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Doom 3 Performance - ATI Fights Back

Monday July 26, 2004 post a comment: 81 total

Name: Email: Comments: Input text above here     Clueless at 12:44 13/8/2004 Wtf am i reading here? I come here to find out what i need to do to run cool games like doom3 and other new games down the road on my crappy ciciero computer with a Nividia tnt graphics card and 256 megs and all i read is pussyasses arguing. Grow up fags!!! (and i mean all u tits with the useless info. to the peeps who know thier shit. What do i need to aquire to play cool games?????????? without getting bum-jabbed by computer salesmen. zolookas at 5:16 10/8/2004 it is working beter now Anonymous at 5:15 10/8/2004 yes doom3 is boring. when i downloaded latest nVidia drivers from www.nvidia.com game game is running with no lags :) zolookas at 4:36 10/8/2004 I have nvida FX5600 256mb and doom3 seem vorking almost fine. No serious lag's at 1024x768, high quality. Now i am downloading new nvidia drivers. Maybe doom3 will work better. Anonymous at 11:28 3/8/2004 in your face! Anonymous at 9:54 3/8/2004 the story in HL1 sucked. Anonymous at 8:41 3/8/2004 Actually i just got DOOM3 and it looks wicked! However this game is getting boring real fast as the story line and game play is the same for the past hour. HL2 hopefully will have a better story line like it had with HL1 blad3 at 0:0 1/8/2004 ati is so owned or should i say, ati is doom3d. go play your lame hl2 lol! Anonymous at 23:35 31/7/2004 Based on Doom 3 results, who would ever bother to buy an ATI card for at least the next 3 months? Undoubtedly, Doom 3 is going to kick ass especially with Nvidia. Whilst ATI appear to pour infinite resources into Half Life 2 (for little effect, seemingly), why didn’t they spend more time making sure they didn’t suck at Doom 3, or even sorting out the appalling image quality that they pump out in Splinter Cell: Pandora Tomorrow? ATI quite rightly pointed out to the press, last week, that their performance in Doom 3 isn’t up to scratch yet which will guarantee that their sales will take a disproportionate hit over the next couple of months. Gabe Newell looks like a bit of a tit, now, for proclaiming that Nvidia was just not fast enough to run HL2. Sure, lots of ATI money might have swung his way, but by tying HL2 to ATI, he’s now ignored the fact that the new Nvidia 6 series architecture now kicks some ass and will surely put in an amazing performance. As in OGL driver, ATI wants to try to improve its Open GL performance. It is aware of the fact that Nvidia rules the Open GL market especially the most significant part of this market, workstations. ATI knows it has to do something about its Fire GL drivers and that Nvidia is way ahead. ATI has to make a radical move and to finally try to match Nvidia in this market as games like Doom 3 are using this API will certainly benefit from this new driver. boomer at 23:35 31/7/2004 doom3>any gfx card NotaFanboy at 15:3 31/7/2004 haha! i feel bad to those idiots that are actually going to upgrade for these kinds of games... i smell daikatana's reincarnation with this game... City of Dis at 7:12 31/7/2004 Yeah, i suppose it contradicts nvidias pr hype, but when playing you cant really notice any difference, if anything the better frame rates will make the game more enjoyable for lower end 68 users. Thing is if nvidia does something underhanded, ATi shouldent whine about it, they should do it too. Not many poeple care about the honour of a company. Well i dont neways. I'm purely nvidia fan because the first card i owned was a TNT 2 :p I have tried the doom3 beta, and it doesnt run too well on my 9000. In the retail version they should have graphics options so i wont have to run it on full! Anonymous at 7:1 31/7/2004 err, no ui think quickview is only an ie plugin isnt it? Anonymous at 1:51 31/7/2004 Has anyone other than me been to the d3 web page to look at the movie; Cancelled viewing it when you find out u need quick view. Then found out that there is an icon for quick view in the system tray? If u have then the only way to get it off the machine according to apple is to download the full viewer; and then uninstall it. What a pain in the butt. As I did not agree to install it and because u could see this as intrusive and aggressive marketing. Does anyone think their could be a case to sue Apple. Please post any ideas about possible grounds to sue them on; and if there could be any compensation for their actions? Anonymous at 23:11 30/7/2004 well at 11:18 30/7/2004 What the hell are you smoking, they sold out to Vavle, or Valve sold out to ATI, either one, you get my point. Anonymous at 19:0 30/7/2004 right ati did not by their way in to fame, they bought the gay ass half life franchise. Anonymous at 17:10 30/7/2004 3d wars sucks arse the frame rate battle was good but now its just gettin gay.......... why don't they just go join the console war or something maybe dev's shouhld start makin two versions of there games? one for ati one for NV? yes its gay but it looks like thats were we are heading. Anonymous at 15:36 30/7/2004 3dfx went bankrupt and nividi bought them out... what are you talking about??? voodoo 6??? ok back in the real world, your voodoo 5 has no direct x 9 abilities... not even enough power to even beat out a Geforce 4 ti 4200... so again what are you talking about. plus it took them almost 3 years to come out with a new driver (guru3d.com) that did fix a few problems, but i guess you can wait forever for it to fix doom 3 and hl2 problems... shutit at 12:34 30/7/2004 you hmongs well at 11:18 30/7/2004 atleast ati did not haveto buy they way into fame Anonymous at 10:13 30/7/2004 What about 3dFx, Voodoos!!!!! Hell yea thats the awesome stuff right there. You losers think that your x800 xt super cards are cool, but my Voodoo 5 would kill all your cards instantly, using its Voodoo magic. Its framerate is over 200. So you just wait until the Voodoo 6 comes out and be amazed at the awesomeness that it rocks. You all worry about playing new games like Doom 3(which my Voodoo 5 was used as a tester in the Doom 3 labs and passed), you should worry about other games like Hardball 5 and the Dig. Anonymous at 8:40 30/7/2004 What card did you have before changing? A FX card? lol Anonymous at 7:41 30/7/2004 thank god i changed to nvidia Anonymous at 22:40 29/7/2004 I just pre ordered my DOom3 from EBGAMES sotes and they gave me the cute PINKY DEMON Figure. I m happy i choose Asus Geforce FX 5950 bcuz doom3 will run better on nVIDIA cards :). way to do ID SOFTWARE. Anonymous at 15:44 29/7/2004 plsu ati is a bunch of lying scumbags, they think the 9800 r 2x AGP compatible...pfft me mate tried what a dumbass Anonymous at 15:43 29/7/2004 m0zes, i dont blame ya, me mate fried his x800pro and his comp has so many fans i lost count and he uses a dual PSU coolermaster case, wif a 450 and a 630watt psu's. and u wanna know what the problem turned out 2 b? the motherboard. try replacin that, ohh also me mate hates his new x800 coz he now looks like a hippy when playin farcry with rainbows. f**kin ati. Anonymous at 15:28 29/7/2004 heck, most games on the market don't even take advantage of AGP 4x or 8x so really, I don't see no point in PCI-E at this moment. Anonymous at 7:3 29/7/2004 3dc is not just a "uncompressed texture" it is so much more... It is the first compression technique optimized to work with normal maps, which allow fine per-pixel control over how light reflects from a textured surface. With up to 4:1 compression possible, this means game designers can now include up to 4x the detail without changing the amount of graphics memory required and without impacting performance. now this will include skins, walls, sky and everything you see... it will improved detail and lighting effect to the next level. have you ever played doom or half life and looked at the texture of a door or wall. it might of been good back then but it sucks right now. this will add more details but with less of a performance hit. now the question you need to ask will there be enough games using it??? if not then shader 3.0 will be a better investment. Anonymous at 6:45 29/7/2004 I've had bad myself my Digital monitor i had to return 2-3 times because of several bad pixels.(pinkish ugly pixels of all things it could of been any colour but.. PINK!?! :( ) Also ps3.0 was/is a complete waste it was dished long ago since next to no games use it or wanted to. Ati made the right choice since farcry was still playable with a Radeon 9800 or better even than nvidia cards of the time. Anonymous at 6:25 29/7/2004 "if you look more carefully the 5950 does better than 9800 on high setting" Not with Anti-Alaising on it does. And you must compare the 9800XT to the 5950. And by all accounts, the 5950 does not stack up. The FX line was a absolute failure. The6800 series on the other hand is excellant. Anonymous at 6:21 29/7/2004 "if ati cards are so much better why dont they have ps3.0 and dx9c?" Because it's a waste of time as seen so far. Only 1 game uses it and that won't change until 2005 when ATI releases the R500 that will support it. And then you will also see the NV50. ATI saved 60+ million transistors in doing so. Sinisterambo at 4:50 29/7/2004 If they can't implement 3Dc into Doom 3 (or can they?) then what about the engine's other games further down the line? Anonymous at 22:41 28/7/2004 if you look more carefully the 5950 does better than 9800 on high setting m0zes at 19:42 28/7/2004 one thing to consider though 19:23 is that no graphics card will beable to run d3 at max settings without a 512 mb graphics card. Anonymous at 19:23 28/7/2004 continue... the best visuals of shader 3.0 compared the the gained texture surface of 3dc... 3dc will have more of a visual impact on the whole game than shader 3.0) but if not enough games use it then shader 3.0 will win. Anonymous at 19:21 28/7/2004 what is everyone talking about??? the first doom 3 beta demo showed that the fx 5800 was faster than the 9800 pro... now we know that this is not true and infact the fx line can not run shader 2.0 with out a huge performance hit. all of these demo programs are set up to use the newest newest nividia drivers, now if we wait until the game is out we will see ati make a driver update for doom 3 that will change things (nividia in turn will do the same for hl2... because i know that the ati card will be better from the beginning as well). so both cards are good... the drivers just need to be updated to run games that were made for the other video card company. this is something to think about if you are looking to buy a new video card. ati x800 (or better) needs a power full cpu to run it at full power (AMD 64 to a P4 extreme edition) with every web site the best ati card with an AMD 64 3400 + cpu (set at a high iq) will out perform the 6800 (same card level... E.G. 6800 GT to X800 pro) now does that mean you should buy an ati... no... if you do not plan to buy a brand new motherboard cpu and just want to add it to your good AMD or P4 (2000 to 3000 level CPU)system, then buy a 6800. you will get better performance out of it than with any ati model now what is the fastest card???(even if you look at a doom 3 machine (set at a high iq)) it would be an AMD FX-53 with an ATI X800 XT-PE video card. but who has the money for it... for us average high end user a 6800 will do fine and be better, but if we already have those next gen cpu then get ATI. http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjMyLDI= p.s. iq = AA and AF. the higher the multiplier the better the visual quality both companies went with different tech. nividia does shader 3.0 and ATI does 3Dc. both will gain more performance but what is better??? i believe that 3dc will be better in the long run (if you still own a 2000 to 3000 cpu) it will increase performance more than shader 3.0 (with Anonymous at 18:50 28/7/2004 stfu me rumple foreskin, you can take your rumpled up forskin and jam it up you boy friends ass. It's not a mobo problem i'm running an abit ic7-g and its stable. My bios setup is perfect, and i had my vendor check it when i recieved my 3rd card just to make sure. Every card has had exactly the same problem, corrupt memory. Hopefully it won't happen again. Thorn the chances are slim, but then again if it was going to happen to someone it would happen to me. Also thorn you are right that PCI-E needs a bit of time to mature, but we will also need some software to take advantage of the extra bandwidth available. One other thing to compare the current PCI-E cards with their AGP siblings is not really fair. You are not really comparing how good the cards are, but the fact that PCI E system will be equipped with up to DDR2 1066 memory, higher memory bandwidths and better processors. Anonymous at 18:36 28/7/2004 it is not likely but still possible. Rumple Foreskin at 17:6 28/7/2004 stfu m0zes. Don't come here and bitch cause you don't know f**k all about computers. Heat is obviously not the problem, you probably have shitty motherboard or you don't know how to set up your bios. Man, you are such a loser in life. Thorn at 16:47 28/7/2004 Anonymouse at 1:44, I am talking about future PCI-E cards, ones that take full advantage of PCI-E's power, the new cards might work on PCI-E systems but the drivers and technology hasn't even begun to catch up with it. If you don't believe me just wait and look at the benchmarks of the current cards compared to a year down the track. Thorn at 16:37 28/7/2004 Mozes: That is the weirdest thing I have heard of, I work in the industry and I haven't seen anyone needing 4 cards unless they have a major hardware problem like a motherboard issue, the chances of you getting 4 faulty cards in a row is pretty slim! Anonymous at 15:30 28/7/2004 if you knew that doom3 was not supporting 3dc and whatever full precision then why were you expecting to win this "race". if you knew all this then you would not be posting things like ati will be better...blah blah blah. as soon as benchmarks are out and official you start bitching this and that. just take it like a man when the fx was worse than 9800 we said yes only in dx9 not open gl, or whatever, but this was fair and square why cant you pussies take this defeat like a man. if nvidia did pay id, good for them you had your chance ati, because of a dumb f**k who you employ leaks the damn thing all over the place just f**ked it up for you. that is a slap on the wrist for f**king it up. i dont care if nvidia and doom3 use pp fp what ever. the game looks fine i dont really care for something i wont notice a differnce on. its like complaining about your eyes not being able to pick up ultra violet from the sun. does it bother you, you can still see everyting, who cares. m0zes at 15:30 28/7/2004 for all you idiots that keep bagging me out for frying my 9800xt lissen up, i'm running my hardware in a quality antec case with an antec truepower 550watt psu, with 2x 80mm extraction fans, and 3x 80mm intakes. The inside of my case is normally 24-30 degress celcius. I don't over clock any of my system, and damn right i have the right to be pissed of. The vendor tells me that i'm just un lucky and that he's never seen anything like it. But hay i suppose that i'm lucky in one respect i have recieved 4 cards for the price of 1. Lets hope this current card is finally stable. Anonymous at 15:21 28/7/2004 20 bucks says all of these people are ati employees who are from "team radeon"(what a cute name), they are posting here disguised as normal non ati employees to get shit off their chest and brain wash you. if ati cards are so much better why dont they have ps3.0 and dx9c? Anonymous at 6:6 28/7/2004 http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=17495 Good to hear. Like a few people have said. Would love to see the game support 3Dc texture compression. John, you listening? Or does all those greenbacks from Nvidia still stuck in your ears.... Pooyan at 5:19 28/7/2004 "Nvidia encouraged Crytek to use partial precision in the shaders wherever possible. This means that many of the shaders will run in 16-bit precision, not the 32-bit precision (a requirement of SM3.0) that they are touting to the press. Ironically, while promoting the 32-bit precision of SM3.0 as a "must have", Nvidia is asking developers to use less precision than was available in SM1.0 - that is, all the way back in DirectX8! Even more ironically, ATI hardware will run most of the FarCry shaders more accurately (ATI hardware runs all shaders in 24-bit precision). Microsoft, the owner of DirectX, defines 24-bit and greater as "full precision" and 16-bit as "partial precision", Nvidia has claimed that ATI paid Crytek to delay the patch and include ATI features (the figure mentioned was $500k!)." So there you have it, some of the facts, and some rumours.... nonetheless Crytek has committed to delivering 3Dc support in patch v1.3, which will provide higher detail images, or free up memory with better compression than traditional normal map compression options. FarCry is a great example of a next generation title that uses normal maps extensively. When the "final" patch arrives, we will be giving it a good going over and posting indepth results." http://www.driverheaven.net/showthread.php?threadid=51427&s= Good read. Just when you thought Nvidia ws going to use FP32 exclusively. They are still fudging with lower percision and partial shaders. Bad boy Nvidia. Bad. Looking to see FrCry support 3Dc in it's game. Oh the war is looking good. Hopefully the prices will lower and DOOM3 will support 3dc especially when the 512 cards come out. That will give the game huge performance increases. WON'T HOLD MY BREATH THOUGH. ;) Anonymous at 5:10 28/7/2004 "Heh, nvidia running at pp (which i dont even know for sure if it does) wont if barely affect graphics detail. Image quality is just as good as the radeons. Not running at full presition winging is stupid. If it gives ATi more frames they should do it too." City, the issue here is Nvidia has been pushing the fact that the NV40 line runs at FP32 all the time(The required specifications of PS3.0!) So much so, their PR campaign has put everything into that fact. Not too mention 60 million extra transistors. Now Nvidia is requesting certain game developers to create their games to run in FP16 not FP32! One such company is the maker of FarCry. CryTek. This is the very reason why i have lost confidence in Nvidia 3 years ago. And with the bullshit deal with Creative Labs they made also. This just adds to it. The real sad part about the Partial percision and partial shader nonesense is the fact that when Nvidia does this, their NV40 cards no longer run the required Floating point for EITHER PS2.0 or PS3.0. ATI cards run FP24 all the time. Not FP16. And Crytek is releasing patch 1.3 that will fully support 3Dc texture compression. Which inturn will speed the game up considerably. Even more so at higher resolutions and with the must AA and Fsaa on. Still waiting to see if John Carmack alows 3dc to be used for DOOM3. Likely not to happen since Nvidia paid millions to help develop the game. 3Dc would increase the speed of that game by good margins. Especially since 512Meg cards can be used inconjunction with compressed textures. "Heh, nvidia running at pp (which i dont even know for sure if it does) wont if barely affect graphics detail. Image quality is just as good as the radeons. Not running at full presition winging is stupid. If it gives ATi more frames they should do it too." http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=17495 Anonymous at 3:43 28/7/2004 I doubt the drivers will do 'that' much it's different hardware. 6800 series was made with D3 in mind and posibly unreal3 so Ati have alot of hard work ahead of them. I can sergest you get a better computer fan or set the 9800xt card to x4 it's really nothing maybe 3-4fps and may stop your computer from overheating. Wyatt at 2:59 28/7/2004 "funny - nvidia said the same thin when ati cashed in with hl2" At least there is a release date Within a week of time. HL2 hasn't been completed yet nor launched GOLD. Anonymous at 2:5 28/7/2004 "In response to an enquiry by Team Radeon, ATIs Chris Hook has suggested that since the game has not been officially released yet, we shouldn't rush to any conclusions " funny - nvidia said the same thin when ati cashed in with hl2 City of Dis at 1:53 28/7/2004 Heh, nvidia running at pp (which i dont even know for sure if it does) wont if barely affect graphics detail. Image quality is just as good as the radeons. Not running at full presition winging is stupid. If it gives ATi more frames they should do it too. Anonymous at 1:49 28/7/2004 And, in response to your comment about the guy who fries his cards all the time, he has every right to complain if what he says is true. Noone should HAVE to have a clock changer utility to tone the clocks down. I'm not saying that hes not an idiot that built his comp in an oven with only one fan (which he might well be), but if his cards fail like he says i think he has every right to be pissed off. FYI, I have a 9800 Pro flashed and clocked >XT and I couldnt be happier with it. My last card was a FX5200, and at the time that suited me fine too, because i couldnt afford faster. All the stupid brand wars don't mean shit as long as you get a price/performance ratio that works for you. Anonymous at 1:44 28/7/2004 Thorn, you are an idiot. The latest cards ARE available as PCI-E. The fact that they are PCI-E rather than AGP really means nothing anyway.... Wheres the performance benefit? I dont see one that justifies it. Sure, in a year's time all of the bling bling cards will be PCI-E, but thats irrelevant. They'd still blow your nuts off in an AGP 8x slot Thorn at 1:6 28/7/2004 Bugger the current top of the line cards anyhow, has everyone forgot about PCI-E? Wait untill the next generation of PCI-E cards arrive they will blow the current cards out of the water! Not only that I don't understand why people would fork out so much money for an extra 10-20 FPS? Trust me guys I have been upgrading for 15 years, and I do it for a living, wait a little, then get the PCI-E card, that is going to be the greatest performance revolution of the modern era ! Thorn at 1:2 28/7/2004 Mozes, you must have a $hit computer if your 9800 XT has died 4 times, I have had my 9800 XT for 6 months, overclock it all of the time and it has never died, if I start gettin pauses or graphics corruption I just lower the speed slightly. IF you keep on playin when this happens, that is how you wreck cards, and don't think that Nvidia cards are any different! m0zes at 0:34 28/7/2004 hey smarter than, what's with the ati will come out on top spiel. I couldn’t give a rats 1mm balls about nvidia or ati. I have owned all of ati’s high end products since the 9700 pro, and it’s not because I love ati or something. Infact I hate ati every single ati card that I have ever owned has been faulty and died, they were still covered under warranty but it’s the inconvenience that pisses me of. Take my 9800 xt it has died 4 times and I didn’t over clock it, and it is very well cooled, what kind of unstable crap are these guys making. The problem is that it was the quickest crap and that gets me every time. As for the latest generation of cards it is way to early to speculate, I mean if nvidia successfully implements SLI then ati are well and truly up shit creek with out a paddle. But who knows and it will be a while before the real victor emerges from all the smoke, slander to take the crown on this seasons 3d war. Anonymous at 0:28 28/7/2004 simon, hmm what a good name for a dumbass. it doesnt matter whos precision ati uses what matters are the benchmarks, that is what talks. untill ati can tweak their drivers so they smudge and cheat again nvidia remains a winner. there is still no excuse for a 6800gt to do better than a x800pe. am i clear on this? there is also no excuse for x800s not to support ps3 and dx9c. you are after all investing 500 bucks for the damn card dont you want it to last you a long time? its like buying a new car with everything exccept airconditioning. why not get the most out of your(i hope) hard earned cash. Anonymous at 0:23 28/7/2004 dont bitch about fanboys because you hl2 fagboyz bash the doom articles all the time. remember how ati was caught cheating in most cases with full precision? Simon at 0:8 28/7/2004 Out come the fanboys. If u read correctly u will see Nvidia uses partial precision where ATI has vowed to only use Full precision. This may not cause a change of image qualrty on certain dark games but can produce change on other titles. Anyway why we all complaining it's V. playable on both cards ^o^ Anonymous at 21:31 27/7/2004 Nvidia and ATI are both good.It's all about prefence. If you want a ATI then get a ATI or if you want a Nvidia then get a Nvidia so shut up and don't say so and so sucks. Really, who gives a f**k. Anonymous at 20:5 27/7/2004 Who said this isnt just propaganda? Smarter than you at 20:4 27/7/2004 What I want to see is some tests comparing games with ati's 3dc to those same games with the feature diabled. Probably not doom 3 since Carmack is whipped by nvidia, but probably farcry and later on half-life 2. Right now it's still pretty hard to decide which card is the best but I'm thinking ATI will come out in the end. Anonymous at 19:46 27/7/2004 and trying to use a ugly looking red head with big boobs as a marketing strategy is really low. Anonymous at 17:0 27/7/2004 right i forget how ati smudges Captain Dark Meat at 15:33 27/7/2004 LISTEN and listen well, Nvidia does not use full percision only partial, which is why they are a few frames faster, while on the other ATI cards push full pp all the time. Anonymous at 13:49 27/7/2004 just buy cards from evga they have a step up program so if you buy a gfx in 90 days a better one comes out you can trade that one in and pay the difference. Anonymous at 13:46 27/7/2004 omg let me guess ati will "release new drivers", i guess they did not have time to "tweak" these drivers. both companies had no access to the doom demo, both were asked to bring their latest cards and drivers, why can't ati just accept the fact that they lost to nvidia's mid range card. Anonymous at 13:36 27/7/2004 wait a sec, wasnt the ati fanboyz qouting articles from hardocp bout how good ati is?? now they say they suck d**k?? christ ppl need to stick 2 what they have the included the nvidiots 2. when i see some HL2 benchmarks then ill make up my mind on what card to get Anonymous at 13:25 27/7/2004 to the guy spent £400 on a 9800 pro. you should do what i do. spend like you did and get a top range card, then when a new 1 comes out sell your older one before it loses its value to fund the newest one out. it will cost you about £50 on top but you dont end up with an outdated card. i got 9800xt for £330 and have just sold it for £260 on ebay and that money went to my x800 pro which i have now. soon this will be sold on as in 2 months i am getting the x800xt pe. Anonymous at 12:49 27/7/2004 no soulraver see your the retard. all the people that know almost anything past how to use a computer doesnt like nvidia. the huge bandwagon of 'gamers' that started up in the last year are all idiots that dont know what they are putting into their computer. and anyways this game is probly just a, hmm I'll call it demo, for their game engine so they can sell he engine to other companys and make tons of money thet way. soulraver at 12:25 27/7/2004 lol ppl like nvidia h8r amuze me, they dont know anything about computers, and the come up on here saying this sucks and that sucks cuz its not agreeing with what they have in their computers Anonymous at 12:3 27/7/2004 dammit why the hell cant i post? Anonymous at 12:2 27/7/2004 click download for the links. anyway i got x800 pro so i hope ati can do some good work with their drivers and get some more performance in doom3. one thing i cant stand is shitty framerates in my games. nvidia h8r at 11:48 27/7/2004 lol ati will own nvidia in EVERYTHING o and hardocp suck rook Anonymous at 10:59 27/7/2004 will this game work on my Digimon?. Doom3? at 10:9 27/7/2004 better!!! Anonymous at 9:35 27/7/2004 yeah right....games NEVER increase in performance as quoted in the readme.txt's - either the games work - or they fall over. ATI should not have to re-write the Open-GL code to get Doom3 working well, they should have had the Open-GL support right from the start. Its not like its a new format that nobody knows about. I spent almost £400 on a 9800 pro 256 and I dont expect to loose out just coz ATI hedges their bets on the good games supporting Direct 3D instead of Open-GL Sinisterambo at 9:25 27/7/2004 Yeah course it'll get better with driver updates Sinisterambo at 9:24 27/7/2004 Yeah course it'll get better with driver updates. Anonymous at 15:45 26/7/2004 hehe second comment! yay..havent read it yet.. now i will Anonymous at 15:22 26/7/2004 link to the article?