, then NO card right now has followed MS coded path. I see no unified shader units with the R420? R300? R350? You do know what you are talking about? Right? You and Nex which are the same person need help. You still have not proven with facts that ATI has progressed farther with 65nm technology.
You don't want to beleive i work for ATI, good for you. Why, because i am not a fanboy of a product like you? Don't make me laugh. I know more about GPU's then you will ever know. I personaly know some of the "people" who worked for Artx and SGI and old Nvidia employees that left to work in R&D. Please, you need to stop. Your making aN ass of yourself now." nVidia supports only current HW generation." That statement right there proves you have no knowledge in this areana. It's a dead giveaway! Nvidia was the first company to have UNIFIED drivers for ALL GPU's. It was ATI who copied this model with the release of the Catalyst Drivers. ATI drivers prior to the Catalyst NEVER did this. If you are a poor slob running a 8500 chip or Rage128 OR OLDER, try using current Catalyst drivers! I know this, i get calls everyday from people who still own those cards that have issues. This is the one area that Nvidia pioneered. You can use a geforce 1 card and use the latest Forceware drivers with very little issues. ATI followed this model. Which was the best thing they did.
You know why? Because the project manager involved in driver support came from Nvidia. Don't ever talk to me about ATI inter dealings. I work there 5 days a week. You work at Mcdonalds.
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Simple Simon
at 17:51 16/6/2005
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AJAX and nex are the same person.
Your postings are too close together. You need help. Once again you revert to insults to make your arguement. Your a child. "Nvidia has never followed MS code path. " So the Geforce 1,2,3,4 never followed MS shader paths? You need help. They slaughtered the 8500 and rage chipsets. Yet they never as you claimed followed MS protocol? It was just the FX line that they never folowed MS code fully. Please do research before you post. AJAX
at 12:58 16/6/2005 is that AJAX or someone else. You are mixing up your names in your posting. lol. ie:
"I am not sure if AJAX and Nex is 12 years old, but he brings more in depth view than you two fags"
lol... "R420 is a faster and more efficient core, than the NV40." Hmmmmmmm. How is it more efficeint when the NV40 runs a clock speed of 400-420 mhz and the xt850 runs at 520+ and they offer almost same results? I find your statement quite wrong. Tell me this. If the 6800 ran a clock speed of 500MHZ, which chip would run games faster considering with a 100mhz deficiet in speed the 6800 holds up quite well. That is what you call a effcient core. That was the same type of performance core the 9700pro had. It was slower by clock speeds but more efficient. That's how you determine overall efficiency. And the very resason ATI cards run cooler is the 60 million transistors it has less then the 6800. For the 6800 to run at lower clock speeds and with more transistors and still performs on par with ATI's flagship, proves your statement of "ati's chip being more effieicnt" false. "The whole unified shader thing proves it." What does unified shaders have to do with MS coded path???? Good god you have no idea what you are talking about. I write drivers for a living. You are out of your tree. Go to school please and learn some facts besides cutting and pasting web info screens! Moreover, If unified shaders is a must as you claim for a gpu to be MS compliant, then NO card right now has f
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capatin dark meat
at 17:19 16/6/2005
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Another reason to go with ATI is that their next gen supports Blu-Ray and HD content with hardware support, you won't get that with Nvidia.
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Nex
at 16:21 16/6/2005
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frogot my name...again
16:19 is me
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Anonymous
at 16:19 16/6/2005
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You too also make good points, especially that last post. I for one don't see how some of these ppl don't understand the points we are bringing to them? We give valid points, and understandable asumptions, but there always seems to be some reason that they want to 'fight back' about.
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AJAX
at 14:42 16/6/2005
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Nex you bring some very valid points and I enjoy reading your posts. Like you I am trying to explain why ATI is a head and why they have better architecture. Simple Simon on the other hand, who apparently works for ATI both at Tech and Driver Development, is trying to say something I'm not sure. Simple Simon ATI is a head of Nvidia in fabrication, which is why their cards take less power, and give off less thermal energy. ATI makes their own cards as well. ATI was the first to utilize low-k dielectric process, the first to jump on 90nm. Nvidia's G70 was suppose to be on 90nm but they ran into difficulties. I prefer ATI because ATI has ex-ArtX and ex-Real3D people working for them, as well as ex-SGI people. Ex-ArtX people were ex-SGI people anyway.
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Nex
at 14:21 16/6/2005
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"Some of you should take a long look at yourselves and realize what you're arguing about. Then get some nylon rope and hang yourself from the ceiling because you just realized that you spend hours each day arguing about video cards."so...what SHOULD we be argueing about? u don't seem to give a better suggestion
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meh
at 13:39 16/6/2005
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Some of you should take a long look at yourselves and realize what you're arguing about. Then get some nylon rope and hang yourself from the ceiling because you just realized that you spend hours each day arguing about video cards.I'm just glad that these cards are coming out, so I could finally get a 6800 for cheap.
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Nex
at 13:10 16/6/2005
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i think the guy below surely hit the spot with what i was trying to say. It is not of ur buisiness how old i am. Whether im 34, 12, 8, or 80, it doesn't matter. The point is that i am trying to get a point across to the people (cough simon cough) that don't understand at all. and the guy below me did a very good job of explainign the details of ATi vs nVidia's current statistics
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AJAX
at 13:7 16/6/2005
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ATi
1) better video support (better scalers, deinterlacing etc.)
2) 3D - better AA (performance/quality balance, innovations)
3) 3D - more stable framerate
4) lower power consumption, more silent coolers, smaller cards
5) better drivers (don't kick me ). nVidia supports only current HW generation. I'm preparing a test of older cards (+-1999/2000), I'm using latest drivers and only with nVidia drivers I was unable to run all the tests and games
6) ATi didn't kill 3Dfx
7) ugly nV marketing:
1998: SLI is bad - 2005: SLI is good
1999: AFR is bad - 2005: AFR is good
2000: "you can use FSAA even with TNT" -> switched off after 3Dfx crashed
documents about Kyro, X800
copying technologies (multitexturing, FSAA, some multiprocessing ideas)
purevideo works with GF6800... etc.
8.) Technologies on paper (TNT 2048*2048*32bit textures+rendering, FSAA on TNT/GF256, TL of GF256 a GF2MX, SM2.0 of GF-FX, SM3.0 of GF6)
9) ATi: traditionally excellent quality of analog output and 2D speed
10) ATi (simmilar to 3Dfx): robust implementation of new technologies (ATi doesn't implement technologies until they have solution, which is enough powerful to use them)
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AJAX
at 12:58 16/6/2005
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Simple Simon is an idiot, you guys are stating the obvious. As far as I am concerned ATI has progressed far ahead of Nvidia in the fabrication department. Nvidia has stated that working with low-k process is dangerous, sure it is when ATI are master's of it. ATI till this point has beaten Nvidia with their trusty old R300 core. I am not sure if AJAX and Nex is 12 years old, but he brings more in depth view than you two fags. Simple Simon you do not work for ATI, so please stop saying you do. What is the argument ATI has the bigger market share. Nvidia has never followed MS code path. The whole unified shader thing proves it. The R420 is a faster and more efficient core, than the NV40. The NV40 has more features but they are useless, because it has slow PS 3.0 performance.
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Anonymous
at 12:56 16/6/2005
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What are you trying to say Nex?
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Nex
at 12:49 16/6/2005
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u r still not understanding, and im not even gonna waste my time typing it out...again
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Simple Simon
at 12:7 16/6/2005
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...continued...
And those are foolish comments. Very foolish. Never assume anything. People assumed in great fabricated detail the NV30 would destroy the 9700pro. We know the result. 65nm...only top execs know these details. And on this site if you already do not know, if you make a claim, you better be able to back it up. At least with me. "ati is better because they dont have those problems" ATI does not have problems? You need to have your head examined. ATI has issues. Lots of them. Nvidia has issues. Lots of them. That's the nature of the business. Just look at the long list of issues that were corrected with the 5.6 catalyst driver release. Now look at the long list of issues that are corrected with Forceware driver releases. Both companies have issues. Do not play the fanboy card. You cannot say that the R420 is better then the NV40 nor can you say the NV40 is better then the R420. Please provide proof! 1-10 fps difference in games is not proof. If you compare both chipsets closely, Nvidia's 6800Ultra is the better deal over the XT850PE. If the XT850 ran games twice as fast, then it's no contest. It does not. The very fact that nv40 hardware has more features is a plus. You cant use them per say as very few titles use those features, however, if you are like most buyers. You keep your gpu's for years. If so, try playing a ps3.0 game on ATI hardware then. If you think the 6800 will run it slow, the R420 will crawl as it does not supprt ANY form of PS3.0 whatsoever.
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Simple Simon
at 12:6 16/6/2005
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...continued...
You get bigger performances there. But then DOOM3 runs faster by more then 10-15fps on Nvidia hardware. So that evens itself out.
If you compare feature set vs. price, the XT850PE is not worth it. Your better off buying the XT800 for $150 less. Driver issues. Hmmm. I hate when people live in the past and claim ATI has crppy drivers. I also say this for people that claim Nvidia has crappy drivers. They are both solid and have there own issues. No GPU company isperfect. If you think so. You're a fool.
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Simple Simon
at 12:3 16/6/2005
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"i care about the performance of the card on every game. And if the x850XT beats the 6800 ultra in EVERY game basically, that is more than enough to make me go for that card."Here's the thing Nex. I run a XT850PE in my rig. Love it. I got it for 60% off from ATI. Otherwise i would have never gotten it.
You are not understanding what i am saying. The only game where you can tell the difference between the 2 cards is HL2 and DOOM3. All other games are so close, you could never tell which card was running what game. You could line up 4 pc's with various XT850 and 6800Ultras in them running any game but HL2 or DOOM3 and not one person here could tell if said pc had a Nvidia card in it or ATI card. FACT. 5-10 FRAMES above 60 FPS you will never tell. The XT850PE costs almost $100 more then the 6800Ultra yet only gives you 1-5 fps increases in all games minus HL2.
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Nex
at 11:35 16/6/2005
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wow, for some reason, thats not funny at all, that just makes all u guys look like u are 12 years old. And since he prolly knows a lot more than u guys do, i don't think u have the rights to be making fun of him.as for simple simon...i dont think u understand. I dont care about how each one performas based on the game (HL2 and doom3) i care about the performance of the card on every game. And if the x850XT beats the 6800 ultra in EVERY game basically, that is more than enough to make me go for that card. Then ur also blinded on the fact of drivers, nvidias crappy drivers and stability, and the fact of compatability. u have to open ur eyes to more then the extra little features that ati and nvidia add to their cards to try and be better. If they have some feature that will make better effects and lost 1/2 performance, that doesnt sound too good to me, so y add it? U are missing some of the major points of this little 'WAR' we're having. "further in 65nm tech then Nvidia..."
"Better implentation of PS3.0"
"ATi HAS the technology to be able to do this, to be able to move on, and smart enough to do it without problems." these aren't childish little comments, they are points to try and get across to ou that yes, ati is better because they dont have those problems, or that they didn't add some useless thing into their cards thats not needed. Sure i dont think anyone can prove that ati is further along to 65nm, but its an assumption since ati is already at 90 and nvidia is still at 110, it seems like a pretty fair thing to say that ati is closer. u have to look at obvious points, the ones that don't need facts to back them up. There are some things that can be told without needed to 'cite' the info.
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Paul
at 11:25 16/6/2005
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I don't think ajax is 12 years old. Maybe 13 or 14. But not 12. Leave the poor fanboy alone. Leave him with his lovely sexxy ati card. Since he does not have a women. Hes needs silicon instead. ajax, you manwhore you!
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Anonymous
at 11:19 16/6/2005
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Happy belated birthday Ajax! May the next twelve be as great as the last!!!
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Anonymous
at 11:0 16/6/2005
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LMFAO at AJAX 12th B-DAY. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
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Anonymous
at 10:24 16/6/2005
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AJAX, it seems i forgot your 12th birthday last week. happy birthday!
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Simple Simon
at 10:10 16/6/2005
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As for losing this WAR? Nex or AJAX....Are you children? For me i pledge no alligence to any compnay. Even the company that writes my bi-weekly checks...ATI. My point in all of this is to enlighten some people that being a fanboy is foolish. Individuals are making claims about performance without proof! Making claims about future technologies without proof! Trying to make statements to seem as fact. When we do not know. Have we all not seen this crap before? The 5800 was a prime example. Nvidia fanboys claimed the 5800 was going to be the 9700pro killer. Yet, the chip was not even released until early may of 2002. And look what transpired. Now we are getting the same B.S no, just with ATI fanboys claiming ridiculus claims without proof.
"further in 65nm tech then Nvidia..."
"Better implentation of PS3.0"
"ATi HAS the technology to be able to do this, to be able to move on, and smart enough to do it without problems."Can you not see how stupid and fanboyish your statements are?
I have yet to see games other then HL2 and DOOM3 run differently on ATI or Nvidia hardware. They are just that close. I applaud both GPU companies for the advancements they create. ATI or Nvidia.
Nvidia has done it right with the NV40. Look at the hardware to see. It runs slower then the R420 yet beats it some games and loses in others. Reminds me of the excellant 9700pro vs. the 5800. Give props where it counts. Put the biased 12 year old attitude aside. If you compare clock for Clock basis, the NV40 is faster then the R420. The same way the 9700pro, 9800pro, 9800XT clock for clock basis was faster then the 5800, 900, 5950. Nvidia did it right this time with the nv40. It is technically more advanced then the R420. This i applaud Nvidia. I applaud ATI for the upcoming R520 as it SEEMS to be a whole new desgin. Kudos for that.....
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Nex
at 10:4 16/6/2005
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actually crossfire can work in 3 ways:scanline mode, where each card renders a different line, every other one checkerboard layyout, where each card runs every other square, and a scissor mode, where each card does half the screen y wont it have problems? easily said. the way that it works, is it has a seperate card doing different parts of the screen. basically, instead of hvaing 1 card do it all, they are just sticking 2 in there, and having a special monitor cable. nvidia's sli works differently. instead of rendering each part of the screen which would give better performance, they connect both the gou's together to work simultaneously. by doing this, complicated drivers are needed to make them work together properly. on the other hand, all ati needs is drivers to support 2 cards working at once, in no peticular uniform.
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Simple Simon
at 9:55 16/6/2005
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"agreed, all this is sayign is that ATi HAS the technology to be able to do this, to be able to move on, and smart enough to do it without problems."Nex or AJAX. WHATEVER. We do not know if ATI will have issues with CrossFire. IT'S NOT RELEASED YET! How do you know this??????? And what poor PS3.0 results? Compared to what? Poor ps3.0 controller. That's too funny considering no review site has ever mentioned this in reviewing 6800 hardware. Nvidia's implementation of PS3.0 in 6800 hardware is to full specifications of MS protocol. Something they learned the hard way with the 5800. PS3.0 cannot run fully on 16 pipeline parts. Does not mean that the "ps3.0 controller" if you want to call it that, is poor. This generation of hardware cannot run full floating point 128bit precision. Fast anyways. "it just takes each card and renders a different area of the screen." Please read what CrossFire does. It's comparable to a chess board. Dividing workloads between the slave card and the master card. The only time Nvidi had issues with "moving" on is the FX line of cards. Good god they were bad. But the 6800 macarhetecture is almost perfect for what it ws intended to do. Not one person on this forum can say that the 6800 chipset is a poor design. Nor can anyone on this forum say the same thing for the R420.
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Nex
at 9:25 16/6/2005
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"10) ATi (simmilar to 3Dfx): robust implementation of new technologies (ATi doesn't implement technologies until they have solution, which is enough powerful to use them)"agreed, all this is sayign is that ATi HAS the technology to be able to do this, to be able to move on, and smart enough to do it without problems. Look at nvidia. every tiem they try and move on, there is a problem with their cards. FX seriess, do i have to epxlain? 6x00 series, crappy PS3.0 support and crappy SLi that barely works good. ATi on the other hand is able to make crossfire in a way that wont have such buggy results, because the idea isn't difficult. it doesnt combine gpu's and all this shit by hooking them up, it just takes each card and renders a different area of the screen.
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Anonymous
at 9:21 16/6/2005
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and for actual support/reference to the sli performance thinghttp://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2258&p=1 here are some GREAT tests to show this. sure on maybe 1...2...MAYBE 3 of them, it had about exactly 200% performance, but in the other ones it went in the range of 150- to 175
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Nex
at 9:19 16/6/2005
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actually nvidia's current PS3.0 contorller is very poor. It's not actually full PS3.0, it's just enough to run it partially.for dynamic branching..are u trying to confuse someone? try and give a simpler defination, it is actual some coding which saves performance by not using complex shader operations on irrelivent pixels which dont need it. The entire PS3.0 thing needs a lot of string hardware which none of the current gen cards can handle, and by advertiseing that nvidias 6x00 series has ps3.0 is complete propaganda and the ppl dont understand that any good PS3.0 game cannot be run good at all with it. They can have games with PS3.0 support, but does that even show any quality difference? hell no. Look at far cry for example, in PS3.0, u cant notice a thing at all. and SLI is not fast at all. As of now, the cards only are putting out about 150%-175% performance by addign 2 cards. Their SLI drivers are still VERY buggy and have tons of problems with compatability. It is very unstable as of now still, and it is such a stupid idea to buy 2 cards to get 15-% performance. im sry simple simon, but u are definatly losing this war. it is very obvious that ati > nvidia, and will be too in next gen. It is obvious that ati is more stable than nvidia. it is obvious nvidias current PS3.0 and sli are jokes, and pieces of crap. It is obvious nvidias advertisement of PS3.0 in the 6x00 cards are propaganda... what more do i NEED to say about nvidia? it is a crap companay running on propaganda
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Hero
at 9:5 16/6/2005
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"10) ATi (simmilar to 3Dfx): robust implementation of new technologies (ATi doesn't implement technologies until they have solution, which is enough powerful to use them)"Translation. ATI is not pro-active but reactive. Maybe this is why they took the chance with 90nm this time around.
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Nvidia
at 9:0 16/6/2005
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AJAX! Don't talk sh1t here kid. PROVE ure stupid shitty statements...
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Anonymous
at 8:18 16/6/2005
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Yes it does have a connection with Xbox360, same connection as new Gforce 70 with PS3. Ati has said it many times that Xbox r500 wont be caught up by any PC card untill r600, so heres your equality. Ati only leaked the info in responce to Nvidia. This is all cool, however leaves a strong expression that ATI hold's the technology and has all the power to make it, however they are playing for optimal revenues. Nvidia came up with SM 3, Why didnt ATI ? Too expencive ? It could still milk people with SM 2? Same with r500, the whole damn X360 box costs less than If i'd first get r520(500$), then wait a year r600 (500$ more) and then wait for a dual core r600.
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Simple Simon
at 8:18 16/6/2005
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correction....ATI has progressed further then Nvidia with 65nm technology. This is what you said i assume ;)
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Simple Simon
at 8:16 16/6/2005
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And the G70 and the R520 will be able to do it. But you have to applaud Nvidia for releasing this. Even though like all other shader protocols it's never used until 1 generation later. ATI learned this with the 8500 and PS1.4. You need someone to push the envelope. The same way ATI pushed the envelope with the first DX9 card running on a 256bit memory interface. You are making predictions based on bias AJAX. Prediciting that for one, which you STILL HAVE NOT PROVIDED PROOF. That Nvidia has progressed further with 65nm. I am laughing at that statement as no one knows how far ATI or Nvidia has reached regarding 65nm tech. Certainly not you or I. I work for ATI yet i do not for one underestimate the enemy(Nvidia) Whatever ATI throws at Nvidia, Nvidia will do the same.
Nvidia likes to incoporate tech into it's hardware that is not used at the time. But like i said before, it's not a bad thing. It makes ATI respond. The same way they had to respond to SLI. FAST.
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Simple Simon
at 7:56 16/6/2005
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And do you really know what Dynamic branching is? With a comment like.."then dynamic branching support will suddenly be an achilles heel, despite the fact that previously, it wasn't, and the real life scenarios where it was used were few and far between."
I will eplain it again in more detailed terms.
Dynamic Branching facilitate the execution of complex effects and use only one shader for different effects. A pixel shader 3.0 can incorporate various algorithm versions, which process light effects. For each pixel it determines via a dynamic branching which light effect should be applied. That operation avoids costly shader changes and also useless arithmetic operations.
It’s very easy to lose performance with dynamic branching. Connections inside the GPU are very expensive. In addition to the connection cost, and considering the fact that quad engines (4 pixels pipelines) work with SIMD, they cannot carry out 2 different operations for 2 different pixels.
This is why i have said....NO HARDWARE AT THIS TIME CAN RUN IT. EVEN IF ATI WERE TO BE PS3.0 COMPLIANT WITH THE XT850PE!
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Simple Simon
at 7:47 16/6/2005
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"but really because ATI is releasing their version of PS 3.0 ( Nvidia engineers put their head down in shame)"Where do you come up with this stuff? lol. Put there head in shame? They were the first to bring it out. And THEIR VERSION IS NOT THEIR VERSION. IT'S MS version. They did not invent it. It's not like reinventing the wheel. Dynamic Branching for ATI hardware will be more or less the same as Dynamic Branching for Nvidia hardware. If not, then you will see another 5800 fiasco. Nvidia did not do this witrh the 6800.
I totally agree with you that PS3.0 was not needed as Developers were not codeing for it, nor the hadware could run it. "Currently, in NV40, pixel shader code causes a loss of efficiency in branching because around 1000 or so separate pixels are all lumped together, running the longest execution path through the shader" Yes and what do you think would happen on R4209 hardware running PS3.0? The same thing.
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capatin dark meat
at 7:9 16/6/2005
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Currently ATI over Nvidia for two reasons: 1. Drivers seem stabler and the CP quicker to respond.
2. Although both companies cheat with optimizations for games, I was floored with Nvidia's cheating in a benchmark tool some time ago to artificially bend the score in their favour with no benifit to the end user (unlike game cheats, which provide some benifit)
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AJAX
at 7:4 16/6/2005
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The whole fact of the matter is that Nvidia released a technology (PS 3.0) and did not have a solution fast enough to run it. Refer to point 10 on the list. Now PS 3.0 will be on track this year, one of the reasons being that more powerful hardware is expected, but really because ATI is releasing their version of PS 3.0 ( Nvidia engineers put their head down in shame). Dynamic Branching and Displacment Mapping have yet to be used. The implementation of PS 3.0 cost Nvidia and additional 60 million transistor and for what. ATI was correct saying that PS 3.0 was not important at this time. ATI showed that their PS 2.0b can compete even exceed Nvidia's NV40 feature set. Currently, in NV40, pixel shader code causes a loss of efficiency in branching because around 1000 or so separate pixels are all lumped together, running the longest execution path through the shader. e.g. if one pixel is lit by 5 lights, all ~1000 pixels in the batch are "lit by 5 lights" though predication prevents the superfluous code having any effect on those pixels lit by less than 5 lights. I think it's fair to say everyone was expecting that this branch commonality would operate at the quad level in NV40, but it's turned out (through experiment) to measure at a larger level of granularity. The loss of efficiency, here, is catastrophic. It means that developers have avoided implementing shader code that performs dynamic per-pixel branching. It'll be interesting to see if G70 and R520 can do quad-level dynamic-branching, I think everybody expects it.Simple Simon I really enjoy you posts
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Simple Simon
at 6:38 16/6/2005
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"Nvidia's implementation of PS 3.0 is very poor, their dynamic Branching is slow as hell. PS 3.0 sucked last year this year it will Rock.."And why will it rock this year? Maybe because 24 or 32 pipeline cards can run PS3.0 software faster? ;) PS3.0 on 6800 hardware is slow as hell. Slow compared to what may i ask? ATI does not have this feature as Dynamic Branching is a feature exclusive to PS3.0. So you have no other model to compare it to! Where do you base your conclusions?? I don't want to add more gas to this fire, however, i think some info regarding shader protocols and other features that PS3.0 offers needs to be explained here...Added point. AJAX. Do you actualy think the XT850PE if it were PS3.0 capable would run Dynamic branching any faster then Nvidia's implementation? Such that HDR, Geometry Instancing, Vertex Texture Lookups...which allows features like Displacement Mapping.
Would have very little performance decreases on ATI hardware compared to Nvidia hardware? ;) We all know what Displacement mapping is..right? For those who do not know...Displacement Mapping is a feature with PS3.0 that physically adds surface detail by manipulating the height of the texture. Displacement Mapping can even go as far as to create the model itself. You cannot do this with PS2.0. The same protocols Nvidia has used for their 6800 macarhetecture will more or less be used for the r520 chipsets. Difference being, the R520 will have more pixel piplines to address. Same as the G70 or R600 or G80. The 6800 contains two FP32 shader math units that can operate in either dual issue or co-issue modes. So the 6800 effectively provides superscalar (more than one instruction at a time) processing of pixel shader code. However, because dynamic branching and HDR can be GPU intensive, 16 pipelines is not enough to adress this issue. Which brings me to this point. Previous GPUs didn't have the ability to write FP color values out to the frame buffer, but instead could only write th
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Anonymous
at 6:27 16/6/2005
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AJAX's knowledge < everything i have ever seen
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AJAX
at 6:11 16/6/2005
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ATi
1) better video support (better scalers, deinterlacing etc.)
2) 3D - better AA (performance/quality balance, innovations)
3) 3D - more stable framerate
4) lower power consumption, more silent coolers, smaller cards
5) better drivers (don't kick me ). nVidia supports only current HW generation. I'm preparing a test of older cards (+-1999/2000), I'm using latest drivers and only with nVidia drivers I was unable to run all the tests and games
6) ATi didn't kill 3Dfx
7) ugly nV marketing:
1998: SLI is bad - 2005: SLI is good
1999: AFR is bad - 2005: AFR is good
2000: "you can use FSAA even with TNT" -> switched off after 3Dfx crashed
documents about Kyro, X800
copying technologies (multitexturing, FSAA, some multiprocessing ideas)
purevideo works with GF6800... etc.
8.) Technologies on paper (TNT 2048*2048*32bit textures+rendering, FSAA on TNT/GF256, TL of GF256 a GF2MX, SM2.0 of GF-FX, SM3.0 of GF6)
9) ATi: traditionally excellent quality of analog output and 2D speed
10) ATi (simmilar to 3Dfx): robust implementation of new technologies (ATi doesn't implement technologies until they have solution, which is enough powerful to use them)
=
ATI>Nvidia
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Anonymous
at 2:14 16/6/2005
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i wish Nvidia suddenly brings out a GFX card increadbly powerfull that all these peeps bad mouthing Nvdia would shutup!
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Anonymous
at 20:22 15/6/2005
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This one guy sold me a pirated radeon 9700 on ebay what should i do?
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Anonymous
at 20:19 15/6/2005
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RAWWWWWWWWR!!
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Anonymous
at 20:4 15/6/2005
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when u guys say that this is a majorly tweaked version of the xbox360 core, it doesnt really look that way. adding 16 more pipelines, adding about 300Mhz to the core, a whole bunch of new crap for longhorn, 65nm, it starts to sound beyond that of the xbox360 core. and i for one believe that it may come out even better. if the x800 series had 16 pipelines, and in 1 year, the r500 has 48, theres no doubt to say that the next one can have as much as 144 pieplines if it triples just as did. the 65nm is very believable, in the last year basically going from 130 to 90, why not 90 to 65? and as for the other aspects, i think in one full year they can beef those up a bit more too. Personally i think these are lower than expected 'guidelines'
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Anonymous
at 19:43 15/6/2005
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"just another flame war. Good Job Megagames."it has nothign to do with megagames. They post articles and allow u to post comments without an account, i fidn that a very good thing. The true flaming comes from the person. It is his/her decision to make some gay *ss comment to get someone else to say something. Flame wars are usually started by someone who's sole purpose is to start one, usually with a comment like "fanATics are so gay, they cards dont even have PS3.0, and they cant even use have the features. nvidia owns all ur *sses u f*cking atiots." Just to clear it up, flame wars are always started by the 'client' side so to speak.
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Nex
at 19:40 15/6/2005
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"And one more thing. One morning you will all wake up and realise that maybe, just maybe, video games are for kids and lifeless grown-ups. No wonder America has the fattest population. Pick up a new hobbie like some physical activities."actually they serve a good perpose. it excersises the mind, which is definatly the most important part of ur body. Physcial excersise? ha, funny...u know what that gets u? a longer life span...but wait...all that time u spent excesising = more time than u get out of it. I will bet u ten $ if i go excersise for 1 hour tomorrow, i will not get longer than 1 hour added to my life. And as for doing them for fun..how can exsersising be fun? doies it make u feel good that u look in shape? if so thats a very poor image of life my friend...u shoudl try doing something more 'helpful' for the world instead of all for urself. I myself am not fat by any means. I use my computer for a large majority of my time and im almost under weight. I eat a lot too. My friend is the same way. Not everyone gets fat, it is usually something genetic that develops to make u fat, but of course u wouldn't know that since all u do is physical activities, how can u possibly know anything from running all day or playing sports? I no doubt believe that u can beat me at any sport. but what will this give u? nothing. Maybe if u make it to a national sports tam, u will make a lot of money...but how will this help others? it wont. u have to stop thinking about urself and think of somethignt hat will help everyone else.
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Anonymous
at 19:40 15/6/2005
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just another flame war. Good Job Megagames.
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Anonymous
at 19:27 15/6/2005
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Double A
at 16:34 15/6/2005Too much sense into ur words mate! Someone had to bring the fat crisis in the states on a hardware forum. Bloody funny im telling u
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Nex
at 18:49 15/6/2005
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just like i tried to say, nvidias PS3.0 support isnt that great. they try and use propaganda to try and say "look it HAS PS3.0" but what the ppl dont see is the fact that yeah it has it, but it is slow *ss performance
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AJAX
at 18:29 15/6/2005
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Enabling HDR in Far Cry causes a 50% performance penalty. Softshadows in ridd**k are available only on the GF6 series because the developer didn't bother to implement it in SM2 form. Same goes for SC Chaos Theory due to their relationship with nvidia, although they have said they may add an SM2 option. The problem on the NV40 is that you have to think like a RISC compiler when writing your shader and schedule your "loads" because unlike the pixel pipeline, the chip doesn't do it for you. If you think you're going to do a bunch of sampling, you need overlap those with lots of raw shader ops. Once ATI has SM3.0, I think all the SM3.0 naysaying will disappear, and all of a sudden a whole crop of "only possible with SM3.0" scenarios will appear. And people in the past who were exclaiming no big deal between sm2.0b and sm3.0 will suddenly be at the head of the bandwagon, especially if ATI's performs better. For example, if ATI's dynamic branching performs better, then dynamic branching support will suddenly be an achilles heel, despite the fact that previously, it wasn't, and the real life scenarios where it was used were few and far between. Now, such support will be seen as *crucial*. Nvidia's implementation of PS 3.0 is very poor, their dynamic Branching is slow as hell. PS 3.0 sucked last year this year it will Rock. Seriously Simon you don't work for ATI.
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Anonymous
at 18:12 15/6/2005
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and no, doom3 is a crappy ass game. It completely ruined the series...and as for the gfx engine for doom3 and q4, it looks horrible. i can go in and easily show large bugs and lighting issues in the game itself. The lighting is very nasty, and looks horrible.
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Anonymous
at 18:9 15/6/2005
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no im not australian, and i dont do drugs...my apologies though, i could have sworm that doom3 was direct3d...i couldve been thinking hl2, im not sure
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Anonymous
at 17:18 15/6/2005
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Anonymous
at 16:41 is austrailian for sure...
Vegimite kills brain cells, they happen to be terribly inbred....take your pick.
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Anonymous
at 16:53 15/6/2005
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DOOM3 and Quake4 are Direct3D? And your saying Anonymous is smoking something? lmao. All ID software is written in OPENGL. Man this forum is full of fools.
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Anonymous
at 16:41 15/6/2005
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"DOOM3 and Quake4"UM, DEFINATLY Direct3D by far man...what are u smoking?
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Anonymous
at 16:34 15/6/2005
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I don't know if you can even say ATI has better IQ in D3D app over Nvidia with this generation of cards. Last generation yes! This one. It's a crap shoot. OpenGL is quite good. Look at all the 1st person shooters that were released last year and even this year. They are quite good. Chronicals of Ridd**k for one is amazing. Call of Duty is another. Just to name a few. DOOM3 and Quake4. All OPENGL. ALL GOOD.
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Double A
at 16:34 15/6/2005
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And one more thing. One morning you will all wake up and realise that maybe, just maybe, video games are for kids and lifeless grown-ups. No wonder America has the fattest population. Pick up a new hobbie like some physical activities.
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Anonymous
at 16:32 15/6/2005
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hey look, all of our posts were within like, the same 5 minutes!
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Anonymous
at 16:32 15/6/2005
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"Sometimes I wonder if you guys actually stay glued to your pcs all day long in order to post useless comments on useless topics"OOHOOHOOH!!!! i do!!!! i do!!!!
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Double A
at 16:31 15/6/2005
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Sometimes I wonder if you guys actually stay glued to your pcs all day long in order to post useless comments on useless topics. And to pick an example I would go with AJAX. What the heck man? Your posts make no sense. Get your ideas straight then start typing.
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Anonymous
at 16:31 15/6/2005
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"lol, make a virtual 3d card? No one would know how to make one that even worked, much less make one that could compete on the market"to whomever that was addressed to:
lol good luck with that project, hope to hear from u soon.
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DRDEATH
at 16:29 15/6/2005
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I just want to throw in some wood into this fire. ;)
"You all realize that ATI was not the one who released these specs."The very fact that ATI did not release these specs should make you think twice about them ;)
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Nex
at 16:28 15/6/2005
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yes, the current PS3.0 in the nvidia 6x00 series is not actually full PS3.0 It doesnt support it at full coding.and as for opengl and d3d, everyone knows nvidia is running opengl faster and nobody cares because opengl sux. and d3d, ati has much better image quality and smoothness of play. they both play at equal framerates or so, and eqally matched, ati will outperform nvidia slightly in d3d.
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Enigma
at 16:26 15/6/2005
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lol, make a virtual 3d card? No one would know how to make one that even worked, much less make one that could compete on the market.
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Simple simon
at 16:13 15/6/2005
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...CONTINUED...
DOOM3 and HL2. ATI runs D3D software faster. Nvidia runs OPENGL faster. Every other game runs almost the same. We are talking about 1-5 fps differences. Only HL2 and DOOM3 and Ridd**k show larger gaps in performance. 6800 Macarhetecture is quite good. It has more transistors then the R420 yet runs at lower clock speeds and still keeps up with ATI's best. Nvidia, like it or not, got it right with the nv40 series. The card is almost flawless. It's just too slow to run in full floating point precision and HDR features. That would apply to the XT850PE also if it were ps3.0 compliant. The nv30 series was a complete joke. The 9700pro was also similar to the NV40 in that the 9700pro ran at slower clock speeds but give the 5800 a ass whoopin' "Thus far ATI has progress much further than Nvidia on the 65nm process." Prove your statement. Just don't say it. How do you know what goes on behind the doors at Nvidia or ATI? You need to PROVE this. You cannot as NO ONE ON THIS FORUM KNOWS. If you can, that means you write my cheques bi-weekly at ATI.
Not working for the CIA.
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Simple simon
at 16:12 15/6/2005
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AJAX. Nvidia never had flaws with PS3.0. You are mistaken. They had issues with PS2.O with the FX GPU's. Nvidia at that time was pushing it's own protocol. Cg. It never fully followed MS D3D protocol. Hence the poor performance with PS2.O games running on the NV30, NV35 hardware. They corrected this with the release of the NV40. There are no issues with PS3.0 and NV40 macarhitecture. How do you figure this AJAX? You need to understand this. NO CURRENT GPU AT THIS TIME CAN RUN GAMES AT FULL PRECISION AND GAMES FULLY CODED IN PS3.0(Currently there is no game coded in it fully.) The 6800 or the XT850PE if it even supported PS3.0 would run programs slowly. This current generation of GPU's just do not have the bandwidth to offset the performance hit HDR and Full precsion causes. No game at this time will be programed to run in 128bit true color. Not one. Unreal 3 will be the closest.
As for SLI and your comment about Nvidia developing that because they cannot compete withg ATI in the single card areana. How do you come to this theory? SLI was already in developement and on the back burner before the 8500. Remember, Nvidia got this technology from 3DFX when they bought them out. This was there ace in the hole. And when they released it, ATI was caught with their collective pants down. If Nvidia never released SLI, ATI would have never released CrossFire to the general consumer. CrossFire was always intended for military simulations. It was created during the 9700pro days. It was also running only on OpenGL apps. It took Nvidia to take away profits in the high-end areana from ATI for ATI to even react. Which was a good thing. Cross fire looks to be a better solution. More user friendly and game compatible. Competition.
As for Nvidia not being able to cpmpete with ATI's single card solutions. You need to look at gaming comparisons. You are not. There are only 2 games on the market of thousands that show a stark contrast in performance between the 2 companies. DOOM3 and
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Anonymous
at 16:1 15/6/2005
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also how bout alot more competitions to actually win the high end cards???
or how bout a feature on either companies site that ppl can play with to make a virtual 3d card and what how it would perform?
and if it kicked arse than the company could make it and give the designer the card for free.
something like that would be cool and would allow for ppl to actually show what they want in a card....
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Anonymous
at 15:57 15/6/2005
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well if both companies were not so greedy and forced governments to lower the taxes on computer electtronics then we all could afford once of these babies and either company that did this would make a mint as they would have more buyers. why dont they ever read and think that they can still make alot buy reducing making it more available to ppl on lower incomes, or is it that they dont have a brain when it comes to that type of stuff
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Anonymous
at 14:59 15/6/2005
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its not actually just X, the full name is 'Cadence X Architecture'"The Cadence X Architecture design solution is the industry's first physical design solution..."
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Enigma
at 14:52 15/6/2005
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lol, they can't really call it X, that's what you use in linux to get a desktop going ;-)
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Nex
at 14:50 15/6/2005
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"ATI has developed a new patented fabrication process called X which will take their upcoming GPU solutions to new heights."Very nice! glad to see ur up to date on stuff! I hope it is as good as it sounds... I bet $10 some nvidiot will come and make some little faggady *ss comment about this...just watch and see lol
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AJAX
at 14:26 15/6/2005
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You all realize that ATI was not the one who released these specs. Read the article very carefully. However what is for sure is that both Nvidia and ATI plan to release 64 pixel pipeline card next year. Thus far ATI has progress much further than Nvidia on the 65nm process. ATI has developed a new patented fabrication process called X which will take their upcoming GPU solutions to new heights. http://rage3d.com/index.php?cat=87#newsid33818858
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Nex
at 13:53 15/6/2005
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continued:most towards engimas post since they haven't even done anything with it yet, these specs are most likely completely FAKE and made up by someone, or they are going to CHANGE dramatically. my personal belief is that these are made up by some retard out there, and he sure caused more trouble than anybody wanted.
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Nex
at 13:50 15/6/2005
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u guys are all retarded, lets get this straight, THIS IS NOT the real specs, prolly not even close...they are GUIDELINES...ok stop saying its impossible too, because its not gonna be here for at least a year. in that time it would be very possible to do. a bit over a year ago in may, they released the x800, now the x900 is 3x as ood, so why cant this one be 3-4x as good as this??? i see no reason it cant. the one guy down there is right. by next year, there prolly will be athlon 64 x2 5400+, and a 1gig gfx card easily. all u settle down...u act like its real or something...geeze...
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whatcanisay
at 12:44 15/6/2005
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BULL SHIT!now this is child play,they have been tooting R520 horn since 9800 times.now they are tooting R600 horn? I will never trust niether ATi nor Valve again.I remeber being fooled by 9800 xt being the best for playing hl2 and now this bubye ATi PR marketing shits cya in hell!
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Enigma
at 12:36 15/6/2005
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lol, what the hell, they released the specs on their next card, when their current card still hasn't been released? How gay is that. Next were going to see preorders for the R99999 which will run at 1235666666 GHZ and have 11111111.23414214 MB of DDR7 Ram =-D
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Anonymous
at 11:54 15/6/2005
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All I want to know is what the 3Dmark scores will be.. :p
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AJAX
at 11:41 15/6/2005
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To Simple SimonRight of the bat the X800 line had nothing new to offer. Nvidia's NV40 on the other hand offers PS 3.0. Now Nvidia always brings out technology that will not be used in that generation. Now ATI has said that they will show Nvidia how to really create a PS 3.0 compliant card (R520). Nvidia's PS 3.0 is full of flaws, there are slow downs in most games when PS 3.0 is enabled, I won't even get to the performance hit when HDR is enabled. Now the X800 is still based on old technology where Nvidia went all out and created a new architecture (NV40), so basically the X8xx series was a refresh and the NV40 was a new generation, which should be more future proof. The fact is the the NV40 which was intended to run PS 3.0 games will not be able to handle future upcoming PS 3.0 games, you might be able to with SLI, SLI which was created because Nvidia know that it cannot compete with ATI's single card solution anymore. Nvidia PS 3.0 baby Far Cry ran faster than on ATI hardware, even witht the PS 3.0 patch applied.
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Anonymous
at 10:19 15/6/2005
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Here's the thing. If you are the type of person that keeps a video card for more then 2-3 years. Which makes the most of the market. High end only equates to 1% of sales. More for bragging rights. Then if you do not mind dropping your resolution down in games, the 6800 series is the better future buy. Even though i do not beleive you can future proof video cards. Reason being, eventually all games wil be coded in PS3.0. So theoretically x800 cards will run a ps3.0 title slower then a 6800 cards if it's just coded in ps3.0. If you stick with ths generation cards when Unreal 3 comes out, you can alomst be sure Nvidia 6800 cards will run it faster then x800 cards. That game will be fully ps3.0 compliant.
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Simple Simon
at 10:4 15/6/2005
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...continued..
You're right. Nvidia does not run in full precision. They can, but they won't for the obvious reason that applications run slower. This dates to the NV30...
I never mentioned that chip design department was called "New chip Development Department" I was refering to your statement about Special Project Divison. And i also figure if you work for the CIA, should you not be solving terrorism or something of that nature? lol. Moreover, my duties require me to sit infront of a PC terminal 8 hours a day. I have access to the internet. Whats your excuse Agent Foster Grant?
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Simple Simon
at 10:3 15/6/2005
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The 6800 and the X800 parts are essentially equal. Minus speed increases in various games. IE; DOOM3...SPLINTER CELL...Ridd**k. ATI runs D3D games faster. Nvidia runs OpenGL games faster. But both companies do not hold a deciding lead over one another. The fps are so close this generation.
The R300 put a through beating on the 5800. Just as the 4600ti put a through beating on the 8500. The X850 and the 6800Ultra except in Doom3 and HL2 offer almost equal game comparisons. All one need to do is look at GPU comparisons to see this. You almost never see one card outperforming the other by more then 10 fps except in HL2 and DOOM3. All other games are too close to call. Also remember, the macarhitecture for the 6800 is a great one. Me being a ATI employee i will say this regardless. All Nvidia NV40 chips run at lower clock speeds then the X800 chips, yet compare neck and neck. This reminds me of the 9700pro vs the 5800 and the 9800XT vs the 5950. The Macarhitecture for the 9700 was amazing. Lower clock speeds and it still was competiting and beating Nvidia's best. Now the dime has flipped. The 6800 is clocked almost 100mhz slower yet trades blows with ATI's best. The era inwhich ATI pulled ahead of Nvidia was with the R300 and R350 parts. This generation is too close to call. Look at all the reviews for this. I am still wondering when ATI will release a product to compete with the 6600GT. That is the biggest selling segment next to budget cards. "whoever bought a NV40 must be crazy since it isn't WGF 1.0 compliant" To say that would also have to say that whomever bought a X800 chipset would be crazy as it's not PS3.0 or HDR compliant. How are you going to play future games when most will be HDR and PS3.0 compliant. Just like WGF1.0, this generation of chipsets will run those features at poor levels. The very same way the 6800 series will run HDR and PS3.0 FULLY CODED SOFTWARE SLOW.
You're right. Nvidia does not run in full precision. They can, but they won't f
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hairdie
at 9:55 15/6/2005
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console owners make me laugh.
its not the same has xbox 360 or ps3
it has far more pipelines and will be out shortly after ps3 making the pc the graphics king again
all u noobs are going on about the fact it wont be avaliable till next year well ive got news for u neither is the ps3 so that must mean that the ps3 is a joke too
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Anonymous
at 9:51 15/6/2005
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"Nvidia has never really competed on the same level as ATI since the release of the R300 core"at least nvidia has only a few products in their curent high end series: 6800le, 6800, 6800gt, 6800 ultra. ati however has 9 highend cards:
x800, x800pro, x800xt, x800xtpe, x800xl, x850pro, x850xt, x850xtpe and x800se. considering the x800xt, xtpe, xl and x850xt / xtpe are performing more or less the same (the difference is lower than 10fps in most benchmarks, and each of these cards hits the 100fps mark in many benchmarks. the x850 series was only launched for marketing reasons, and selling 5 (!) nearly equal cards in a price range from 300$ - 500$ is just retarded
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Anonymous
at 9:3 15/6/2005
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its leaked because they also made it for Xbox, basicly same core. Now they gonna tweak it for a bit and bring it to PC.. When longhorn launces ;)
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AJAX
at 8:53 15/6/2005
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Nvidia has never really competed on the same level as ATI since the release of the R300 core. X800XL is the new leader bumping off the 6800GT in the segment. The X850XTPE is the fastest single solution for the DX9 feature set. Nvidia still lacks full precision and Gamma correction alogrithm for AA. So you have two jobs at ATI, Tech, and Driver development, WOW!. I am just telling it as it is, that does not make me a fanboy. Currently ATI holds a higher market share, and dominates the mobile market. ATI and Samsung invented GDDR3 and are working together on GDDR4. ATI has also created a new fabrication process that uses cross wire interconnects. I mean ATI is paving the way. whoever bought a NV40 must be crazy since it isn't WGF 1.0 compliant. I just checked it is not called the 'New chip Development Department'. You reply to these post with amazing speed, shouldn't you be working, I mean having two jobs at ATI and still having time to respond to my posts every five mintues.
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pr06z3r
at 8:51 15/6/2005
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you gotta be kidding me, sounds just dreamt up by someone and nothing of the sort of a leak. sounds like fantasy and not guidelines.
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Simple Simon
at 7:51 15/6/2005
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"Special Projects Division"And for your information, new chip developemnt department is not called "Special Projects Division"
Just wanted you to know that. Maybe that's what you call it working for the CIA :p
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Simple Simon
at 7:20 15/6/2005
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"Considering that boards based on this chip are over a year away and that graphics manufacturers change their mind about specs almost daily, these should really be treated as guidelines, or better still, as a what if... news story"AJAX. You need to read the last paragraph of this article more closely. Also, do you remeber the intial specifications of the R300? I do. The actual specifications were totally different from the pre-released document specifications.
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Simple Simon
at 7:12 15/6/2005
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AJAX. I have not once proclaimed my biased for ATI or Nvidia in any of my posts. You are the one claiming biased. You make statements such as...
"I'm sure however Nvidia will compete with the R600, but not on the same level."
How do you know this? That was my question. HOW? A statement like that SHOWS bias. Nor did i ever insult you. This shows your childish age. A dead giveaway that your very young: Using language such as 'dumbass'
AJAX, from what i have been gathering with Megagames posting, you seem to be the butt of many jokes here. I can see why. I figured we could have a intellegent discussion. Not agreeing on certain on issues, but civil. It seems you cannot. When you get flustered you resort to name calling. You're a child. And i am so sure you work for the CIA. I assume that's a joke anyways. You want my full name. Give me your email and i will send it to you there. Do you want a copy of my pay stub too? lol. Just to add this. I ahve been using ATI cards since they brought out the Rage Fury Maxx. Are you even old enough to remember when that came out?
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Nvidian
at 6:45 15/6/2005
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I agree with Simple Simon... STFU U IDIOTS WHEN U KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THEM!
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AJAX
at 6:40 15/6/2005
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Simple Simon You sound like an Nvidiot. I really doubt you work for ATI, more like supermarket. It is fact that both Nvidia and ATI are planning a 64 pipeline part next year. Even if you work for ATI you will not know anything about the R600, unless you work for the Special Projects Division. I can find out wheather you work there just give me your full name. These specs are all over the internet. Currently the R500 GPU is beyond anything we have seen, so why is the R600 specs a big suprise. I work for the CIA, under a project called TREADSTONE.Dumbass!
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Simple Simon
at 6:29 15/6/2005
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If you beleive these specs like gospel, then you're a fool. You can bet your ass they will change before release date. The same way ALL specs change before release date. "I'm sure however Nvidia will compete with the R600, but not on the same level." AJAX, how do you know this? Do you work for ATI or Nvidia? Are you the amazing Kreskin? Guess what. I work for ATI. I live in Toronto just 5 mins from Markham Ontario where ATI is located. I work in tech support and driver developement. Been there for 3 years now. You have no idea what you are talking about. None. Nvidia will have a comparable part. ATI EXECS now this. Get a interview with Dave Orton and you will know this. They have the resources the same as ATI. I work for ATI and i am not a fanboy as you seem to be. Morover, i receive 60% retail for all ATI products that are offered to us employees. And i am still not a fanboy of ATI. Personally i like their GPUs SINCE THE 8500 DAYS. So i continued to use them even in those days when ATI drivers were poor. Now ATI has solid driver support. Considering i work in that department. lmao. But AJAX. You are spewing nonsense. Yes we know you love ATI. Yes we Know you favour them over Nvidia. That's all good. But please do not make predictions about future products when you have no idea how the indusrty works. Nvidia will be there neck and neck with ATI. This has been the same song and dance since the 8500 days.....
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Anonymous
at 6:9 15/6/2005
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@the console fanboy: u suck
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Anonymous
at 5:48 15/6/2005
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Are your computer building skills as good as your english laungage skills?
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Anonymous
at 5:37 15/6/2005
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ati doesnt't seem too confident atm, because the r520 is not even launched and they already come up with a better one, even though the r520 beats the g70 on paper. i was seriously thinkng about buying an r520 or g70, but now i'm quite sure i won't buy either of them...
at 0:50 15/6/2005
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at 0:13 15/6/2005
ok hows this for crapy! biled a new system its an Nforc3 asus Sk8n borad 940pin with an opteron 150, 1 gig kingston regesterd ram and a BFG 6800gt trun on any thing 3d the system wont even run it!?!?! so we test every thing put in a nvivdia 5600 plays just fine swap out the 6800gt for a new one at frys still wont work. go back and get an X850 xt pe the rig runs 3dmark se01 at 27654 ha nvida is weak and ATI rulz """""
well if you build yourself such a rig, you should at least be able to set it up properly ;)
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Anonymous
at 4:29 15/6/2005
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Jesus, get yourself an 360 or PS3 and save yourself the 3-400 dollars on a video card. Why pay 700+ bucks for a video card when I can get a console that will smoke a PC, in graphics playablity, price and game titles?Graphics war is out of hand. Who's stupid enuf to pay that much?
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nemesis
at 3:58 15/6/2005
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What that smell?....oh what!..it smells like shit cumin from nvidias pants :)
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f3rrari
at 3:10 15/6/2005
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yeah but pc's cost thousands more than consoles ;)
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Anonymous
at 1:26 15/6/2005
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It will be funny, months after the XBox 360's release, it will be overtaken by PC's technology and greatness. In one years time...you should be able to get, maybe...AMD 64bit 5400+ (dual-core)
1GB Gigabyte ATi R600 PCIe 16x
[USE YOUR IMAGINATION FOR THE REST] Don't agree...well just look at the stuff they are makin for these crappy consoles (XB360 and PS3), and for only a few hundred dollars!?!?!?!...they MUST have something up their sleeve. PC's are better than consoles.
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Anonymous
at 0:50 15/6/2005
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""""
at 0:13 15/6/2005
ok hows this for crapy! biled a new system its an Nforc3 asus Sk8n borad 940pin with an opteron 150, 1 gig kingston regesterd ram and a BFG 6800gt trun on any thing 3d the system wont even run it!?!?! so we test every thing put in a nvivdia 5600 plays just fine swap out the 6800gt for a new one at frys still wont work. go back and get an X850 xt pe the rig runs 3dmark se01 at 27654 ha nvida is weak and ATI rulz """""All i got from that is ur an idiot.
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Anonymous
at 0:13 15/6/2005
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ok hows this for crapy! biled a new system its an Nforc3 asus Sk8n borad 940pin with an opteron 150, 1 gig kingston regesterd ram and a BFG 6800gt trun on any thing 3d the system wont even run it!?!?! so we test every thing put in a nvivdia 5600 plays just fine swap out the 6800gt for a new one at frys still wont work. go back and get an X850 xt pe the rig runs 3dmark se01 at 27654 ha nvida is weak and ATI rulz
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soulraver
at 0:4 15/6/2005
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I think this is really why i dont come to this site ne more, i show up every few months to see if anything changed, and nope... i spend my money elsewhere, get drunk, have fun and good times, i get cards passed down to me by my friends, family, iv had 3dfx, ati, nvidia, i liked something about each of them, currently i have a 5800FX? and im happy with it, no laggy games or anything *so far* and honestly i can tell you my neighbor has a 9800 he just bought, its fast, but every game he plays it has some warped textures or something, and on BF2 demo there is holes in the ground of the map ??? as with many other games, tried updating drives and put his card in my computer nothing worked... dont know what is up with that but im happy with nvidia at the moment, might change soon, who knows
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Anonymous
at 23:45 14/6/2005
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bah. a joke is that they release new cards so frequently, whilst it takes a wealth of time for prices to drop to a reasonable level for the average user.
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Anonymous
at 23:41 14/6/2005
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omega drivers hopefully soon...
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Anonymous
at 23:40 14/6/2005
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ppl you will always change sides as you will buy what you can afford that offers the highest performance and stability to your budget.
btw you americans are lucky... actually anyone not in australia is lucky (besides nz), because everything is cheaper, you name it its cheaper.
i pay $70 aus for 512k/128k adsl unlimited (no shaping), you guys could get proberly like 3-4mb/s for that price using a currency converter.
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Anonymous
at 23:17 14/6/2005
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Im happy with my vanilla 6600.Runs everything smooth without AA.Best bang for the buck.
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Anonymous
at 22:41 14/6/2005
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The new graphic card isn't out until 2006. What a joke.
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Anonymous
at 22:16 14/6/2005
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to shanh hai - probably beaucse they have a year and a half to develop the card so it can hold 64 pipelines, like u said there struggling with the 32 pipelines for the new card, thats why it said this card wouldnt be out to at least december 2006!
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Shanh Hai
at 20:34 14/6/2005
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I find this totally incorrect, or atleast someparts. I really doubt that there will be that many pipelines, if they are capable of that many, why has the R520 not got as many as that? especially if the next card will have that many. Atleast the R520 could have 48 or so but its struggling to get 32 without problems at the moment, let alone 64...
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Anonymous
at 19:10 14/6/2005
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omg another story to start the i love ATI and i love nvidia knobs ranting about this and that etc etc etc. Boring already! get a life you fvcking muppets.
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AJAX
at 19:3 14/6/2005
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Yes I was right about the specs on the R600, it is basically a XBOX 360 GPU (R500) TWEAKED to shit. ATI might throw in embedded ram of some sort, and could also go with GDDR 4 if samsungs yields are good. 64 pipelines are incredible but believable, I wonder how many shader engines it will have. I'm sure however Nvidia will compete with the R600, but not on the same level. ATI has hired a team of developers specifically for the R600 project. AMD and Intel are switching to 65nm soon too. The specs are awsome but the best thing about the R600 is the UNIFIED Shader pipeline.
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Anonymous
at 17:36 14/6/2005
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you sound like ati fanboys did a little over a year ago
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Anonymous
at 17:11 14/6/2005
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I wonder where all these people get their crap from. ATI are shit and overated. Specs mean quite little if real performance suffers. And people should stop using arficial benchmarking programs like 3d marks cuase there is no way that the graphics card will peform any near the standard in real games. And also, if you are on a low end system (before I got my new computer) getting 10 frames/second renders teh game almost unplayble however if you really think about it, 10 frames a second should still be pretty playable. So, you guys can spend your 400+ dollars on something that is going to get outdated in 6 months, that probably does not imporve performance by much, and I can spend my money on other stuff or save my money for a card that actually works well.
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Anonymous
at 17:5 14/6/2005
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Lol @ Nvidia, be scared!
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Anonymous
at 16:53 14/6/2005
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i personally prefer ati, but thats only because i've had better experiance with them, and there vpu recover is neat, never seen it work before, but i bought san andreas, and its crashed 3 times, each time vpu recover kicked in, and the game would run fine, didn't even have to close it, just alt tab when it crashes, vpu recover pops up saying do u wish to send a error report to ati, then alt tab back to game and its working, if u had an nvidia card it would of blue screened, as u would tell from any gta forum
...at the end of the day, if everyone used direct x 100% correct, and all hardware manufactures made 100% directx functional stable video cards, there shouldn't need to be any updates for drivers apart to optimize, nothing should crash weather it ati or nvidia, or even old faithful matrox! or s3, or intel, or anyone else you can think of!
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Anonymous
at 16:43 14/6/2005
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"Ati is really desperate to let fake news get leaked, Nvidia has them scared, and with good reason, I admit that I was once an Atidiot, but I saw the light, now I used Nvidia, and my gaming rig has never been happier!"kinda strange since 1) the r520 specs are true, and it will outperform nvidia, and might i say, very easily outperformaning them, and i guarentee they arent scared one bit. 2) ATi has been better than nvidia since the 9700 pro 3) nvidia drivers suck *ss 4) ATi didn't leak these, and they are beyond rumorous. the chip itself prolly hasnt even began being designed, so they are prolly guidelines for what they want. I used to be an nvidiot, got an ATi card and i havent had a problem, my friend got an nvidia card, and WOW problems
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Anonymous
at 16:41 14/6/2005
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to Anonymous at 16:37 saying he has seen teh light and is not anymore a Atidiot and changed to teh other side, Ngaydia.Go see an excorcist.
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Anonymous
at 16:37 14/6/2005
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Wow .... Im going to get a Sexy Rage 128 Pro (platinum edition)
Its specs:-250 Million cycles per second of RAMDAC -Amazing .000103KHz speeds -and .00130 G/Flops for memory. This card is unbelievable. Its very cheap and the specs speak for itself when compared to the crappy r900 or whatever ati has these days
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Anonymous
at 16:37 14/6/2005
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Ati is really desperate to let fake news get leaked, Nvidia has them scared, and with good reason, I admit that I was once an Atidiot, but I saw the light, now I used Nvidia, and my gaming rig has never been happier!
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Anonymous
at 15:36 14/6/2005
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holy sh*t AJAX was right in that other forum...this is awsome...i want one sooooo bad
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Anonymous
at 15:27 14/6/2005
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first post dont mean shyte
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Anonymous
at 15:26 14/6/2005
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FIRST POST U WANKERS
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